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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Dec 21, 2021 5:27:36 GMT -5
It really surprises me that someone like Andre the giant is not locked down for a retro figure. I guess they are just taking this line as it comes but still it shocks me that independent toymakers can make a licensed figure in the same format WWE is currently marketing with one of the most iconic personalities of all time. His Hasbro figure was pretty perfect and captures his most iconic look, so it’s not an easy one to top, the way a ring gear Piper is. I think Andre would be much more likely if Big Show was still around, as there’d be two uses to do that body mold then. Although they may already have the mold made from when Andre was going to come with the ring.
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Post by RedDevil on Dec 21, 2021 7:45:13 GMT -5
Assuming we're looking at a very best case scenario of 16 figures a year max during this new run (4 sets of 4, like the last couple of years of the initial run) then Andre is way down on my list. He has looks that would be fun to explore in the fullness of time, but we already have his default look in a figure that is still awesome 30 years later - I'm happy to concentrate on other names, at least in the short-term.
I suppose if they wanted to return to the unofficial WrestleMania I theme of this upcoming set in the future then an Andre-Big John Studd-Bobby Heenan-plus another (Fink maybe?) set could work.
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Dec 21, 2021 12:21:55 GMT -5
It really surprises me that someone like Andre the giant is not locked down for a retro figure. I guess they are just taking this line as it comes but still it shocks me that independent toymakers can make a licensed figure in the same format WWE is currently marketing with one of the most iconic personalities of all time. His Hasbro figure was pretty perfect and captures his most iconic look, so it’s not an easy one to top, the way a ring gear Piper is. I think Andre would be much more likely if Big Show was still around, as there’d be two uses to do that body mold then. Although they may already have the mold made from when Andre was going to come with the ring. What’s this about Andre coming with the ring!!
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Post by Zincdust on Dec 21, 2021 15:03:17 GMT -5
Looks as if ZST is making a Hasbro-styled Andre figure... Not sure if there would be a conflict or not (IF Mattel wanted to make one).
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Post by brad on Dec 21, 2021 15:55:15 GMT -5
curious if this event theme continues, and not so certain I'm a fan of it. I'd prefer they stick between 1989-95, but I guess we'll see. Mean Gene and Mr. T do seem like honest efforts to get us special figs that will go good with some of the old official ones.
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Post by newgenandy on Dec 21, 2021 18:37:29 GMT -5
Assuming we're looking at a very best case scenario of 16 figures a year max during this new run (4 sets of 4, like the last couple of years of the initial run) then Andre is way down on my list. He has looks that would be fun to explore in the fullness of time, but we already have his default look in a figure that is still awesome 30 years later - I'm happy to concentrate on other names, at least in the short-term. I suppose if they wanted to return to the unofficial WrestleMania I theme of this upcoming set in the future then an Andre-Big John Studd-Bobby Heenan-plus another (Fink maybe?) set could work. I’d agree that being best case Realistically I can see maybe 2 sets x 4 figures. Maybe an early new year release and around comic con in July. Essentially 2 a year 6 monthly I don’t think it’d be worth their while doing 1 set a year and more than 2 might be punching above weight. There’s a lot of other options now on the market for this style of figure. I don’t want to be overly critical but this should be the easiest home run to do but mattel have made the retros harder than they need to be. Essentially do figures who should’ve / could’ve had a hasbro but didn’t and are currently under license, after that do those who had s a hasbro but could be improved and are under license, then consider doing those just outside the end of the hasbro license snd just missed out. There’s a few years worth of figures easy
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Post by hbkjason on Dec 22, 2021 7:46:33 GMT -5
I am going to try and get these when they come out and I would love to get them, but at the same time I can live without them. I really thought that Mattel were going to make it so fans who wanted these could get them, but I'm not too confident to be honest with you.
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Post by @WWERetroStars on Dec 22, 2021 8:55:19 GMT -5
I am going to try and get these when they come out and I would love to get them, but at the same time I can live without them. I really thought that Mattel were going to make it so fans who wanted these could get them, but I'm not too confident to be honest with you. Will be incredibly disappointed if these are a nightmare to get. Have to imagine some level of planning went into coming up with the right supply vs demand quantities. Said it a million times before. Retros are a blip on Mattel’s radar when it comes to the financials tied to the line. Probably in the same ballpark as Zombies and the girl’s Superstars line. At this point, it’s a goodwill gesture and a way to pull back in older collectors.
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Post by loosecannon on Dec 22, 2021 10:46:02 GMT -5
Assuming we're looking at a very best case scenario of 16 figures a year max during this new run (4 sets of 4, like the last couple of years of the initial run) then Andre is way down on my list. He has looks that would be fun to explore in the fullness of time, but we already have his default look in a figure that is still awesome 30 years later - I'm happy to concentrate on other names, at least in the short-term. I suppose if they wanted to return to the unofficial WrestleMania I theme of this upcoming set in the future then an Andre-Big John Studd-Bobby Heenan-plus another (Fink maybe?) set could work. I’d agree that being best case Realistically I can see maybe 2 sets x 4 figures. Maybe an early new year release and around comic con in July. Essentially 2 a year 6 monthly I don’t think it’d be worth their while doing 1 set a year and more than 2 might be punching above weight. There’s a lot of other options now on the market for this style of figure. I don’t want to be overly critical but this should be the easiest home run to do but mattel have made the retros harder than they need to be. Essentially do figures who should’ve / could’ve had a hasbro but didn’t and are currently under license, after that do those who had s a hasbro but could be improved and are under license, then consider doing those just outside the end of the hasbro license snd just missed out. There’s a few years worth of figures easy Just for fun, who are the guys currently under license that "could of" had a Hasbro? I guess we stop at 1995? Lawler, Volkuff (assuming he's still signed), Studd, Mabel, Roadie, Powers of Pain Warlord (but without Barbarian it's kind of useless), The Goon, (we're scraping the bottom though). My mind is blank now after these. If you wanted to throw WCW in there, then you can start adding Vader, Dallas, Simmons, Mean Mark, Stunning Steve, Booker T (but without Stevie it kind of kills it), What else we got.
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Post by newgenandy on Dec 22, 2021 10:58:32 GMT -5
I’d agree that being best case Realistically I can see maybe 2 sets x 4 figures. Maybe an early new year release and around comic con in July. Essentially 2 a year 6 monthly I don’t think it’d be worth their while doing 1 set a year and more than 2 might be punching above weight. There’s a lot of other options now on the market for this style of figure. I don’t want to be overly critical but this should be the easiest home run to do but mattel have made the retros harder than they need to be. Essentially do figures who should’ve / could’ve had a hasbro but didn’t and are currently under license, after that do those who had s a hasbro but could be improved and are under license, then consider doing those just outside the end of the hasbro license snd just missed out. There’s a few years worth of figures easy Just for fun, who are the guys currently under license that "could of" had a Hasbro? I guess we stop at 1995? Lawler, Volkuff (assuming he's still signed), Studd, Mabel, Roadie, Powers of Pain Warlord (but without Barbarian it's kind of useless), The Goon, (we're scraping the bottom though). My mind is blank now after these. If you wanted to throw WCW in there, then you can start adding Vader, Dallas, Simmons, Mean Mark, Stunning Steve, Booker T (but without Stevie it kind of kills it), What else we got. You probably got a lot tbh for the ones who didn’t get one but could have Me personally the ones who could be improved is equally as interesting - LOD if they were still signed without pads, a better rude, a neon cowboy macho (without the hat snd jacket), a natural disasters earthquake to go with typhoon (in the black and red not blue) It’s hard without the list of who is available - a big hit would be those shows which didn’t come out: rnb greg, tugboat etc
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Post by loosecannon on Dec 22, 2021 12:04:27 GMT -5
yeah selfishly I wouldn't mind them redoing a lot of the guys who had Hasbros because I am a MOC collector and things would get a lot cheaper for me vs buying original hasbros lol. Rude is a must though. 100%. I'm not sure Typhoon is still signed But Hammer R&B is also a must. And an updated Macho King with long tights. These are who I know are signed: Andre, Valetine, Rude, Dibiase, Savage, Warrior, Taker, Razor, HHH, HBK, Jake, Beefcake (Dream team Beefcake and Valentine maybe?) Tatanka, Earthquake, Diesal (already got him) JYD (already got him), Piper (coming Q1), Sheik (already got), Kane (Issac Yankem), Paul Orndorff (duh, I forgot him above) Bret (they can do another update of him), Anvil (I am going to assume he's still signed, Pink Hart Foundation), Yokozuna (other then me wanting a cheap MOC of him, there's really not much to be done), Billy Gunn (he was pretty much Smoking Gunns through 95), Bob Orton (getting Q1), Bossman (not much else to do), Slaughter (Iraq heel run), Rhodes, Sid Might be forgetting a few and some of these may not be signed as of today, but these are guys i know we've got figures of in the last 2 years or so or...I know they are under a Legends contract. And these are all guys within the Hasbro era. I didn't include managers, announcers, celebs and other non wrestling talent.
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Post by loosecannon on Dec 22, 2021 12:09:32 GMT -5
Steamboat may still be signed as well. Forgot about him. He would be an awesome update
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Post by pickle on Dec 22, 2021 12:52:17 GMT -5
Essentially do figures who should’ve / could’ve had a hasbro but didn’t and are currently under license Jimmy Hart, Bobby Heenan, Paul Bearer, Nikolai Volkoff, Sherri, Jerry Lawler and Mabel are the only signed Hasbro era guys who don't already have one. Vader, Isaac Yankem, The Goon, Gladiator Faarooq. Even if they open the line up to all eras, they still don't have many unmade characters signed: Big John Studd, DDP, Terry Funk, Edge, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, RVD, William Regal, Booker T, Batista, Shelton Benjamin, Hurricane, Trish, Lita, Beth Phoenix and Umaga. And the purists would hate most of those. Unless they suddenly get an influx of new talent signed, this line will be mostly repaints and redos.
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Post by newgenandy on Dec 22, 2021 13:14:40 GMT -5
Essentially do figures who should’ve / could’ve had a hasbro but didn’t and are currently under license Jimmy Hart, Bobby Heenan, Paul Bearer, Nikolai Volkoff, Sherri, Jerry Lawler and Mabel are the only signed Hasbro era guys who don't already have one. Vader, Isaac Yankem, The Goon, Gladiator Faarooq. Even if they open the line up to all eras, they still don't have many unmade characters signed: Big John Studd, DDP, Terry Funk, Edge, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, RVD, William Regal, Booker T, Batista, Shelton Benjamin, Hurricane, Trish, Lita, Beth Phoenix and Umaga. And the purists would hate most of those. Unless they suddenly get an influx of new talent signed, this line will be mostly repaints and redos. We don’t know who they have signed though. So we can only speculate. No figure doesn't necessary mean not signed
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Dec 22, 2021 14:39:54 GMT -5
Between upgrades/improvements, expanding the Hasbro era roster (especially with WCW), and expanding to other eras, there are plenty of options. The Hasbro Rick Rude was an embarrassment, so they Mattel could still do a long hair and a short hair version of him. Personally, a steel cage ring with Warrior, Rude and a retro WWE title would be a must-buy.
Even if the releases are always in loosely-themed sets of four, there’s tons new to do:
Undertaker New Gen: Undertaker (purple gloves, no hat), Paul Bearer, King Mabel, Kama
New Gen villains: Jerry Lawler, Isaac Yankee, Bob Backlund, British Bulldog (short hair)
Best of 1996: Rocky Maiva, Vader, Faarooq, Shawn Michaels (boyhood dream era)
D-Generation X: Triple H (legs not stuck together), Chyna, Road Dogg, Billy Gunn
New World Order: Hollywood Hogan, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, X-PAC
Cruiserweight Champions: Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero, Brian Pillman, Hurricane
SummerSlam 91: Macho Man, Miss Elizabeth, Sgt Slaughter (no hat), Col Mustafa
Fantasy Tag Team Match: Hart Foundations vs Harlem Heat or Hollywood Blondes
Heenan Family: Bobby Heenan, Andre (blue singlet/sideburns), Rick Rude, Big Studd
Jimmy Hart & clients: Jimmy Hart, Honky Tonk (ring gear), , Earthquake (Natural Disasters singlet), Hulk Hogan (2002 style)
Hulkster & Friends: Hulk Hogan (WM9), Brutus Beefcake (WM9), Tugboat, Mr Wonderful
ECW: Rob Van Dam, Terry Funk, Cactus Jack, Paul Heyman
Austin vs McMahon: Austin (t-shirt & jeans), Vince McMahon, Dude Love, Big Bossman
Women’s Evolution: Alundra Blayze, Trish Stratus, Becky Lynch, Bianca Belair
International Superstars: Lord Steven Regal, Drew McIntyre, Edge, Undertaker (ABA)
Urban Legends: Dusty Rhodes (yellow boots), Kamala (moon on belly), USA Lex Luger, Greg Valentine (black hair)
Ruthless Aggression: Batista, MVP, JBL, Triple H (trunks)
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 22, 2021 17:41:28 GMT -5
Just for fun, who are the guys currently under license that "could of" had a Hasbro? I guess we stop at 1995? Lawler, Volkuff (assuming he's still signed), Studd, Mabel, Roadie, Powers of Pain Warlord (but without Barbarian it's kind of useless), The Goon, (we're scraping the bottom though). My mind is blank now after these. If you wanted to throw WCW in there, then you can start adding Vader, Dallas, Simmons, Mean Mark, Stunning Steve, Booker T (but without Stevie it kind of kills it), What else we got. You probably got a lot tbh for the ones who didn’t get one but could have Me personally the ones who could be improved is equally as interesting - LOD if they were still signed without pads, a better rude, a neon cowboy macho (without the hat snd jacket), a natural disasters earthquake to go with typhoon (in the black and red not blue) It’s hard without the list of who is available - a big hit would be those shows which didn’t come out: rnb greg, tugboat etc Same. Huge wants for me would be LOD with removable should pads, a better Rick Rude, a long tights Macho King with crown and scepter, heel Jake the Snake (in either the blue flame or black flame tights), a Natural Disasters Earthquake, Tugboat, Rhythm and Blues Greg Valentine, a Hart Foundation Jim Neidhart (and a Bret, too), white trunks Tito Santana, a Money Inc. Ted DiBiase in the white tux or white trunks, USA Lex Luger, and Mega Maniacs Brutus Beefcake. Others that would work; Big John Studd, King Mabel, Powers of Pain Warlord (just in case Barbarian ever signs), Jerry Lawler, Nikolai Volkoff, a British Bulldog from his 1994/95 return run, Iraqi Sgt. Slaughter, Col. Mustafa, Honky Tonk Man in tights, Don Muraco, among others.
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Post by newgenandy on Dec 22, 2021 17:45:42 GMT -5
You probably got a lot tbh for the ones who didn’t get one but could have Me personally the ones who could be improved is equally as interesting - LOD if they were still signed without pads, a better rude, a neon cowboy macho (without the hat snd jacket), a natural disasters earthquake to go with typhoon (in the black and red not blue) It’s hard without the list of who is available - a big hit would be those shows which didn’t come out: rnb greg, tugboat etc Same. Huge wants for me would be LOD with removable should pads, a better Rick Rude, a long tights Macho King with crown and scepter, heel Jake the Snake (in either the blue flame or black flame tights), a Natural Disasters Earthquake, Tugboat, Rhythm and Blues Greg Valentine, a Hart Foundation Jim Neidhart (and a Bret, too), white trunks Tito Santana, a Money Inc. Ted DiBiase in the white tux or white trunks, USA Lex Luger, and Mega Maniacs Brutus Beefcake. Others that would work; Big John Studd, King Mabel, Powers of Pain Warlord (just in case Barbarian ever signs), Jerry Lawler, Nikolai Volkoff, a British Bulldog from his 1994/95 return run, Iraqi Sgt. Slaughter, Col. Mustafa, Honky Tonk Man in tights, Don Muraco, among others. And we are just spitballing on a forum - actual toy planners and designers brainstorming against a white board with the list of signed names to hand could probably come up with more snd great themed packs I genuinely think on the whole mattel do a really good job - there’s not a mass retail range as good as what they consistently have put out for years and years but with with the retros I do feel like they’re making it more difficult than it needs to be
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Post by mrh on Dec 22, 2021 23:38:14 GMT -5
Yes to what everyone set-- RETRO era guys: Vader, Lawler, Mabel -- would buy multiples!
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Post by Action Figure Attack on Dec 23, 2021 1:19:39 GMT -5
Same. Huge wants for me would be LOD with removable should pads, a better Rick Rude, a long tights Macho King with crown and scepter, heel Jake the Snake (in either the blue flame or black flame tights), a Natural Disasters Earthquake, Tugboat, Rhythm and Blues Greg Valentine, a Hart Foundation Jim Neidhart (and a Bret, too), white trunks Tito Santana, a Money Inc. Ted DiBiase in the white tux or white trunks, USA Lex Luger, and Mega Maniacs Brutus Beefcake. Others that would work; Big John Studd, King Mabel, Powers of Pain Warlord (just in case Barbarian ever signs), Jerry Lawler, Nikolai Volkoff, a British Bulldog from his 1994/95 return run, Iraqi Sgt. Slaughter, Col. Mustafa, Honky Tonk Man in tights, Don Muraco, among others. And we are just spitballing on a forum - actual toy planners and designers brainstorming against a white board with the list of signed names to hand could probably come up with more snd great themed packs I genuinely think on the whole mattel do a really good job - there’s not a mass retail range as good as what they consistently have put out for years and years but with with the retros I do feel like they’re making it more difficult than it needs to be Not sure what you mean by making it harder. The 1st pack is a loose theme. Just worked out that way. Some may have loose themes if it works out and some may not. We’ll be doing all Legends for the foreseeable future and prioritizing talent that never had a Retro fig while sprinkling in new versions of those that have had figs when appropriate. Original Retro era will be represented also. I think once we’re a few waves in you’ll see you’re getting everything you (realistically) want out of this line.
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Post by newgenandy on Dec 23, 2021 4:45:51 GMT -5
And we are just spitballing on a forum - actual toy planners and designers brainstorming against a white board with the list of signed names to hand could probably come up with more snd great themed packs I genuinely think on the whole mattel do a really good job - there’s not a mass retail range as good as what they consistently have put out for years and years but with with the retros I do feel like they’re making it more difficult than it needs to be Not sure what you mean by making it harder. The 1st pack is a loose theme. Just worked out that way. Some may have loose themes if it works out and some may not. We’ll be doing all Legends for the foreseeable future and prioritizing talent that never had a Retro fig while sprinkling in new versions of those that have had figs when appropriate. Original Retro era will be represented also. I think once we’re a few waves in you’ll see you’re getting everything you (realistically) want out of this line. I’m talking the initial run and hiatus. I can’t really comment on retros mark 2 since they’re not out yet but I like the 4 box concept, but IMO the initial run had poor choices which could have been avoided. I’ll caveat with I understand licensor has huge involvement and I believe final sign off but: I think out the gate doing those who were under contract but missed out such as diesel come to mind. By the time we got round to diesel bring included some stockists (such as smyths over here) had already stopped series back - presumably because the earlier waves didn’t sell and sat on shelves. I saw them reduced to £3 at which point the retailer could be making a loss per unit I believe Jim was under contract during the run and no hart foundation, in-fact a complete lack of tag teams was a glaring omission There were also interesting design choices: rock having the press slam mechanism rather than the clothesline which was more suited to both rock bottom and peoples elbow A lot of jumpers and the new kick mechanism which affected ease of display The whole issue with the stand / game involvement snd again I get that might not have been your choice but it missed the mark for the demographic it was after Why I think that’s still important is some tapped out in the line and the question is will they now come back and try and find the figures on the after market? I think those few changes and the line could have been one of the best selling lines. I did say prior to my comment about making it more difficult that I don’t like to criticise mattel too much because the frequency of out out and quality imo is unmatched in the wrestling figure space - and there’s a lot of nit picking in tiny issues but IMO the retros line after maybe series 2 (series 3 was all modern guys, including modern Goldberg, again as a jumper?) just had lots of strange decisions made. The amendment to the clothesline mechanism was an example where an update was fine and absolutely improved upon previous mechanisms so it wasn’t all bad. You saying these are all legends immediately removed one of my biggest issues with the previous line.
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