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Post by MKSavage on Jul 22, 2023 22:20:38 GMT -5
Yeah, that just came to me when I was writing the post, but now, I really want it. Andre would be great, not sure what they could do to make it different than the Hasbro one, maybe give him sideburns. For DiBiase, they could do either the black and purple tux or the silver and purple tux. Virgil could be in the silver bodyguard suit, or he could be in his wrestling gear from that time period (image below). And Heenan could be in a suit.  Do they still have the rights to Andre? I read somewhere that they lost him, too. Man, I hope not. I haven't heard that. His UE figure is still coming out, and they just announced some more figures of him at SDCC: Legends 21 and in their Superstars line. |
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Post by gentlemanjohnny on Jul 23, 2023 1:10:25 GMT -5
If we are airing our grievances, it is infuriating that we finally got the Hart Foundation in retro form and it was from 1987, not freaking 1990/91!!! The Harts were my biggest want outside of Heenan and Sherri from this line and it just boggles my mind we are getting Richter/Ali/Bob Orton… in the grand scheme, few people care about the first Mania and yet we are getting a second wave dedicated solely to it. Not getting a long tights Macho King by now is also just beyond me. Never would have bet Zombie Sailor would be the first to do it. Bah. On the bright side, love that DX set. No complaints there, or with the Studd reveal. Seems like most guessed the next ringside set, so what comes after DX?? Hard to say, you would think that they would want another group, but who do they have left? The Nation is a good guess, they just released elites of Kama and D-Lo, and they still have the Rock under contract, so that is 3 of the 4. If Faarooq is still signed, I could see them doing a Nation set with those 4. A Hart Foundation set would make sense, but they only have 3 of the 5 members signed, so I can't see that happening. I do like the idea of a Heenan family set; Heenan, Orndorff, Rude, Mr. Perfect would be nice. The Mega Bucks would be interesting: Andre, DiBiase, Heenan, and Virgil. Survivor Series teams would be interesting as well, the top one would have been Warrior, Texas Tornado, and LOD, but that's not happening. For my pick, I'm going to go with the Kliq: HBK, Razor Ramon, Diesel, and 123 Kid, all attires from 1994-1996. I like your Mega Bucks idea. If it’s true about Macho Man, that kills off Hogan and Savage vs Ted and Andre. And I would guess it hurts the chances of a Miss Elizabeth, which should’ve been the first girl in the retro line. I don’t know if they would do a suited Ted but I’d be all for his silver tux. Virgil in his manager getup would be cool. |
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Jul 23, 2023 8:23:02 GMT -5
I love this idea! World Champ Diesel, HBK from 95 era, could use the Ryder body easily, Razor Ramon in maybe blue, or pink, or black trunks, Kid in the red/white attire like his Bend Em. Those would be good. If they don't do one of them, they could always add Hunter Hearst Helmsley from 1995/96. They could do a set based on this match: Another set I thought of would be early gimmicks of guys that would hit it big in the Attitude era, so Ringmaster Austin, Rocky Maivia, Hunter Hearst Helmsley. I'm having trouble with a 4th though. Maybe Mankind, but he doesn't really fit the formula of the other 3, since he was already presented as a big deal when he debuted. |
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Jul 23, 2023 8:25:09 GMT -5
Mega Bucks would be an amazing set, with updated Andre, Dibiase, and Virgil, and finally a Bobby Heenan! This definitely just turned into my biggest current retro want. Yeah, that just came to me when I was writing the post, but now, I really want it. Andre would be great, not sure what they could do to make it different than the Hasbro one, maybe give him sideburns. For DiBiase, they could do either the black and purple tux or the silver and purple tux. Virgil could be in the silver bodyguard suit, or he could be in his wrestling gear from that time period (image below). And Heenan could be in a suit. Virgil in his famous bodygaurd gear of silver and pink would be amazing, it's something I've kinda wanted for a while now. And I never even realized Virgil had actual ring gear from before he turned face. Only time I remembered him wrestling was him and Dibiase against Dusty and Dustin, and I always just pictured him wresting in his usual getup. |
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 23, 2023 11:40:07 GMT -5
Those would be good. If they don't do one of them, they could always add Hunter Hearst Helmsley from 1995/96. They could do a set based on this match: Another set I thought of would be early gimmicks of guys that would hit it big in the Attitude era, so Ringmaster Austin, Rocky Maivia, Hunter Hearst Helmsley. I'm having trouble with a 4th though. Maybe Mankind, but he doesn't really fit the formula of the other 3, since he was already presented as a big deal when he debuted. That would be good, though, I'm not a big fan of that HBK attire, but those 4 definitely go together. I was originally thinking IC champion for Diesel to match what Hasbro was going to do, but since they put that attire out for their previous Diesel figure, WM11 or Survivor Series 1995 would be a good choice. For Razor, the red tights from the match would definitely work. If not those, I'd go with the blue from Royal Rumble 1994. The 123 Kid from that match would work as well, if not that attire, he had another red and black attire that could work. For HBK, I would want a colorful attire, this one may be too close to his last Hasbro figure. I was thinking maybe the blue zebra tights from Summer Slam 1995. If not those, then the red and white tights from Survivor Series 1992 would be great. Also, I think the HBK figure should be in the mold of the unreleased HBK Hasbro figure. It was one of my favorite Hasbro molds. If they could make the packaging in the same style as the KLIQ dvd, that would be great:  I'm really liking your New Generation looks for the Attitude Era stars; debut Ringmaster, debut Rocky Maivia, and debut Hunter Hearst Helmsley would all be great choices. Debut Mankind would definitely be a great choice as well; he fits in with those guys and was one of the biggest stars of the attitude era along with the other three, but I get what you're saying. If not debut Mankind, how about Isaac Yankem DDS? As Kane, he was one of the biggest stars in the attitude era, so him in his earlier gimmick might work. Also, a Razor Ramon, Diesel, Fake Razor and Fake Diesel set would be cool. |
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 23, 2023 11:46:38 GMT -5
Yeah, that just came to me when I was writing the post, but now, I really want it. Andre would be great, not sure what they could do to make it different than the Hasbro one, maybe give him sideburns. For DiBiase, they could do either the black and purple tux or the silver and purple tux. Virgil could be in the silver bodyguard suit, or he could be in his wrestling gear from that time period (image below). And Heenan could be in a suit. Virgil in his famous bodygaurd gear of silver and pink would be amazing, it's something I've kinda wanted for a while now. And I never even realized Virgil had actual ring gear from before he turned face. Only time I remembered him wrestling was him and Dibiase against Dusty and Dustin, and I always just pictured him wresting in his usual getup. Yeah, he wrestled at times on house shows that DiBiase couldn't make because of injury or travel issues. Sometimes they would do an angle "that DiBiase couldn't make the show" so Virgil would fill in for him, then DiBiase would show up at the end of the match and attack Virgil's opponent. He wrestled a few people during this time, mostly guys that DiBiase was feuding with; Macho Man, Hercules, and Bam Bam Bigelow come to mind. There is also a match on you tube between him and the Texas Tornado in December of 1990. I think DiBiase really couldn't make the show, so Virgil took his place. They kind of used this to tease Virgil's face turn as well, at the end of the match he shook Kerry's hand. If they still had Dustin under contract, I would love a four pack of Dusty, Dustin, Virgil and DiBiase from that RR91 match. If not those exact looks, DiBiase in the black and gold tux, Virgil in the wrestling tights from RR91, Dustin in his "Natural Dustin Rhodes" gear that he wore in the WWF, and Dusty in the black and red polka dots attire. |
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 23, 2023 11:51:50 GMT -5
Hard to say, you would think that they would want another group, but who do they have left? The Nation is a good guess, they just released elites of Kama and D-Lo, and they still have the Rock under contract, so that is 3 of the 4. If Faarooq is still signed, I could see them doing a Nation set with those 4. A Hart Foundation set would make sense, but they only have 3 of the 5 members signed, so I can't see that happening. I do like the idea of a Heenan family set; Heenan, Orndorff, Rude, Mr. Perfect would be nice. The Mega Bucks would be interesting: Andre, DiBiase, Heenan, and Virgil. Survivor Series teams would be interesting as well, the top one would have been Warrior, Texas Tornado, and LOD, but that's not happening. For my pick, I'm going to go with the Kliq: HBK, Razor Ramon, Diesel, and 123 Kid, all attires from 1994-1996. I like your Mega Bucks idea. If it’s true about Macho Man, that kills off Hogan and Savage vs Ted and Andre. And I would guess it hurts the chances of a Miss Elizabeth, which should’ve been the first girl in the retro line. I don’t know if they would do a suited Ted but I’d be all for his silver tux. Virgil in his manager getup would be cool. Yeah, without Savage, that pretty much kills a Mega Powers vs Mega Bucks set - which would have ruled. But it kills another set that would have been great, WM7 Retirement Match: Ultimate Warrior, Macho King Randy Savage, Sensational Queen Sherri, and Liz. |
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Post by gentlemanjohnny on Jul 23, 2023 14:12:39 GMT -5
I like your Mega Bucks idea. If it’s true about Macho Man, that kills off Hogan and Savage vs Ted and Andre. And I would guess it hurts the chances of a Miss Elizabeth, which should’ve been the first girl in the retro line. I don’t know if they would do a suited Ted but I’d be all for his silver tux. Virgil in his manager getup would be cool. Yeah, without Savage, that pretty much kills a Mega Powers vs Mega Bucks set - which would have ruled. But it kills another set that would have been great, WM7 Retirement Match: Ultimate Warrior, Macho King Randy Savage, Sensational Queen Sherri, and Liz. Losing Savage kills a ton. Hogan and Brutus vs. Macho Man and Zeus would have been awesome. I’d rather have Zeus than Ali. They could have done a Wrestlingmania 4 set with Savage and the guys he beat in the tournament. I know they can’t make One Man Gang but give me Hammer, Butch Reed if they could get his rights (underrated heel and badly in need of an elite) and Ted. They could have also just done Savage vs Ted with Hogan and Andre from their run ins in the main event. Sensational Sherri and Miss Elizabeth retros would have been amazing. I love the Wendi but no way should she have been made before them. Macho vs Flair with manager Mr. Perfect and Miss Elizabeth The snake bite incident with Macho, Jake, Liz and maybe a Piper from when he pulled Macho out or Sid from when Jake tried to do the same thing to him. Warrior vs Sgt. Slaughter with Macho and Sherri from the run in - my favorite title change of all time, I hated Warrior and I’ll never forgive Vince for Wrestlemania 6, I was thrilled when he lost. I was in like 2nd grade. What a time to be alive. |
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 23, 2023 14:17:53 GMT -5
Yeah, without Savage, that pretty much kills a Mega Powers vs Mega Bucks set - which would have ruled. But it kills another set that would have been great, WM7 Retirement Match: Ultimate Warrior, Macho King Randy Savage, Sensational Queen Sherri, and Liz. Losing Savage kills a ton. Hogan and Brutus vs. Macho Man and Zeus would have been awesome. I’d rather have Zeus than Ali. They could have done a Wrestlingmania 4 set with Savage and the guys he beat in the tournament. I know they can’t make One Man Gang but give me Hammer, Butch Reed if they could get his rights (underrated heel and badly in need of an elite) and Ted. They could have also just done Savage vs Ted with Hogan and Andre from their run ins in the main event. Sensational Sherri and Miss Elizabeth retros would have been amazing. I love the Wendi but no way should she have been made before them. Macho vs Flair with manager Mr. Perfect and Miss Elizabeth The snake bite incident with Macho, Jake, Liz and maybe a Piper from when he pulled Macho out or Sid from when Jake tried to do the same thing to him. Warrior vs Sgt. Slaughter with Macho and Sherri from the run in - my favorite title change of all time, I hated Warrior and I’ll never forgive Vince for Wrestlemania 6, I was thrilled when he lost. I was in like 2nd grade. What a time to be alive. All of these would have been great, especially the Summer Slam 1989 and Royal Rumble 1991 sets. |
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Post by britishbrickfan on Jul 23, 2023 21:55:00 GMT -5
is anyone else disappointed that this year's reveals are basically just 6 figures, and nothing more?
We already knew about Hogan/Richter, though it was good to see the figures themselves finally, but I think it's a shame that the reveals were "just" Big John Studd/Muhammad Ali and the D-X pack, because last year we got to see Lawler, and followed up with other figure reveals at NYTF but if Mattel are using SDCC as their launchpad for most WWE figure collections (they've announced the change to Basics, plus 100 new figures including over a year's worth of Elite/Ultimates) but it would have been awesome to learn what's coming down the line from Ringside's tag exclusivity after D-X
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Post by gentlemanjohnny on Jul 24, 2023 0:19:09 GMT -5
is anyone else disappointed that this year's reveals are basically just 6 figures, and nothing more? We already knew about Hogan/Richter, though it was good to see the figures themselves finally, but I think it's a shame that the reveals were "just" Big John Studd/Muhammad Ali and the D-X pack, because last year we got to see Lawler, and followed up with other figure reveals at NYTF but if Mattel are using SDCC as their launchpad for most WWE figure collections (they've announced the change to Basics, plus 100 new figures including over a year's worth of Elite/Ultimates) but it would have been awesome to learn what's coming down the line from Ringside's tag exclusivity after D-X Very disappointing showing. They did nothing to show that the line is still alive really. For starters, set up blew. No back drop like the other lines. Just sat some figures in a ring that isn’t going to be sold again like “we have these too.” We already knew about Hogan and Wendi. I believe Steve already mentioned that ringside would get another 4 pack, which many guessed would be dx. Big John Studd ruled and they made an Ali retro that a grand total of zero people asked for. At least they were sure to include the microphone that I have have no memory of him using at wrestlemania 1. If they were pumping out more figures per year, then I wouldn’t be so negative - but when we hardly get any figures in this line I don’t get why they’re not making better choices. I don’t need to list all of the holes in the hasbro line that they could and should be filling. We’ve been doing that on this site since retros were announced the first time they went out of their way to murder the line, but what would actual Hasbro collectors know? No teaser for the next Mattel creations set. They didn’t even show the packaging for the Hogan set. I could be wrong, but didn’t they show the packaging for the set they showed last year? |
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Post by mrh on Jul 24, 2023 1:29:00 GMT -5
is anyone else disappointed that this year's reveals are basically just 6 figures, and nothing more? We already knew about Hogan/Richter, though it was good to see the figures themselves finally, but I think it's a shame that the reveals were "just" Big John Studd/Muhammad Ali and the D-X pack, because last year we got to see Lawler, and followed up with other figure reveals at NYTF but if Mattel are using SDCC as their launchpad for most WWE figure collections (they've announced the change to Basics, plus 100 new figures including over a year's worth of Elite/Ultimates) but it would have been awesome to learn what's coming down the line from Ringside's tag exclusivity after D-X Very disappointing showing. They did nothing to show that the line is still alive really. For starters, set up blew. No back drop like the other lines. Just sat some figures in a ring that isn’t going to be sold again like “we have these too.” We already knew about Hogan and Wendi. I believe Steve already mentioned that ringside would get another 4 pack, which many guessed would be dx. Big John Studd ruled and they made an Ali retro that a grand total of zero people asked for. At least they were sure to include the microphone that I have have no memory of him using at wrestlemania 1. If they were pumping out more figures per year, then I wouldn’t be so negative - but when we hardly get any figures in this line I don’t get why they’re not making better choices. I don’t need to list all of the holes in the hasbro line that they could and should be filling. We’ve been doing that on this site since retros were announced the first time they went out of their way to murder the line, but what would actual Hasbro collectors know? No teaser for the next Mattel creations set. They didn’t even show the packaging for the Hogan set. I could be wrong, but didn’t they show the packaging for the set they showed last year?
Yes to ALL of this.
If they were doing more sets, these figures would be OK. But for two sets a year, it is not who collectors want.
If they put the care they put into the Superstars line into this, I guarantee sale numbers would be higher
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Post by hulkster on Jul 24, 2023 2:48:25 GMT -5
I do wonder if we have reached the end, there seemed to be a lot less care this year, I'm actually OK with all of the figures other than Ali, and HHH..but I'll buy them.
I do wonder if they had a Macho and Liz planned and had to pull it?
The market is also full at present and I wonder if that has caused an impact.
Concerning really!
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Post by britishbrickfan on Jul 24, 2023 3:10:02 GMT -5
I do wonder if we have reached the end, there seemed to be a lot less care this year, I'm actually OK with all of the figures other than Ali, and HHH..but I'll buy them. I do wonder if they had a Macho and Liz planned and had to pull it? The market is also full at present and I wonder if that has caused an impact. Concerning really! lets face it, the market is "full" because Mattel dropped the ball and left this style for others to pick up and run with
if Mattel Creations were doing 3 waves a year, or two Ringside and 2 MC waves, that would be great, but all we've got so far is 6 "new" reveals and a long time before New York Toy Fair, by which point will people even have the Lawler wave in hand? or will that still be on "preorder"?
Ringside also needs to take some responsibility here - the nWo wave took AGES from reveal to preorder, and then it took a while for shipping to begin, so hopefully the D-X wave will go up for preorder shortly on Ringside with a view for figures in hand in a couple of months, otherwise it's going to be NYTF before we see even the D-X pack and that's after Lawler's wave closes on MC
I'm glad we're getting the figures we are, I just wish Mattel were doing 3 waves with an RSC exclusive, or 2 MC and 2 RSC waves a year, as they could have given us an indication of who is coming next year
as it stands, we have the likes of Zombie Sailor, Epic, Grapplers & Gimmicks and many more with a laundry list of signed talent which will take them a decade to produce, whilst Mattel can't even tell us when the next handful of their own figures are due to be available to buy  |
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Post by kirk815 on Jul 24, 2023 4:09:28 GMT -5
I do wonder if we have reached the end, there seemed to be a lot less care this year, I'm actually OK with all of the figures other than Ali, and HHH..but I'll buy them. I do wonder if they had a Macho and Liz planned and had to pull it? The market is also full at present and I wonder if that has caused an impact. Concerning really! lets face it, the market is "full" because Mattel dropped the ball and left this style for others to pick up and run with
if Mattel Creations were doing 3 waves a year, or two Ringside and 2 MC waves, that would be great, but all we've got so far is 6 "new" reveals and a long time before New York Toy Fair, by which point will people even have the Lawler wave in hand? or will that still be on "preorder"?
Ringside also needs to take some responsibility here - the nWo wave took AGES from reveal to preorder, and then it took a while for shipping to begin, so hopefully the D-X wave will go up for preorder shortly on Ringside with a view for figures in hand in a couple of months, otherwise it's going to be NYTF before we see even the D-X pack and that's after Lawler's wave closes on MC
I'm glad we're getting the figures we are, I just wish Mattel were doing 3 waves with an RSC exclusive, or 2 MC and 2 RSC waves a year, as they could have given us an indication of who is coming next year
as it stands, we have the likes of Zombie Sailor, Epic, Grapplers & Gimmicks and many more with a laundry list of signed talent which will take them a decade to produce, whilst Mattel can't even tell us when the next handful of their own figures are due to be available to buy If they are sticking with only 2 waves (and a third via RSC), then I am glad that they didn't show additional figures. They showed us next year's RSC exclusive and the full set that is going to hit in the beginning of 2024. I don't need to see product that is 13-14 months away from being released. Last year's SDCC they showed the same thing - the Jan 2023 wave and the NWO RSC exclusive set. Only difference is that they showed Lawler, which is still about a month away from releasing. It sucks, but this line just doesn't do as well as the other lines so it is going to be lower priority. So it isn't the end or concerning - it's just the norm now. I'm more concerned for the Superstars line, which is a WM exclusive that doesn't seem to be hitting at all. Wave 2 and 3 are still warming (to be fair, I think they ordered way too much of those waves, which is probably playing a part in the other waves not getting out). They keep on announcing more and more product that I'm afraid we are never going to be able to find. |
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Post by brad on Jul 24, 2023 7:35:54 GMT -5
one plus to this line, is I know I can get my hands on it without scalping. The other elites and ultimates are a pure crap shoot as to whether I will ever see them in stores. Even certain legends elites can be a headache to find at Target.
I have pre-ordered plenty of other retros from the indies, and I basically try to forget about them until they show up a year later 😆
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Post by glassoni0n on Jul 24, 2023 10:22:39 GMT -5
I do wonder if we have reached the end, there seemed to be a lot less care this year, I'm actually OK with all of the figures other than Ali, and HHH..but I'll buy them. I do wonder if they had a Macho and Liz planned and had to pull it?The market is also full at present and I wonder if that has caused an impact. Concerning really! I was left with a similar thought. While it does feel like we've seen fewer retro reveals in 2023 compared to 2022, I was fully expecting them to show a teaser on Saturday or Sunday. It's not a massive leap to wonder if Mach and/or Liz were going to potentially be in that spot as they're two of the most highly-requested retros right now (long tights Macho King anyway). I will say as far as lines go I'm the least down on losing Savage in the retro line, though it significantly hurts our chances of getting a Liz until he's sorted out which is a massive blow for me. I'm actually a big fan of the two Macho retros we have. I get that people would rather a classic Macho vs. the NWO but that might be my favorite retro figure period, definitely my favorite from the retail run. My only gripe is I wish they had gone with a slightly better head for his retros, but can't win em all in that respect. |
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Jul 24, 2023 12:07:57 GMT -5
Highly dissapointing overall, and I do wonder if the line is again on it's deathbed with the lack of care given at SDCC and so few reveals.
I'll still get the Lawler wave, but I'm really on the fence on the DX and Hogan/Richter sets. Both are outside the timeline I'm really after. Studd looks good, if only Hogan looked half decent I may have been more in on that set, but I think he looks awful. Don't really see the point of a Richter especially if there are no other female wrestlers to pair her with, and no body wanted Ali.
Guess I'll see if and what they reveal over the next few months to see if I want to keep up on these or not.
Like said above, they've had no clue what to with this line from the start. I'm just glad for the smaller companies running with the ball. I hope more big names like Macho get free'd up from Mattel exclusivity and can get signed by Zombie, Mitch, Chella etc.
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Post by brad on Jul 24, 2023 13:12:07 GMT -5
Apologies ahead of time, but I'm being COMPLETELY serious here--
why is it that Mattel, nor any of the other boutique companies cant TRULY replicate the old Hasbros? Let's look at Warrior and Hogan - these figures are over 30 years old now, and the LIKENESS and durability are unmatched. The faces and jawlines are superb. Thirty years later, all the resources of Mattel dont amount to the near indestructibility or the similarity that some of those Hasbro's nailed. Let's call a spade a spade, this upcoming Hogan figure just isn't the stuff. (whereas the Hollywood fig is pretty darn great). Hell, even Bret Hart's thirty-year-old figure resembles him better than what was revealed this weekend.
I just dont get it - you'd think the real thing wouldn't be that hard to do these days. Am I alone here? Discuss.
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Jul 24, 2023 14:46:42 GMT -5
Apologies ahead of time, but I'm being COMPLETELY serious here-- why is it that Mattel, nor any of the other boutique companies cant TRULY replicate the old Hasbros? Let's look at Warrior and Hogan - these figures are over 30 years old now, and the LIKENESS and durability are unmatched. The faces and jawlines are superb. Thirty years later, all the resources of Mattel dont amount to the near indestructibility or the similarity that some of those Hasbro's nailed. Let's call a spade a spade, this upcoming Hogan figure just isn't the stuff. (whereas the Hollywood fig is pretty darn great). Hell, even Bret Hart's thirty-year-old figure resembles him better than what was revealed this weekend. I just dont get it - you'd think the real thing wouldn't be that hard to do these days. Am I alone here? Discuss. I completely agree, I feel a few of the Mattel Retros came close. I really liked the purple Taker, still probably my favorite one they did. A few others looked ok, some looked good with part swaps and modification, but overall they really missed the mark. They sure could have nailed it if they were to have put the effort and recources behind it, but I think they were just going for a quick cash grab hence the lack of care in selection of guys and attires, and over-reuse of the same molds where they don't really look that great in alot of cases. Now, I do think some of the other retro companies seem to be getting very close. I liked Double J and Bravo from ZST, though with alot of the newer stuff he's showing it really looks like he's missing the mark and trying to go in a realistic statue like direction, which I don't think is what collectors of the style want. I am pretty optimistic about Mitch's product, I like the Ahmed, and from what we've seen so far in photos, his MoM seem pretty darn spot-on. Chella and/or whatever companies they've branched off into, I guess we'll see. The King Haku looks pretty good from what they've shown off I think. I hope they keep improving going forward. The other ones, who knows until they actually deliver some product. I do think that Max Moon looks pretty good so far though. |
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