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Post by biggerbetterbadder on Jul 24, 2023 14:54:19 GMT -5
I was hoping we get a render of the next set after the Hogan/Richter set. Bobby Heenan consistently seems to be the one most in demand for a retro. I bet we will soon get him. Wonder if they’d do an all manger bundle? I’d love it, because we’d probably get an awesome Lou Albano retro. Most likely would be a Heenan family bundle I think. Awesome as well. Andre, Rude, and Orndorff?
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Post by TheWholeFnShow on Jul 24, 2023 15:22:46 GMT -5
So many retros! With the 12 Mattel has announced, I'm also getting Raven, Johnny Gargano & the Headbangers from other companies. That's 16 more retros. I also want a Jonah, hopefully I can get one off ebay. I wound up reorganizing my figures to have more room. I think it came out good. I have them separated into current Raw, AEW & Smackdown. Then for my classics, I separated into pre-attitude era & attitude era. Also, did a quick head swap on Brian Danielson with his AEW head. Pics below.    |
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 24, 2023 15:53:50 GMT -5
Apologies ahead of time, but I'm being COMPLETELY serious here-- why is it that Mattel, nor any of the other boutique companies cant TRULY replicate the old Hasbros? Let's look at Warrior and Hogan - these figures are over 30 years old now, and the LIKENESS and durability are unmatched. The faces and jawlines are superb. Thirty years later, all the resources of Mattel dont amount to the near indestructibility or the similarity that some of those Hasbro's nailed. Let's call a spade a spade, this upcoming Hogan figure just isn't the stuff. (whereas the Hollywood fig is pretty darn great). Hell, even Bret Hart's thirty-year-old figure resembles him better than what was revealed this weekend. I just dont get it - you'd think the real thing wouldn't be that hard to do these days. Am I alone here? Discuss. It is amazing, isn't it, that a company from 30 years ago made great toys that companies today cannot replicate. The retros are nice, for what they are, but they are seriously lacking when compared to the Hasbro figures from the 90s. Not only that, but they continue to drag their feet on some figures and make odd choices to include on others. Apologies ahead of time, but I'm being COMPLETELY serious here-- why is it that Mattel, nor any of the other boutique companies cant TRULY replicate the old Hasbros? Let's look at Warrior and Hogan - these figures are over 30 years old now, and the LIKENESS and durability are unmatched. The faces and jawlines are superb. Thirty years later, all the resources of Mattel dont amount to the near indestructibility or the similarity that some of those Hasbro's nailed. Let's call a spade a spade, this upcoming Hogan figure just isn't the stuff. (whereas the Hollywood fig is pretty darn great). Hell, even Bret Hart's thirty-year-old figure resembles him better than what was revealed this weekend. I just dont get it - you'd think the real thing wouldn't be that hard to do these days. Am I alone here? Discuss. I completely agree, I feel a few of the Mattel Retros came close. I really liked the purple Taker, still probably my favorite one they did. A few others looked ok, some looked good with part swaps and modification, but overall they really missed the mark. They sure could have nailed it if they were to have put the effort and recources behind it, but I think they were just going for a quick cash grab hence the lack of care in selection of guys and attires, and over-reuse of the same molds where they don't really look that great in alot of cases. Now, I do think some of the other retro companies seem to be getting very close. I liked Double J and Bravo from ZST, though with alot of the newer stuff he's showing it really looks like he's missing the mark and trying to go in a realistic statue like direction, which I don't think is what collectors of the style want. I am pretty optimistic about Mitch's product, I like the Ahmed, and from what we've seen so far in photos, his MoM seem pretty darn spot-on. Chella and/or whatever companies they've branched off into, I guess we'll see. The King Haku looks pretty good from what they've shown off I think. I hope they keep improving going forward. The other ones, who knows until they actually deliver some product. I do think that Max Moon looks pretty good so far though. Yeah, some of their earlier figures were close, but still not as good. They at least had molds for the early figures that fit the figure they were for, but then Mattel started reusing the same molds over and over, and some of the part choices made no sense. That Warrior from series 1 is atrocious, especially compared to the S1 Hasbro Warrior figure. The Taker figure is great, one of the best they have done, but so many are poor. A while back someone mentioned that these look more like playmate toys companies make for 3-year-olds, I think that is a fitting description for these, they're nice for what they are, but they don't fit in with the old Hasbro's. Every now and then they put out a nice figure, like that Taker and Kane, the new Jerry Lawler figure, and the new Studd and Billy Gunn figure, but most of the set is just not that great. I'm hoping that some of the smaller companies can fill the gap, but most of them have been hit or miss. The Jarrett from Zombie was really good, though the head wasn't the greatest, and a few of the others from him would fit in nicely with the old Hasbro's, but some look too much like statues than figures. Same with the guy who made the Men on a Mission figures, Mabel looks excellent, and Mo definitely fits in with the old Hasbro's, but some of his other figures like Savio do not. That one company that made the Adam Bomb figure has some good ones as well, most notably the Adam Bomb figure and the Hayabusa figure - in my opinion is the most Hasbro-like figure any company has made so far, which is kind of sad because he doesn't really fit in with the other wrestlers from that time period. With how well Cardona and Myers are doing with the LJN and Bendem's-inspired lines, I would love to see them try a few waves of Hasbro-inspired figures. Both of them seem to be huge fans of the old Hasbro line, and I think they would do their best to make them look as close as possible to the Hasbro look and feel. I mean, they spent a lot of time trying to get their Big Rubber Guys line to look, feel, weigh, and even smell like the old LJN figures, I think they would do the same for a Hasbro line. At least do that for some of the guys they have access to that should have gotten Hasbro figures, or another one: Dino Bravo, Power & Glory, One Mang Gang, Jeff Jarrett, Adam Bomb, Bastion Booger, Ric Flair, Greg Valentine, Killer Bees, Andre the Giant, etc. |
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Post by AttitudeLegendCollector on Jul 24, 2023 16:13:42 GMT -5
I actually think the problem is that Mattel in particular didn’t actually study the Hasbro line. I know that sounds crazy and some might say, they shouldn’t need to as they’re so iconic everyone remembers, right? But for some reason, so many people seem to remember Hasbros as super cartoon-like toys and they do forget the level of detail and quality.
They either didn’t care enough or were too lazy to zone in and study then make a serious product. They just wanted to jump on the Hasbro collector hype and capitalise with a cheap knock off with an official licence behind it.
The whole fuss people made about bringing retros back feels weird to me, because on the whole, what Mattel produced in the first run was not good and not collector friendly.
Make no mistake, the only reason they’re back is because of what Zombie and Chella etc were doing. This time around Mattel are definitely producing more collector friendly choices and cool boxes etc but again, now we’re a few series into the return, on the whole, the quality and look of most figures has been poor. We’ve now got an upcoming re-release of sorts with purple Taker (the first one was actually one of their best and far better than this masked one) a weird looking Vader and then the set after is a Mania 1 dull fest. That upcoming Hogan is just dreadful and if you put it next to any of the Hogan Hasbros, you would probably have someone who doesn’t know guess the Mattel as the 30 year old figure and the Hasbro as the 2023 update
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Post by mrh on Jul 24, 2023 16:14:54 GMT -5
Agree with all of this -- that no one can touch the original Hasbros. And it also boggles my mind there is no Heenan yet. Really don't understand what they are waiting for.
At the rate they release these, the earliest we could get Heenan is a year from now. That's pretty terrible for this line being open 2 years again
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Post by glassoni0n on Jul 24, 2023 17:46:46 GMT -5
I genuinely wonder if it's got something to do with the type of plastic that was used 30 years ago compared to today. To my hand none of the Mattel, Chella, ZST retros have truly felt like Hasbros, I think the closest combination would be something like: ZST's plastic combined with Chella's likenesses using Mattel's action moves and deco-printing capabilities.
I can't speak to any of the other companies out there but just using those three I think that would get the closest to approximating a Hasbro but even then I don't think it would be exact. That old school Hasbro plastic had a really high gloss and felt less dense than what Zombie and definitely Chella put out. Idk if plastic has actually changed (could be some kind of environmental thing) but to me no modern company has the feel down exactly right.
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Post by gentlemanjohnny on Jul 25, 2023 1:07:07 GMT -5
Apologies ahead of time, but I'm being COMPLETELY serious here-- why is it that Mattel, nor any of the other boutique companies cant TRULY replicate the old Hasbros? Let's look at Warrior and Hogan - these figures are over 30 years old now, and the LIKENESS and durability are unmatched. The faces and jawlines are superb. Thirty years later, all the resources of Mattel dont amount to the near indestructibility or the similarity that some of those Hasbro's nailed. Let's call a spade a spade, this upcoming Hogan figure just isn't the stuff. (whereas the Hollywood fig is pretty darn great). Hell, even Bret Hart's thirty-year-old figure resembles him better than what was revealed this weekend. I just dont get it - you'd think the real thing wouldn't be that hard to do these days. Am I alone here? Discuss. I think it’s a testament to how good the hasbros are. They still hold up today. I’ve bought so many over the years that I have multiples of most of them. I have some on my desk at school (grade school teacher) and my class last year would be giddy when I’d add a new one. Hilariously, they played with them during indoor recess. They were surprised to hear how old the figures were and wanted to get them at the store. They knew nothing about wrestling and thought it was real. A girl in my class looked up the Undertaker online and asked me how it’s possible to survive a hot place like Death Valley. Nailz also puzzled them. “Why is he still wearing that if he got out? What did he go to jail for?” So many questions that I gave Gorilla Monsoon like kayfabe answers to. “He’s trying to gain a psychological advantage over his opponents.” Mattel already killed this line once and I’m over here trying to keep kayfabe alive. |
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Post by kirk815 on Jul 25, 2023 4:00:09 GMT -5
It's been over 3 years since an Elizabeth figure was released and almost 3 since Heenan was released.
It's very possible that their contract expired at some point.
If Sherri is still under contract, I hope they push forward with a figure of her.
Sherri, Zeus, Heel Jake, and Iraqi Slaughter would be a cool series (not sure if they would do all heels though besides factions).
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 25, 2023 4:19:52 GMT -5
It's been over 3 years since an Elizabeth figure was released and almost 3 since Heenan was released. It's very possible that their contract expired at some point. If Sherri is still under contract, I hope they push forward with a figure of her. Sherri, Zeus, Heel Jake, and Iraqi Slaughter would be a cool series (not sure if they would do all heels though besides factions). Heenan has been mentioned/rumored to be signed with PowerTown, not sure if he has deals like Andre and Hogan where he can sign with multiple companies. An Iraqi sympathizer Slaughter would be nice, though he would probably be just a repaint of the Sheik/Woods figure with the wide leg stance. If they could do a new mold of him in his entrance gear, and a new action, that could be interesting. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jul 25, 2023 9:02:50 GMT -5
It's been over 3 years since an Elizabeth figure was released and almost 3 since Heenan was released. It's very possible that their contract expired at some point. If Sherri is still under contract, I hope they push forward with a figure of her. Sherri, Zeus, Heel Jake, and Iraqi Slaughter would be a cool series (not sure if they would do all heels though besides factions). Heenan has been mentioned/rumored to be signed with PowerTown, not sure if he has deals like Andre and Hogan where he can sign with multiple companies. An Iraqi sympathizer Slaughter would be nice, though he would probably be just a repaint of the Sheik/Woods figure with the wide leg stance. If they could do a new mold of him in his entrance gear, and a new action, that could be interesting. I’m not sure how interchangeable the parts are, but I’d be up for a Sgt Slaughter and Colonel Mustafa 2-pack that both use those legs. I’d want the Sarge figure to have a different upper body though. |
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Post by kirk815 on Jul 31, 2023 0:50:23 GMT -5
So who does everyone want to see by era that is still signed or we think is still signed?
? = questioning if still signed/able to make figures
Early Golden Era:
Geroge the Animal Steele
Captain Lou Albano
Ricky the Dragon Steamboat
Harley Race
Andre
Paul Orndorff (?)
Miss Elizabeth (?)
Late Golden Era:
Zeus
Brutus the Barber Beefcake
Heel Jake the Snake Roberts (blue or black flames)
Dusty Rhodes
Natural Disasters
POP Warlord
M$M
Virgil
Mr. Perfect
Rick Rude
Iraqi Slaughter
Col. Mustafa
Headshrinkers
Steiner Brothers
Narcissist Lex Luger
Sherri (?)
Mr. McMahon (?)
New Gen:
Bam Bam Bigelow (Purple flames)
Sultan/Make a Difference Fatu
Ultimate Warrior 96 run
Isaac Yankem
Ringmaster Steve Austin
Tatanka
Jake the Snake (GH version)
Kama
Yokozuna
Rocky Maivia
Farooq (Gladiator)
Justin Hawk Bradshaw
Shawn Michaels
123 Kid
Razor Ramon
Diesel
Blueblood HHH
British Bulldog
Bret Hart
Dok Hendrix
Mabel (?)
Alundra Blaze (?)
Psycho Sid (?)
Tatanka (?)
Attitude Era:
Rikishi
Chainsaw Charlie
Rob Van Damn
Dude Love/Cactus Jack
Lita
Trish
Ken Shamrock
Nation of Domination (Rock, Farooq, Kama, D'Lo)
The Godfather
Edge
APA/Acolytes
Eddie Guerrero
Big Bossman (?)
Viscera (?)
Stephanie McMahon (?)
Shane McMahon (?)
Mr. McMahon (?)
WCW (Early 90s-Mid 90s):
Lex Luger
Ron Simmons
Dangerous Alliance - Stunning Steve Austin, Rick Rude, Paul E. Dangerously, Madusa (?)
Shark
Shockmaster
Harley Race Manager
Mean Mark Callous
Steiner Brothers
Cactus Jack
OZ/Vinnie Vegas
Diamond Studd
Harlem Heat
NWO era:
Eric Bischoff
Scott Steiner
Rick Steiner
Curt Henning
M$M Manager
Vincent
Booker T
Stevie Ray (?)
DDP
Rey Mysterio
Eddie Guerrero
Disciple
OWN Warrior
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Post by mrh on Jul 31, 2023 1:30:14 GMT -5
Apologies ahead of time, but I'm being COMPLETELY serious here-- why is it that Mattel, nor any of the other boutique companies cant TRULY replicate the old Hasbros? Let's look at Warrior and Hogan - these figures are over 30 years old now, and the LIKENESS and durability are unmatched. The faces and jawlines are superb. Thirty years later, all the resources of Mattel dont amount to the near indestructibility or the similarity that some of those Hasbro's nailed. Let's call a spade a spade, this upcoming Hogan figure just isn't the stuff. (whereas the Hollywood fig is pretty darn great). Hell, even Bret Hart's thirty-year-old figure resembles him better than what was revealed this weekend. I just dont get it - you'd think the real thing wouldn't be that hard to do these days. Am I alone here? Discuss. I think it’s a testament to how good the hasbros are. They still hold up today. I’ve bought so many over the years that I have multiples of most of them. I have some on my desk at school (grade school teacher) and my class last year would be giddy when I’d add a new one. Hilariously, they played with them during indoor recess. They were surprised to hear how old the figures were and wanted to get them at the store. They knew nothing about wrestling and thought it was real. A girl in my class looked up the Undertaker online and asked me how it’s possible to survive a hot place like Death Valley. Nailz also puzzled them. “Why is he still wearing that if he got out? What did he go to jail for?” So many questions that I gave Gorilla Monsoon like kayfabe answers to. “He’s trying to gain a psychological advantage over his opponents.” Mattel already killed this line once and I’m over here trying to keep kayfabe alive.
This is so cool. I'm surprised a school lets you keep those out -- I don't remember any teachers having something like that, but so cool.
It will be such a bummer if Heenan and Elizabeth never come out in this line, but probably right that they won't
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Post by biggerbetterbadder on Aug 1, 2023 7:59:13 GMT -5
Surprising that the SDCC Ali is still available. I wonder if slow sales on that might affect the retro set he is in? Hope not. Still a great set, although I would have put Orndorff or Albano in the set instead.
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Post by glassoni0n on Aug 1, 2023 10:57:25 GMT -5
Surprising that the SDCC Ali is still available. I wonder if slow sales on that might affect the retro set he is in? Hope not. Still a great set, although I would have put Orndorff or Albano in the set instead. Mattel seems to make more than they need on a lot of their MC exclusives, but I had a feeling this would be by far the slowest-moving SDCC release they've done in a while. I think this figure appeals to the cross-over crowd way more than it does the hardcore wrestling crowd, which as an idea was a mistake imo. Getting Ali on a deal is a big win for them in theory, but how many wrestling fans have a really strong resonance towards Muhammad Ali in connection to WWE? The Slim Jim Macho, Mr. T, CC Slaughter and No Holds Barred packs all had a cross-over angle to play, but appealed to the hardcore WWE collector first and foremost, the people who frequent Mattel Creations, figure boards, and actually know this figure exists. Purely tin foil hat speculating that one could have affected the other, but it would really piss me off if say WWE balled out on obtaining Ali's license and at the price of letting someone like Macho Man's slip or fall into acrimonious negotiation. That would show such a fundamental misunderstanding for the motivations of 95% of your fans. I'd feel a lot less conspiratorial about that if a company like Endeavor didn't just assume effective control of WWE's business. Overall I'd be very interested to know whether or not Endeavor has exceeded any authority in these types of decisions. |
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Post by gentlemanjohnny on Aug 2, 2023 13:15:00 GMT -5
I think it’s a testament to how good the hasbros are. They still hold up today. I’ve bought so many over the years that I have multiples of most of them. I have some on my desk at school (grade school teacher) and my class last year would be giddy when I’d add a new one. Hilariously, they played with them during indoor recess. They were surprised to hear how old the figures were and wanted to get them at the store. They knew nothing about wrestling and thought it was real. A girl in my class looked up the Undertaker online and asked me how it’s possible to survive a hot place like Death Valley. Nailz also puzzled them. “Why is he still wearing that if he got out? What did he go to jail for?” So many questions that I gave Gorilla Monsoon like kayfabe answers to. “He’s trying to gain a psychological advantage over his opponents.” Mattel already killed this line once and I’m over here trying to keep kayfabe alive.
This is so cool. I'm surprised a school lets you keep those out -- I don't remember any teachers having something like that, but so cool.
It will be such a bummer if Heenan and Elizabeth never come out in this line, but probably right that they won't
Yeah if I was in a public school the NEA would probably send me to sensitivity training or put me through a wood chipper. I went to work yesterday and put Hogan, Savage, and Honky Tonk Man on my desk to start the year. And I would love to hear Mattel’s explanation for not putting Heenan in at this point. I thought I remembered Steve saying that there was a Heenan planned at one time. |
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Post by jukeboxjim on Aug 3, 2023 6:32:35 GMT -5
Hi all,
Long time lurker here. I received my nWo Hogan this morning from Ringside Collectibles and unfortunately his 'kicking' leg won't stay in a down position and is constantly popping up, making display very difficult. Has anyone else encountered this? Is it a common issue with the kicking retros? I've contacted RC but I'm living in Ireland so returns could be tricky. Disappointed as I was really looking forward to getting him!
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Post by glassoni0n on Aug 3, 2023 9:47:49 GMT -5
Hi all, Long time lurker here. I received my nWo Hogan this morning from Ringside Collectibles and unfortunately his 'kicking' leg won't stay in a down position and is constantly popping up, making display very difficult. Has anyone else encountered this? Is it a common issue with the kicking retros? I've contacted RC but I'm living in Ireland so returns could be tricky. Disappointed as I was really looking forward to getting him! Pretty common issue, some are more sensitive than others. I had no issues with Hogan at first, but about a month ago I had a solid 2-3 minutes where I just could not get the leg to sit down straight. The mechanism is a bit of a hair-trigger, but you should eventually be able to get it to sit where it's supposed to. |
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Post by cableV on Aug 5, 2023 16:20:15 GMT -5
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Post by bigvis497 on Aug 5, 2023 16:22:00 GMT -5
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Post by SteveHulk on Aug 5, 2023 16:34:45 GMT -5
Mattel Creations updated their launch calendar. Wasn't bundle 2 the Hart Foundation set? Yeah - and bundle 3 was the orange card set. So this should be bundle 4... 🤔 |
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