The Brain's Classic Feuds Discussion

Raven vs Tommy Dreamer


This legendary ECW feud would begin in early 95 when Raven came onto the scene.I liked how right outta the gate they explained the past these two had with each other from childhood.Who could forget these early vignettes??!!


From there Raven would form his own faction known as his nest as a way to destroy Dreamer. At first it was jobbers Johnny Hotbody and Tony Steson but that changed quickly by the Spring when the Pitbulls became the new lackeys along with that clueless putz Stevie Richards. Also cant forget Beulah McGillicutty who would be the key ingredient in this whole feud as we would find out she was Raven's love interest when they were kids until Dreamer stole her from him.The storytelling here was fantastic so well done.This whole feuds foundation was how Raven always got the better of Tommy whether it be attacks or matches. Dreamer just couldnt get the job done.


Dreamer did get a big boost that Summer though with the shot heard around the world!!!


From there the feud would really heat up with both Cactus Jack and Terry Funk getting involved so with that this turned into a tag war! 


They would still rage war well into 1996 even after Raven won the World Title that January from the Sandman. Dreamer would try his that year to not only win the belt but to finally beat Raven one on one but in the end Raven still always got the better.There would be a break in the feud when Raven hired his own bodyguard in the form of Primetime Brian Lee to take care of his business.The two would meet in the infamous scaffold match....


At ECWs first PPV Barley Legal,Dreamer would cost Raven the belt in the main event against Terry Funk.Always one of my fav moments in company history seeing Terry win the title one more time.From there the company certainly wasnt big enough for these two heated rivals so with with that we would getb the big showdown at Wrestlepalooza that June in a loser leaves match with Dreamer FINALLY getting the better of Raven once and for all which sent Raven packing to WCW for a few years. GREAT stuff here and a nice end(for now) to this feud.


The stuff they did in 99 with Raven coming back as a babyface to win the tag belts with em for a little run was a nice shocking twist.I also liked how they still teased tension between the two during this time. 



Overall...Fantastic feud here. This along with Taz/Sabu are my favs as far as ECW goes. Definitely recommend this to younger fans who wanna see what this company was all about.Another case of storytelling at it's finest.

Yep years go by quick. I remember this like it was yesterday.

Forgot about the fan cam stuff.I know it wasnt mentioned on TV since like i said the whole feud was built on Raven getting the better of em.

I was never a Tommy Dreamer fan, he was always so bland but I'll give him his due for an all time great feud that lasted years. Raven is on a Rushmore of great ECW champions for me. That character was absolutely destroyed by WCW and even worse the WWE.

Coming up on the CFD...

Jim Duggan vs Randy Savage


It was during the Fall of 89 in which King Duggan would be challenged by the Madness for the crown. Macho would win the match but for some reason they never aired the full match.All we got was a brief clip of him winning it.Either way though...Bow down to your new KING DIG IT!!!


This would lead to the coronation on Superstars. Classic stuff here with all the heels during the time there plus you got Jesse on commentary putting this over. Good stuff.


Hacksaw would try his hand in getting the crown back in MSG but would come up short thanks to interference from Queen Sherri.





The feud would rage on into SSeries that year with Duggan leading his 4x4s as they faced the Kings Court. Duggan would be the last man on his team to be eliminated but would stand tall post match by using his ol' trusty 2x4 on the heels.The culmination of the feud would come that January on SNME with Duggan having one more chance to win back the crown.





Overall....Duggan was good in the transition role with them putting the crown on Savage a fantastic move.No doubt in my mind the best King ever.Him and Sherri both knocked it outta the park.ALL HAIL!!

I loved Savage as the Macho King, probably my favorite era of Randy Savage in my time as a fan actually. What is the saying, something like the man can make the title or the title can make the man. Well, Savage well and truly made being the King mean something. Plus his feud with the Warrior during this time is one of my all time favorites.

I am still super mad that Hasbro never made a long tights Macho King Randy Savage figure! Hell the Royal Rumble mini figure had long tights so why not the regular one? I consider the Mattel retro line to be a huge mess and one of the best examples of that is we got two Randy Savage figures, but neither one of them was the one we actually needed!!!

Coming up on the CFD....

Roddy Piper vs Hulk Hogan



This feud would start in early 85 with the first big match between the two happening on MTVs War to Settle the Score.Piper was on fire as a heel during this era with Hogan playing the perfect babyface for em.The crowd at MSG ate up every bit of it that's for sure


This would all lead to the first Mania a month later with Hogan/Mr .T taking on Piper/Orndorff in the main event.Loved the build to this with Hogan/T shown training for it along with Piper being his gold self on Piper's Pit.The babyfaces would prevail in the end but I gotta mention that up to this point Hogan has never decisively beat Hot Rod.They would meet one more time for the title on the Wrestling Classic that November but once again it would end on  a DQ.This would end feud for now as both guys moved on by early 86.


They would meet back up almost 11 years later but this time it was in WCW.Piper would debut at Halloween Havoc 96 to a massive pop to confront Hogan.Great mark out moment here with the announcers/Hogan putting it over huge.Still laugh at Piper calling Giant ''sprout'' lol.


The big showdown between the two during this era would come at Starrcade that year with Piper actually beating Hogan(albeit with controversy) but as a lifelong Hot Rod fan it was great seeing him out Hogan to sleep. Shame the belt wasnt on the line as a little run with Big Gold wouldve been great.


The stuff they did in the build for Superbrawl that February with Piper in Alcatraz for a week getting ready for the match was weird but still great at the same time as crazy Hot Rod is gold.


The match at the PPV was one big cluster**** though with Savage turning heel when Piper had Hogan in the sleeper and then thinking he won only for Savage to ''pull Hogan under the ropes'' even though the ref could clearly see the distance between the feet and ropes.They would meet again at Havoc later that year in a cage and once again it was terrible. I'll never forget Cornette destroying it on Raw the next night.This would end their feud in WCW pretty much aside from one offs in the ball bat on a poll tag match at Spring Stampede 98 and both appearing in War Games in 98. They would meet up in the WWE again in 2003 with Hogan as ''Mr. America'' but less said about this the better. Although I will say Piper making a return at Mania XIX to hit Hogan with a pipe was a nice nod.

Overall...Another one of the great feuds of all time here.Cant talk about the Rock N Wrestling era without these two thats for sure.The stuff in WCW started off great with the roles reversed but it didnt take long for it go off a cliff.

They did interact in late 84 but the real feud heated up in early 85.