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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 13:24:47 GMT -5
Cool to see support for multiple Lucha Bros figures. To take it one step further and into the hypothetical realm, would AEW fans buy NJPW versions of Omega, Jericho and the Young Bucks from Super7? Probably not possible from a licensing standpoint. Super 7 versions would be a pass for me. I've been pretty underwhelmed by what we've seen from Super 7. The accessories are great, Okada's face looks very off to me, and I'm not a fan of the shading on the torsos. I'd buy Boss Fight and Jazwares crossovers. But if I have a choice between Jazwares and Super 7, the Jazwares would be good enough for me. In fairness, those might have been hand painted prototypes we saw in those series 1 samples. The series 2 ones 100% were handpainted, that was obvious. But yeah, if it's a choice between S7 or a Jazwares version, gimme Jazwares 10 times out of 10.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jul 20, 2020 15:42:58 GMT -5
Is it any gear without Bullet Club logos, or is it any gear that they've since re-worn again in AEW? I haven't seen any figures yet with gear that wasn't worn on an AEW show. The only thing they ever wore that New Japan could claim ownership of is the BC logo. People need to stop thinking entire looks that guys commissioned and paid for themselves are owned by a company just because they wore it in that company's ring. The bigger issue is they probably don't want to do anything but current AEW attires for the first few waves. I'm pretty sure the reason that people think that about wrestler's gear is because that's what the designers for multiple figure lines have said.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 17:10:35 GMT -5
The only thing they ever wore that New Japan could claim ownership of is the BC logo. People need to stop thinking entire looks that guys commissioned and paid for themselves are owned by a company just because they wore it in that company's ring. The bigger issue is they probably don't want to do anything but current AEW attires for the first few waves. I'm pretty sure the reason that people think that about wrestler's gear is because that's what the designers for multiple figure lines have said. And it doesn't make sense. The gearmakers for promotions outside of WWE don't usually work in tandem with the companies in question, so there's no real way the companies can own the rights to those attires. It might be an issue of licensing the look from the person who made the gear, or an issue with getting promo pictures of those guys (which the promotions might actually own the rights to) but I don't buy that New Japan owns Kenny Omega in black leather pants that say "Elite" on the side. TNA doesn't own AJ Styles in white biker shorts and white kickpads and a cutoff hoodie. ROH doesn't own Daniel Bryan in white trunks and white kickpads, or Samoa Joe in black/red biker shorts.
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Post by stc13 on Jul 20, 2020 17:31:14 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the reason that people think that about wrestler's gear is because that's what the designers for multiple figure lines have said. And it doesn't make sense. The gearmakers for promotions outside of WWE don't usually work in tandem with the companies in question, so there's no real way the companies can own the rights to those attires. It might be an issue of licensing the look from the person who made the gear, or an issue with getting promo pictures of those guys (which the promotions might actually own the rights to) but I don't buy that New Japan owns Kenny Omega in black leather pants that say "Elite" on the side. TNA doesn't own AJ Styles in white biker shorts and white kickpads and a cutoff hoodie. ROH doesn't own Daniel Bryan in white trunks and white kickpads, or Samoa Joe in black/red biker shorts. The "we can only make attires that WWE owns the tape library of" is completely a WWE created stipulation. We've discussed it at length in other threads, but as kyoken said, the only things that would be off limits would be a trademark or logo that is the IP of another company. So the Bullet Club logo would be off limits, which is why The Elite created that "sub faction" in NJPW. So they could own the trademark and sell their own merch. Same would go for why couldn't make something like Spider Man Rey Mysterio or many of the Marvel inspired Gargano attires. Now one wrestling company not wanting to promote or reference something in a competing wrestling company...that may be a whole different can of worms. But the Storm Hogans are a perfect example. They made pretty much every notable look Hogan has ever worn, almost all of which are from his time in WWE/F or WCW. They couldn't use the NWO logos on boots or his tshirt. But they DID license the art for the two Hollywood era tshirts from the artist that controls the rights to those designs.
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Post by newworldoz on Jul 21, 2020 3:06:01 GMT -5
Cool to see support for multiple Lucha Bros figures. To take it one step further and into the hypothetical realm, would AEW fans buy NJPW versions of Omega, Jericho and the Young Bucks from Super7? Super7 couldn't make those guys without licensing them from AEW. The good news, I guess, is that Jazwares/WCT can do any attire those guys wore in New Japan that doesn't have the Bullet Club branding on it. In terms of licensing, I think of AEW as the "cool" wrestling promotion, so might be more agreeable to licensing some of their roster to other toy companies. If the demand was high enough.
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Post by crush on Jul 21, 2020 3:17:00 GMT -5
One quick note that I think a lot of people are skipping over: To use the WWE example. If a company were to make a wrestler in gear that they ONLY wore in WWE-owned tape library footage, WWE could conceivably go after then for trying to profit off of the association with a WWE-owned image, even though they don’t technically own the gear.
Certain guys, re: Hogan, are a different animal entirely because they own their names and likeness rights.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 7:16:23 GMT -5
Super7 couldn't make those guys without licensing them from AEW. The good news, I guess, is that Jazwares/WCT can do any attire those guys wore in New Japan that doesn't have the Bullet Club branding on it. In terms of licensing, I think of AEW as the "cool" wrestling promotion, so might be more agreeable to licensing some of their roster to other toy companies. If the demand was high enough. The EVPs are all mad that New Japan (rightfully) didn't give them a send-off. They're not gonna license themselves for that company's toy line.
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Post by dylan on Jul 21, 2020 11:26:56 GMT -5
One quick note that I think a lot of people are skipping over: To use the WWE example. If a company were to make a wrestler in gear that they ONLY wore in WWE-owned tape library footage, WWE could conceivably go after then for trying to profit off of the association with a WWE-owned image, even though they don’t technically own the gear. Certain guys, re: Hogan, are a different animal entirely because they own their names and likeness rights. Unless there's copyrighted logos owned by that company on it, I'm pretty sure the wrestlers own the rights to their gear. For example, Kenny wore his most recent WK gear in AEW and now we're getting a figure of it. Jericho was able to bring the paynemaker gear over to AEW, so we'll probably get that look down the line. Trent has worn different variations of his gear for about 10 years now across the fed, impact, indies, nooj, and now AEW.
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Post by crush on Jul 21, 2020 13:10:51 GMT -5
One quick note that I think a lot of people are skipping over: To use the WWE example. If a company were to make a wrestler in gear that they ONLY wore in WWE-owned tape library footage, WWE could conceivably go after then for trying to profit off of the association with a WWE-owned image, even though they don’t technically own the gear. Certain guys, re: Hogan, are a different animal entirely because they own their names and likeness rights. Unless there's copyrighted logos owned by that company on it, I'm pretty sure the wrestlers own the rights to their gear. For example, Kenny wore his most recent WK gear in AEW and now we're getting a figure of it. Jericho was able to bring the paynemaker gear over to AEW, so we'll probably get that look down the line. Trent has worn different variations of his gear for about 10 years now across the fed, impact, indies, nooj, and now AEW. I know that they own their gear (most of the time. WWE owns the rights to some specific looks that were designed in-house, but that's another topic). An example of what I'm saying: If Jazzwares made a Chris Jericho in WWE attire that he never wore in AEW, WWE could conceivably come after them because even though they don't own the gear, that could say that Jazzwares is purposely trying to profit of their library's intellectual property because Jericho only appeared in that gear on WWE-owned programming. Now, in most cases (like the ones you described with Kenny or Trent) as long as the guy wears that same gear in the promotion being liscensed it should be fair game to make.
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Jul 21, 2020 14:31:57 GMT -5
The “only WWE owned footage” rule that Mattel has to follow is because WWE tries to take ownership of every part of their wrestlers they possibly can including their actual likeness and image.
AEW can make their own rule as long as it doesn’t infringe on any copyrights. As mentioned above, they can’t make most of the gear Jericho wore in WWE. But they could probably make a WCW or ECW Jericho or some other Lionheart version.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 14:35:00 GMT -5
Unless there's copyrighted logos owned by that company on it, I'm pretty sure the wrestlers own the rights to their gear. For example, Kenny wore his most recent WK gear in AEW and now we're getting a figure of it. Jericho was able to bring the paynemaker gear over to AEW, so we'll probably get that look down the line. Trent has worn different variations of his gear for about 10 years now across the fed, impact, indies, nooj, and now AEW. I know that they own their gear (most of the time. WWE owns the rights to some specific looks that were designed in-house, but that's another topic). An example of what I'm saying: If Jazzwares made a Chris Jericho in WWE attire that he never wore in AEW, WWE could conceivably come after them because even though they don't own the gear, that could say that Jazzwares is purposely trying to profit of their library's intellectual property because Jericho only appeared in that gear on WWE-owned programming. Now, in most cases (like the ones you described with Kenny or Trent) as long as the guy wears that same gear in the promotion being liscensed it should be fair game to make. If they avoided stuff WWE had trademarks on, they could probably get away with it.
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Post by crush on Jul 21, 2020 15:17:09 GMT -5
I know that they own their gear (most of the time. WWE owns the rights to some specific looks that were designed in-house, but that's another topic). An example of what I'm saying: If Jazzwares made a Chris Jericho in WWE attire that he never wore in AEW, WWE could conceivably come after them because even though they don't own the gear, that could say that Jazzwares is purposely trying to profit of their library's intellectual property because Jericho only appeared in that gear on WWE-owned programming. Now, in most cases (like the ones you described with Kenny or Trent) as long as the guy wears that same gear in the promotion being liscensed it should be fair game to make. If they avoided stuff WWE had trademarks on, they could probably get away with it. Honestly, I think they probably could as well, but I can understand why they might be hesitant.
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Post by Hardcore Bill Johnson on Jul 21, 2020 15:27:10 GMT -5
How about the fact that the back of the box (for what we've seen so far at least, Unrivaled 1) has a picture from a specific event with the date, location, etc? They're not going to put out a figure that depicts a non-AEW event any time soon.
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