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Post by hitmancmedge on Jul 19, 2020 7:00:04 GMT -5
So for those unaware after Naomi lost to Lacey on Smackdown naomideservesbetter started trending on twitter and her fans are outraged at her treatment. It got me thinking does she really deserve better though? I put her and Carmella in very similar boats. They both had a time where they were gaining serious momentum and were given the titles and their act didn’t hold up as well at the top of the card with the title. The in ring stuff wasn’t holding up, in Carmella’s case she floundered so bad and then when she lost the belt and teamed up with Truth she had another hot career point. It’s not like it was before where everyone gets a turn. Your women’s champions now really need to hold up their end of the card, main event shows, the in ring work needs to be there. In my opinion wrestlers like Naomi, Carmella, Dana Brooke, Tamina, and at this point even Lacey have their spot but they can’t hold up that end of the card in ring wise.
So the question does Naomi deserve better? I’m not so sure she does. Mid card feud, lots of merch, hero to little kids, that seems like a good spot to me.
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Post by RuthlessFigs on Jul 19, 2020 7:11:31 GMT -5
Not before #CesaroDeservesBetter
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Post by tylerbreezee on Jul 19, 2020 7:35:26 GMT -5
She does not.
She has nothing going for her besides a flashy entrance.
God awful on the mic and awful in the ring (athletic, yes. Good at wrestling, no)
She’s done nothing to prove she deserves better. You wanna headline the show? Work on your wrestling and not your dance moves or how you can improve your entrance.
If you put Naomi in the ring and said for her to have a 20 minute match with Sasha Banks, she would be dead in the water after 5 minutes and not know what to do or how to keep the match going. That’s why she only ever wrestles tag matches or multi-man because she can’t tell a story and doesn’t have what it takes to pull off a compelling match that’s more than a couple minutes
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Post by toki on Jul 19, 2020 7:41:52 GMT -5
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Post by Evil Abed on Jul 19, 2020 7:52:07 GMT -5
I don’t exactly see what she would be doing better in a higher spot. Her gimmick is tired (again), her promos are awful, her matches are neither terrible nor great.
There’s plenty of other people on the roster that deserve to be doing more than they currently are before we get to complaining about Naomis spot.
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Post by underoos on Jul 19, 2020 8:14:34 GMT -5
She's married to someone related to the Rock, she deserves the moon
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Post by stc13 on Jul 19, 2020 8:28:59 GMT -5
As others mentioned, she's basically a cool entrance and then...meh. She's athletic, but still below average in the ring and not going to improve. She's fine as a midcard babyface who moves merch and occasionally gets elevated into a title feud. But she's among a handful of legacy talent on the women's roster who, objectively, have no business on the main roster compared to the talent they have in developmental. There are easily 10-15 women in NXT who could be elevated to replace Tamina, Naomi, Nattie and you wouldn't even notice they were gone.
I have zero doubt that if you gave them a similar push and attention, you could bring up Shotzi or Kacy Catanzaro and they would fill that spot just as well, if not better.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jul 19, 2020 8:55:13 GMT -5
As others mentioned, she's basically a cool entrance and then...meh. She's athletic, but still below average in the ring and not going to improve. She's fine as a midcard babyface who moves merch and occasionally gets elevated into a title feud. But she's among a handful of legacy talent on the women's roster who, objectively, have no business on the main roster compared to the talent they have in developmental. There are easily 10-15 women in NXT who could be elevated to replace Tamina, Naomi, Nattie and you wouldn't even notice they were gone. I have zero doubt that if you gave them a similar push and attention, you could bring up Shotzi or Kacy Catanzaro and they would fill that spot just as well, if not better. Agreed! Enjoy your merch check, and lay down when it’s your turn to do so.
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Post by The Shiniest Wizard on Jul 19, 2020 9:00:51 GMT -5
She had her time to shine and she had a decent run with the title so I don't think she does. Her gimmick just isn't what it used to be when she debuted it and got it so over with the crowd. People like Bianca Belair are the ones that need a women's title soon. Younger, just as (or more) athletic, great on the mic, and all the fans seem to like her. I agree with everyone here though, cool entrance and that's it.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 19, 2020 9:55:08 GMT -5
Truth be told, WWE/NXT has an "embarrassment of riches" when it comes to female talent. Naomi is good, but when you compare her to X, Y, & Z, she's just not the total package.
I do not agree with those online that made her loss some sort of racist thing. That's weird.
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Post by GBGav on Jul 19, 2020 9:58:37 GMT -5
She's had her time and unless she has a major character overhaul she has nothing more to offer. Like Natalya she's a decent hand but shouldn't be the top draw. There are far better prospects in NXT that will hopefully move ahead of her some day.
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Post by sonstuds on Jul 19, 2020 10:03:21 GMT -5
Not to me, no. As has been discussed ad nauseam she isn't particularly good in the ring so that's a pretty big deal breaker for me. "Deserves better" describes Ruby Riott more than Naomi.
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Post by McBlake on Jul 19, 2020 10:05:43 GMT -5
Maybe? But as it stands there probably at least half a dozen women on the roster than deserve better more than she does.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Jul 19, 2020 10:07:17 GMT -5
This hashtag nonsense is getting annoying. Im a fan but shes been treated fairly and has had success in the past so I dont know why thats trending. How about someone explaining to me why Tamina still has a job? One of the worse performers I have seen in recent years.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Jul 19, 2020 10:35:35 GMT -5
Everyone deserves better than being on a karaoke segment on a sports non-entertainment program.
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Post by Newsted on Jul 19, 2020 11:16:18 GMT -5
She is where she deserves to be on the card. Boring on the mic, okayish in the ring. Nothing special. Just because her skin is black doesn't mean that she should get pushed.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Jul 19, 2020 11:23:10 GMT -5
Extremely athletic, vastly improved since day one, only sniffed a title when ‘Mania was in her hometown.
I’d say so.
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Post by TurboEddie on Jul 19, 2020 11:45:29 GMT -5
I would form a tag team with Naomi and Carmella called Glowmella and give them a Tag Team title run.
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Post by Bpatrick on Jul 19, 2020 11:46:41 GMT -5
To an extent... maybe... Naomi is super talented but I think if I did a full show with nothing but the women talent, she’s still be upper midcard, kinda where she is for me. I feel like Bianca and Kairi have been way more underutilized than Naomi, though Kairi has at least had TV time as a member of a tag team. I think Bianca has more crossover appeal than Naomi, which a lot of people feel she has. Kairi as the pirate on the main roster may have been huge with kids but never was really given a go - she got called up into a tag team and basically dropped the gimmick by the time they gave her some singles matchups.
I think the bigger thing is Naomi has seemingly been off TV a lot this year in tandem with her husband’s leave and injuries. I think she could be used in that veteran gatekeeper spot they always have Natalya fill, as Nattie is a talent that is solid but really has been there so long doing the same thing, I have very little interest when they put her in a featured spot.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 19, 2020 12:20:50 GMT -5
No. She's never been good. Sure she's athletic but thats the extent of her abilities. Her mic skills arent good, her actual ring work is below average. She has a flashy entrance then the crowd pretty much loses interest. She's been given the title twice. The first one doesnt really count but she got a 140 day run with the SD title coming off the heels of Lynch & Bliss making it the far superior title between the two brands and the title fell off the map & never regained luster again until Asuka picked it up.
Realistically we all know why this is trending. It has nothing to do with "how she is treated". Natalya has been under used for nearly a decade. Dana Brooke (who's just as bad in the ring as Naomi) is a career jobber..You dont see "stans" making fusses & hashtags about either of them. If we want to play that card, fine we can play it...Push Bianca Belair, at least shes a "5 tool player" and neither her nor her husband are likely to get you bad publicity from nights out.
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