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Post by newgenandy on Nov 17, 2021 17:03:27 GMT -5
I've heard this a few times about alleged embarrassing employees, sexual assaults and death. Possibly all from you? Can you elaborate on this as I've never heard or read anything about it and any sources to back up such extreme allegations? I was speaking of WWE in regards to those allegations. One of the top things Zombie's detractors constantly bring up here, is he was rude or mean and they morally can't support him. That's fine if you honestly believe in those morals, but it's completely hypocritical to continue to happily buy WWE products which has done far worse and actually pretend like you're standing up for something. What it boils down for me, is consistency with your views and critiques. I'm not going to point to specific examples as it will lead to more drama, but there are critiques for Zombie's figures that can apply to Chella's. But we don't see those critiques in the Chella thread from the same people who can't wait to come over and bash Zombie. I'm just asking to bring that same energy for both lines if you're going to be super critical. Unfortunately you don’t seem to see that his almost hyperbole and verbose boasts mean he is under closer scrutiny: “Their weight, articulation and detail is absolute perfection” “5 out of 5 stars” “Bundy looks insane” “They are incredible” “They look and feel better than I ever imagined” Direct quotes from his Twitter - contrast that to other lines, not just chella but junk shop dog etc who clearly outline who they are making, that they’re happy to be working with them and release dates etc. Shout louder and your under closer scrutiny - that’s how the world works. Don’t want the extra scrutiny then don’t editorialise and just put the facts out. Using words like “perfection” or reviewing your own product as 5 out of 5 stars… |
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Post by guster on Nov 17, 2021 18:36:57 GMT -5
I was speaking of WWE in regards to those allegations. One of the top things Zombie's detractors constantly bring up here, is he was rude or mean and they morally can't support him. That's fine if you honestly believe in those morals, but it's completely hypocritical to continue to happily buy WWE products which has done far worse and actually pretend like you're standing up for something. What it boils down for me, is consistency with your views and critiques. I'm not going to point to specific examples as it will lead to more drama, but there are critiques for Zombie's figures that can apply to Chella's. But we don't see those critiques in the Chella thread from the same people who can't wait to come over and bash Zombie. I'm just asking to bring that same energy for both lines if you're going to be super critical. Unfortunately you don’t seem to see that his almost hyperbole and verbose boasts mean he is under closer scrutiny: “Their weight, articulation and detail is absolute perfection” “5 out of 5 stars” “Bundy looks insane” “They are incredible” “They look and feel better than I ever imagined” Direct quotes from his Twitter - contrast that to other lines, not just chella but junk shop dog etc who clearly outline who they are making, that they’re happy to be working with them and release dates etc. Shout louder and your under closer scrutiny - that’s how the world works. Don’t want the extra scrutiny then don’t editorialise and just put the facts out. Using words like “perfection” or reviewing your own product as 5 out of 5 stars… He's selling his product. Were you not aware of his business before he dove into the retros? He's always been at home shopping network type salesmen. Getting upset about him being over the top and being excited for a dream product/job is just.....yeah, whatever. You can scrutinize whatever you want, however you want. But if you critique a particular element of a product, and then praise another product that has the exact same issue without mentioning it, you just look like a biased goof. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2021 18:51:15 GMT -5
I think all the animosity on this thread and past deleted threads come from the fact that we know we aren’t going to have them in February.
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Post by guster on Nov 17, 2021 19:34:50 GMT -5
I think all the animosity on this thread and past deleted threads come from the fact that we know we aren’t going to have them in February. lol. Remind me, you ever get those feathers back from the Model? |
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Post by pooch2423 on Nov 17, 2021 19:38:48 GMT -5
I think all the animosity on this thread and past deleted threads come from the fact that we know we aren’t going to have them in February. I order a chella “Ethan page” in January ( I probably won’t receive it until this January) 1 whole year. I ordered dynamite at least 8 months ago. A lot of people act as if chella is releasing there figures immediately. The only ones that were released less than 6 months were the repaints, that’s because they were sitting on stuff that didn’t sell (so they just painted over the original figure). |
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Nov 18, 2021 0:25:35 GMT -5
Everyone needs to chill the hell out. Support what you like, discuss the items or reveals as they come, and keep it at that. Refrain from making things personal.
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Post by hulkjoegan on Nov 18, 2021 1:18:03 GMT -5
Everyone needs to chill the hell out. Support what you like, discuss the items or reveals as they come, and keep it at that. Refrain from making things personal. Yeah, couldn’t agree more - this thread is headed straight to being locked 🙄 |
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Post by casanova on Nov 18, 2021 5:04:50 GMT -5
That Bundy paintmaster looks great! 👍🏻
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Post by Scott! on Nov 18, 2021 8:13:56 GMT -5
I think all the animosity on this thread and past deleted threads come from the fact that we know we aren’t going to have them in February. I order a chella “Ethan page” in January ( I probably won’t receive it until this January) 1 whole year. I ordered dynamite at least 8 months ago. A lot of people act as if chella is releasing there figures immediately. The only ones that were released less than 6 months were the repaints, that’s because they were sitting on stuff that didn’t sell (so they just painted over the original figure). I’m with you on that. Both companies, as I’ve said a hundred times at this point, need patience. They’re small companies working on budgets, this isn’t Mattel we’re dealing with who can afford to get it done in weeks. People need to realise that! |
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Post by Jackass Pacific on Nov 18, 2021 12:43:43 GMT -5
I order a chella “Ethan page” in January ( I probably won’t receive it until this January) 1 whole year. I ordered dynamite at least 8 months ago. A lot of people act as if chella is releasing there figures immediately. The only ones that were released less than 6 months were the repaints, that’s because they were sitting on stuff that didn’t sell (so they just painted over the original figure). I’m with you on that. Both companies, as I’ve said a hundred times at this point, need patience. They’re small companies working on budgets, this isn’t Mattel we’re dealing with who can afford to get it done in weeks. People need to realise that! they’re my toys and i want them NOW! |
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Post by micco on Nov 18, 2021 21:26:23 GMT -5
I was speaking of WWE in regards to those allegations. One of the top things Zombie's detractors constantly bring up here, is he was rude or mean and they morally can't support him. That's fine if you honestly believe in those morals, but it's completely hypocritical to continue to happily buy WWE products which has done far worse and actually pretend like you're standing up for something. What it boils down for me, is consistency with your views and critiques. I'm not going to point to specific examples as it will lead to more drama, but there are critiques for Zombie's figures that can apply to Chella's. But we don't see those critiques in the Chella thread from the same people who can't wait to come over and bash Zombie. I'm just asking to bring that same energy for both lines if you're going to be super critical. Dude it’s 2021 and the retros have a huge fanbase and it’s ok for people to prefer one or the other, the positives and negatives, that’s opinions and everyone is entitled to it. You do understand that ZST has taken the low road a number of times and knocked Chella, regardless of his approach and there’s, he should conduct himself better, how he comes across and is perceived is all his own doing and if you are the face of a brand any negative impact he himself causes reflects his business, truthfully his product is ok to me, but he has made a number to comments that are uncalled for, not to forget his podcast friends using their platform to knock Chella product to help the ZST line (until recently). Chella has taken the high road every time, have never talked bad about ZST or acknowledge him for that matter. Their interaction alone with fans is something to be admired. My point is it’s healthy competition and it is what it is. When ZST puts out a product a lot of opinions can maybe changed but until then the dude is in no position to talk down any product. He just comes across as jealous that he is being out worked and if he can’t handle what Chella is bringing, this retro market is going to kick into high gear once Mattel steps in. Sounds like you’re still missing the point. So what that he’s spoken badly about his competitor. Most of us normally can easily separate the support we give to a company based on our appreciation of the product, and how we might judge them on the basis of morality. That’s why it’s not hard for us to watch wwe despite that companies many unscrupulous dealings. We don’t root against them and unfairly criticize their product. It’s unfortunate that “the bad guy” has a great product and now we’re in position of having to make a decision to support a guy we don’t like or deprive ourselves of something we know we want. By all means root for chella. Buy any toys you want for any reason you want but if you propagate your biased opinion in a public forum how are you any better than the guy you claim constantly takes the low road. That’s what’s been taking place in this thread. |
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Post by onlymoc21 on Nov 19, 2021 2:35:41 GMT -5
Dude it’s 2021 and the retros have a huge fanbase and it’s ok for people to prefer one or the other, the positives and negatives, that’s opinions and everyone is entitled to it. You do understand that ZST has taken the low road a number of times and knocked Chella, regardless of his approach and there’s, he should conduct himself better, how he comes across and is perceived is all his own doing and if you are the face of a brand any negative impact he himself causes reflects his business, truthfully his product is ok to me, but he has made a number to comments that are uncalled for, not to forget his podcast friends using their platform to knock Chella product to help the ZST line (until recently). Chella has taken the high road every time, have never talked bad about ZST or acknowledge him for that matter. Their interaction alone with fans is something to be admired. My point is it’s healthy competition and it is what it is. When ZST puts out a product a lot of opinions can maybe changed but until then the dude is in no position to talk down any product. He just comes across as jealous that he is being out worked and if he can’t handle what Chella is bringing, this retro market is going to kick into high gear once Mattel steps in. Sounds like you’re still missing the point. So what that he’s spoken badly about his competitor. Most of us normally can easily separate the support we give to a company based on our appreciation of the product, and how we might judge them on the basis of morality. That’s why it’s not hard for us to watch wwe despite that companies many unscrupulous dealings. We don’t root against them and unfairly criticize their product. It’s unfortunate that “the bad guy” has a great product and now we’re in position of having to make a decision to support a guy we don’t like or deprive ourselves of something we know we want. By all means root for chella. Buy any toys you want for any reason you want but if you propagate your biased opinion in a public forum how are you any better than the guy you claim constantly takes the low road. That’s what’s been taking place in this thread. Actually I would argue you have missed my point sir. In this day and age collecting goes beyond just the actual product itself, it’s about companies and those spearheading those said companies, to your point I would agreed that the “bad guy” has a somewhat decent product, however the product is not what I am totally switched off by, it’s who is producing it, and once I seen his interactions with people on this very forum that what made me personally decide not to be in on this line, again take into account all the awesome products that are out there and how we as collectors choose to spend our income, thus we make sure we spend wisely, by investing in the product you invest in the person. Now I can still certainly contribute an opinion on his product and appreciate the good and bad. In addition on a public forum I believe all opinions have merit good and bad and are insightful regardless, including yours, but I can’t control how you perceive things, what I may consider insightful, informative, and evidence based you consider taking the low road and that’s ok. I will be honest in saying I am more of a Chella fan for sure and that includes product and the people running it and if you consider that biased then I will be mindful of that going forward. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2021 6:54:47 GMT -5
Will you preorder the Danhausen on BlackFriday?
After preordering Series 1 and Double J combined with the vague “shipping” update I don’t feel comfortable putting more money down without something in hand. The figure looks sweet but I just have to make a logical investment decision at this point.
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Post by newgenandy on Nov 19, 2021 9:32:20 GMT -5
Will you preorder the Danhausen on BlackFriday? After preordering Series 1 and Double J combined with the vague “shipping” update I don’t feel comfortable putting more money down without something in hand. The figure looks sweet but I just have to make a logical investment decision at this point. Nope Love that Hausen but I’ll support him with shirts etc |
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Post by micco on Nov 19, 2021 12:07:29 GMT -5
Sounds like you’re still missing the point. So what that he’s spoken badly about his competitor. Most of us normally can easily separate the support we give to a company based on our appreciation of the product, and how we might judge them on the basis of morality. That’s why it’s not hard for us to watch wwe despite that companies many unscrupulous dealings. We don’t root against them and unfairly criticize their product. It’s unfortunate that “the bad guy” has a great product and now we’re in position of having to make a decision to support a guy we don’t like or deprive ourselves of something we know we want. By all means root for chella. Buy any toys you want for any reason you want but if you propagate your biased opinion in a public forum how are you any better than the guy you claim constantly takes the low road. That’s what’s been taking place in this thread. Actually I would argue you have missed my point sir. In this day and age collecting goes beyond just the actual product itself, it’s about companies and those spearheading those said companies, to your point I would agreed that the “bad guy” has a somewhat decent product, however the product is not what I am totally switched off by, it’s who is producing it, and once I seen his interactions with people on this very forum that what made me personally decide not to be in on this line, again take into account all the awesome products that are out there and how we as collectors choose to spend our income, thus we make sure we spend wisely, by investing in the product you invest in the person. Now I can still certainly contribute an opinion on his product and appreciate the good and bad. In addition on a public forum I believe all opinions have merit good and bad and are insightful regardless, including yours, but I can’t control how you perceive things, what I may consider insightful, informative, and evidence based you consider taking the low road and that’s ok. I will be honest in saying I am more of a Chella fan for sure and that includes product and the people running it and if you consider that biased then I will be mindful of that going forward. You consider an overtly biased opinion insightful? That’s where we differ. People are spreading their biased opinions about the quality of this guys product because they don’t like him personally to the point of what they’re saying just being untrue. Furthermore, my idea of spending wisely is simply buying the best product. Generally speaking, I’m not in the business of sacrificing the quality of my own collection as a favor to a guy whose product is sub standard but he’s a real nice guy. I don’t take into consideration the personality of the owner of the company because I could easily find fault with every single proprietor if I did enough digging. Nobody is perfect after all. Really, there’s no need to pick a side when you’re of the school of thought I’m from. I’ve bought from all of the small companies and will continue to as long as I’m satisfied with the product. |
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Post by hulkjoegan on Nov 19, 2021 12:31:22 GMT -5
Danhausen figure looks pretty cool….not of interest to me at all personally - but a really toyetic looking figure.
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Post by newgenandy on Nov 19, 2021 13:45:38 GMT -5
The danhausen with photo realistic tattoos will fit in great with Bam bams blue squiggles on his arms
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Post by onlymoc21 on Nov 19, 2021 13:51:26 GMT -5
Actually I would argue you have missed my point sir. In this day and age collecting goes beyond just the actual product itself, it’s about companies and those spearheading those said companies, to your point I would agreed that the “bad guy” has a somewhat decent product, however the product is not what I am totally switched off by, it’s who is producing it, and once I seen his interactions with people on this very forum that what made me personally decide not to be in on this line, again take into account all the awesome products that are out there and how we as collectors choose to spend our income, thus we make sure we spend wisely, by investing in the product you invest in the person. Now I can still certainly contribute an opinion on his product and appreciate the good and bad. In addition on a public forum I believe all opinions have merit good and bad and are insightful regardless, including yours, but I can’t control how you perceive things, what I may consider insightful, informative, and evidence based you consider taking the low road and that’s ok. I will be honest in saying I am more of a Chella fan for sure and that includes product and the people running it and if you consider that biased then I will be mindful of that going forward. You consider an overtly biased opinion insightful? That’s where we differ. People are spreading their biased opinions about the quality of this guys product because they don’t like him personally to the point of what they’re saying just being untrue. Furthermore, my idea of spending wisely is simply buying the best product. Generally speaking, I’m not in the business of sacrificing the quality of my own collection as a favor to a guy whose product is sub standard but he’s a real nice guy. I don’t take into consideration the personality of the owner of the company because I could easily find fault with every single proprietor if I did enough digging. Nobody is perfect after all. Really, there’s no need to pick a side when you’re of the school of thought I’m from. I’ve bought from all of the small companies and will continue to as long as I’m satisfied with the product. No, you consider my opinion biased and that’s fine, I say when ZST has something cool, but due to the owner and his treatment of others morally it’s not something I want to financially support, that is it and it’s that simple, this guy has been a monster to others and he is still in the early stages and I can only imagine what success would do to a personality like that. We are allowed to have different approaches to collecting after all, and if you prefer a product go for it. We can agree to disagree at this point mate. I sincerely wish ZST’s is everything you hope they will be and enjoy the product. |
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Post by newgenandy on Nov 19, 2021 14:26:22 GMT -5
At the end of the day aesthetically these are supposed to fit in with hasbros. They were marketed from day 1 as “a love letter to 90s wrestling figure fans” meaning hasbro - he wasn’t making reference to bend ems, galoobs or toy biz
Other than having a passing resemblance and the original hasbro designer who seemingly had very little interest in the line past it being a day job (just look at the interview with him from a couple of years ago) these imo will not fit in with hasbros. Simple as that, he has missed the mark with them
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Post by britishbrickfan on Nov 19, 2021 15:33:17 GMT -5
so, despite Series 1 being nowhere near in hands, he's already taking pre-orders for Series 2....
outstanding business model there Zombie!! didn't he say he wasn't taking orders for follow-up lines until Series 1 were actually in the hands of buyers??
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