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Post by PJ on Jul 27, 2021 9:13:05 GMT -5
I can see why they take the money first, because if not when it’s time to pay half the people who said they would buy it will pull from it especially if it doesn’t hit the number for them to get everything. So take the money first and then refund it if it doesn’t hit the 5k needed.
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Post by jokerjohn on Jul 27, 2021 9:14:27 GMT -5
The more people wait and say I'll see how the numbers are will put off everyone else with the same logic. If you want this and can afford it now or don't mind your money being on hold back it now. If all the fence sitters get on board the numbers would probably be a lot higher and would motivate more people down the line.
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jul 27, 2021 9:22:08 GMT -5
PayPal not being an option is a killer for me.
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Post by AxelSmackdown on Jul 27, 2021 9:25:12 GMT -5
I can see why they take the money first, because if not when it’s time to pay half the people who said they would buy it will pull from it especially if it doesn’t hit the number for them to get everything. So take the money first and then refund it if it doesn’t hit the 5k needed. Yeah, that’s why I can’t really not defend them taking it upfront. If there’s an option to pay later, there could be a lot of people to not pay it or not have the funds. They could do an autopay thing but that may not work either. Idk lol. |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 27, 2021 9:26:49 GMT -5
I can see why they take the money first, because if not when it’s time to pay half the people who said they would buy it will pull from it especially if it doesn’t hit the number for them to get everything. So take the money first and then refund it if it doesn’t hit the 5k needed. A lot of the Japanese websites I use just have a no refund policy on pre orders. Once you commit, you can’t cancel your order. Alternatively, if they just said, make a down payment of half even, I think this would have lend itself to more people. |
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Post by PJ on Jul 27, 2021 9:39:41 GMT -5
I can see why they take the money first, because if not when it’s time to pay half the people who said they would buy it will pull from it especially if it doesn’t hit the number for them to get everything. So take the money first and then refund it if it doesn’t hit the 5k needed. Alternatively, if they just said, make a down payment of half even, I think this would have lend itself to more people. Right, which they should have the right to do if they order inventory for you and then you just decide to back out. But if they (Mattel) didn’t take the money first then a “No Refunds” would be pointless because nobody had paid anything. So that’s why they need to take the money first as sort of a guarantee to your commitment to back it if they reach the goal number. |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 27, 2021 10:30:10 GMT -5
A lot of the Japanese websites I use just have a no refund policy on pre orders. Once you commit, you can’t cancel your order. Alternatively, if they just said, make a down payment of half even, I think this would have lend itself to more people. Right, which they should have the right to do if they order inventory for you and then you just decide to back out. But if they (Mattel) didn’t take the money first then a “No Refunds” would be pointless because nobody had paid anything. So that’s why they need to take the money first as sort of a guarantee to your commitment to back it if they reach the goal number. Ok, here’s what I left out. You have to pre order using a credit card. Because the overseas websites charge me for pre orders at the time of shipment, For example I have had the Aerith Play Arts Kai figure on pre order from Hobbylink for a year now, they just charged me. And I know I can’t cancel because I tried to because every other website got her in before Hobbylink a month ago haha. What happens is, Mattel gets their money this way, the bank fronts the money and then it’s up to me to pay back my bank. They couldn’t care if I pay them or not because every time I don’t I get charged interest haha. |
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Post by Warriah' on Jul 27, 2021 10:30:27 GMT -5
I can see why they take the money first, because if not when it’s time to pay half the people who said they would buy it will pull from it especially if it doesn’t hit the number for them to get everything. So take the money first and then refund it if it doesn’t hit the 5k needed. Yeah, that’s why I can’t really not defend them taking it upfront. If there’s an option to pay later, there could be a lot of people to not pay it or not have the funds. They could do an autopay thing but that may not work either. Idk lol. You don’t need a “pay later” option. Literally all they needed to do was force you to back with a valid card for it to count, but not touch the money until the campaign was over and it was successfully backed. |
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Post by PJ on Jul 27, 2021 10:36:38 GMT -5
Right, which they should have the right to do if they order inventory for you and then you just decide to back out. But if they (Mattel) didn’t take the money first then a “No Refunds” would be pointless because nobody had paid anything. So that’s why they need to take the money first as sort of a guarantee to your commitment to back it if they reach the goal number. Ok, here’s what I left out. You have to pre order using a credit card. Because the overseas websites charge me for pre orders at the time of shipment, For example I have had the Aerith Play Arts Kai figure on pre order from Hobbylink for a year now, they just charged me. And I know I can’t cancel because I tried to because every other website got her in before Hobbylink a month ago haha. What happens is, Mattel gets their money this way, the bank fronts the money and then it’s up to me to pay back my bank. They couldn’t care if I pay them or not because every time I don’t I get charged interest haha. Yeah I use AmiAmi for my Mafex purchases. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 27, 2021 10:38:04 GMT -5
Yeah, that’s why I can’t really not defend them taking it upfront. If there’s an option to pay later, there could be a lot of people to not pay it or not have the funds. They could do an autopay thing but that may not work either. Idk lol. You don’t need a “pay later” option. Literally all they needed to do was force you to back with a valid card for it to count, but not touch the money until the campaign was over and it was successfully backed. Literally exactly like Hasbro does it. This is a goofy debate. HasLab does it correctly. Mattel does not. End of conversation. |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 27, 2021 10:41:41 GMT -5
Ok, here’s what I left out. You have to pre order using a credit card. Because the overseas websites charge me for pre orders at the time of shipment, For example I have had the Aerith Play Arts Kai figure on pre order from Hobbylink for a year now, they just charged me. And I know I can’t cancel because I tried to because every other website got her in before Hobbylink a month ago haha. What happens is, Mattel gets their money this way, the bank fronts the money and then it’s up to me to pay back my bank. They couldn’t care if I pay them or not because every time I don’t I get charged interest haha. Yeah I use AmiAmi for my Mafex purchases. Ok, so you know what’s up then. I don’t know man, at the end of the day, I have said it as perfectly as I can express myself in earlier posts, if it was something worth while, I don’t think people would question anything. You can charge people a kidney and people would rationalize, “well, I do have 2”. |
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Post by PJ on Jul 27, 2021 10:43:12 GMT -5
Right, which they should have the right to do if they order inventory for you and then you just decide to back out. But if they (Mattel) didn’t take the money first then a “No Refunds” would be pointless because nobody had paid anything. So that’s why they need to take the money first as sort of a guarantee to your commitment to back it if they reach the goal number. Ok, here’s what I left out. You have to pre order using a credit card. Because the overseas websites charge me for pre orders at the time of shipment, For example I have had the Aerith Play Arts Kai figure on pre order from Hobbylink for a year now, they just charged me. And I know I can’t cancel because I tried to because every other website got her in before Hobbylink a month ago haha. What happens is, Mattel gets their money this way, the bank fronts the money and then it’s up to me to pay back my bank. They couldn’t care if I pay them or not because every time I don’t I get charged interest haha. Yeah I use AmiAmi for my Mafex purchases. But still if Mattel did that someone can see a week leading up to the end of the month that it’s reaches the 5K, but it’s not going to go to the next tier and then cancel it because there still isn’t a no refund clause. Taking the money up front is the best way to guarantee your commitment regardless of what tier it reaches. |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 27, 2021 10:47:07 GMT -5
Ok, here’s what I left out. You have to pre order using a credit card. Because the overseas websites charge me for pre orders at the time of shipment, For example I have had the Aerith Play Arts Kai figure on pre order from Hobbylink for a year now, they just charged me. And I know I can’t cancel because I tried to because every other website got her in before Hobbylink a month ago haha. What happens is, Mattel gets their money this way, the bank fronts the money and then it’s up to me to pay back my bank. They couldn’t care if I pay them or not because every time I don’t I get charged interest haha. Yeah I use AmiAmi for my Mafex purchases. But still if Mattel did that someone can see a week leading up to the end of the month that it’s reaches the 5K, but it’s not going to go to the next tier and then cancel it because there still isn’t a no refund clause. Taking the money up front is the best way to guarantee your commitment regardless of what tier it reaches. Well what I’m saying is, The overseas websites do the very thing I’m saying. You have to pre order with a credit card, and you can’t cancel. That’s said up front, if you aren’t sure, don’t pre order I guess. I’m literally doing it right now with my Final Fantasy Play Arts. I wanted to cancel them because the American sites OF COURSE, are getting them in first. Can’t cancel, once you commit, like I said, they’ll get there money one way or another from my bank and then it’s up to me to pay back my bank. |
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Post by Warriah' on Jul 27, 2021 10:50:05 GMT -5
You don’t need a “pay later” option. Literally all they needed to do was force you to back with a valid card for it to count, but not touch the money until the campaign was over and it was successfully backed. Literally exactly like Hasbro does it. This is a goofy debate. HasLab does it correctly. Mattel does not. End of conversation. I’ve backed two crowdfunded campaigns before and they didn’t take the money until it was over. It’s not a dealbreaker for me backing, I will just back in the last 2-3 days. But it’s a massive mistake because plenty of people will see they take the payment right away and won’t bother checking back in the last few days and back. I feel like this may cross 5000, but the decision to take payment straight away probably cost us Doink. |
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Post by PJ on Jul 27, 2021 10:55:00 GMT -5
Yeah I use AmiAmi for my Mafex purchases. But still if Mattel did that someone can see a week leading up to the end of the month that it’s reaches the 5K, but it’s not going to go to the next tier and then cancel it because there still isn’t a no refund clause. Taking the money up front is the best way to guarantee your commitment regardless of what tier it reaches. Well what I’m saying is, The overseas websites do the very thing I’m saying. You have to pre order with a credit card, and you can’t cancel. That’s said up front, if you aren’t sure, don’t pre order I guess. I’m literally doing it right now with my Final Fantasy Play Arts. I wanted to cancel them because the American sites OF COURSE, are getting them in first. Can’t cancel, once you commit, like I said, they’ll get there money one way or another from my bank and then it’s up to me to pay back my bank. I get what you are saying and they should do that. But can you imagine if Mattel put a “no refund” stipulation if it hits the base 5K backing? Everyone would be up and arms and just refuse to fund it. |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 27, 2021 11:07:47 GMT -5
Well what I’m saying is, The overseas websites do the very thing I’m saying. You have to pre order with a credit card, and you can’t cancel. That’s said up front, if you aren’t sure, don’t pre order I guess. I’m literally doing it right now with my Final Fantasy Play Arts. I wanted to cancel them because the American sites OF COURSE, are getting them in first. Can’t cancel, once you commit, like I said, they’ll get there money one way or another from my bank and then it’s up to me to pay back my bank. I get what you are saying and they should do that. But can you imagine if Mattel put a “no refund” stipulation if it hits the base 5K backing? Everyone would be up and arms and just refuse to fund it. No no, they have to refund you if it doesn’t reach the goal, i mean otherwise ABSOLUTELY nobody would ever back these things EVER haha I mean, there still has to be parameters. If my Final Fantasy Play Arts get canceled and are never made, of course they’d refund me, the item wasn’t produced. If it doesn’t reach the advanced tiers though and then people wanna complain, that’s a different story. You gotta know going in that hey this thing may not make it to Doink, that’s the risk you run. If you only want Doink, just go to eBay after the release, I’m sure he’ll be $250 haha. |
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Post by alkohal on Jul 27, 2021 11:18:11 GMT -5
PayPal not being an option is a killer for me. Just get the paypal debit card and use that. |
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Post by PJ on Jul 27, 2021 11:30:36 GMT -5
I get what you are saying and they should do that. But can you imagine if Mattel put a “no refund” stipulation if it hits the base 5K backing? Everyone would be up and arms and just refuse to fund it. No no, they have to refund you if it doesn’t reach the goal, i mean otherwise ABSOLUTELY nobody would ever back these things EVER haha I mean, there still has to be parameters. If my Final Fantasy Play Arts get canceled and are never made, of course they’d refund me, the item wasn’t produced. If it doesn’t reach the advanced tiers though and then people wanna complain, that’s a different story. You gotta know going in that hey this thing may not make it to Doink, that’s the risk you run. If you only want Doink, just go to eBay after the release, I’m sure he’ll be $250 haha. No, I know that they’ll get a refund if it’s 5K isn’t met. That’s why I said “No refund” stipulation if they reached the tier one 5K. Because you and I know if all the people funding it are going to get is the base package there’s going to be a ton of people who are going to want to back out. Because already people are complaining in the Ask AFA, SDCC and the official threads about wanting them to add more stuff for the base tier. So if they (Mattel) were to go the “No refund” if it reaches tier one then people wouldn’t order because they want everything. And if Mattel didn’t charge right away without a “no refund” stipulation @ 5K people will be canceling during the final week of funding, because they aren’t getting all tiers. I just don’t see it working otherwise without taking the funds first and refunding if they don’t reach the 5K goal. |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 27, 2021 11:36:45 GMT -5
No no, they have to refund you if it doesn’t reach the goal, i mean otherwise ABSOLUTELY nobody would ever back these things EVER haha I mean, there still has to be parameters. If my Final Fantasy Play Arts get canceled and are never made, of course they’d refund me, the item wasn’t produced. If it doesn’t reach the advanced tiers though and then people wanna complain, that’s a different story. You gotta know going in that hey this thing may not make it to Doink, that’s the risk you run. If you only want Doink, just go to eBay after the release, I’m sure he’ll be $250 haha. No, I know that they’ll get a refund if it’s 5K isn’t met. That’s why I said “No refund” stipulation if they reached the tier one 5K. Because you and I know if all the people funding it are going to get is the base package there’s going to be a ton of people who are going to want to back out. Because already people are complaining in the Ask AFA, SDCC and the official threads about wanting them to add more stuff for the base tier. So if they (Mattel) were to go the “No refund” if it reaches tier one then people wouldn’t order because they want everything. And if Mattel didn’t charge right away without a “no refund” stipulation @ 5K people will be canceling during the final week of funding, because they aren’t getting all tiers. I just don’t see it working otherwise without taking the funds first and refunding if they don’t reach the 5K goal. I gotcha, I see what you’re saying. The basis of the issue really comes down to, they needed to offer all the current tiers in the first tier to have the necessary value, at least that’s what people seem to agree on. This is also why Hasbro doesn’t reveal the tiers right out of the gate. You gotta get people to agree to the base first, then introduce the tiers. Right now, yea you’re right, people only think the whole package is worth the $250 because I think more people want the Doink than they want the ring. |
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Post by bababooey on Jul 27, 2021 11:41:42 GMT -5
Ok, here’s what I left out. You have to pre order using a credit card. Because the overseas websites charge me for pre orders at the time of shipment, For example I have had the Aerith Play Arts Kai figure on pre order from Hobbylink for a year now, they just charged me. And I know I can’t cancel because I tried to because every other website got her in before Hobbylink a month ago haha. What happens is, Mattel gets their money this way, the bank fronts the money and then it’s up to me to pay back my bank. They couldn’t care if I pay them or not because every time I don’t I get charged interest haha. Yeah I use AmiAmi for my Mafex purchases. But still if Mattel did that someone can see a week leading up to the end of the month that it’s reaches the 5K, but it’s not going to go to the next tier and then cancel it because there still isn’t a no refund clause. Taking the money up front is the best way to guarantee your commitment regardless of what tier it reaches. It would be completely fair for someone to pull their backing a week before if they don’t think it’s going to get to the tier they want. It’s completely fair for someone to pull their backing fir any reason before the campaign is over. Mattel wouldn’t be losing anything from that, since they wouldn’t go into production unless the campaign is funded. I backed Galactus and later decided I didn’t really want it. I cancelled my backing with zero issue. It was a completely simple process, no questions asked. When you back the project, the agreement is that you have the time of the campaign to back, back out, or edit. Once the campaign ends, you’re locked in at where you were when it ended. If you were a backer when it ends, the money is automatically pulled. If you weren’t a backer? It’s too late to decide you want to back it. That’s how every Haslab and Kickstarter works. What could be happening here is Mattel takes the money upfront and probably invests it and makes some interest. If the project doesn’t fund, they’ll give you your money back, but they’ve already gotten the interest they made on the investments. Also, money is always worth more today than it is tomorrow. With current inflation rates, that $250 will get you further today than it will a month from now. |
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