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Post by Nivro™ on Sept 20, 2021 19:40:00 GMT -5
Nivro™ Jakks made 2 CS style Stings, a Legends of the Ring Venice Beach Sting in blue/orange and a Crow Sting that was a Walgreens exclusive. I excluded them & the Terry Taylor they made since "technically" it wasnt the CS line. In the same term I didnt give Mattel credit for APA Bradshaw or Harlem Heat Booker T because Jakks made them in their RA line. I think thats something we dont consider is that a lot of "Legends" now were still RA line guys like Edge, Christian, Cena, Booker Etc. |
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Post by stc13 on Sept 20, 2021 20:09:23 GMT -5
Nivro™ Jakks made 2 CS style Stings, a Legends of the Ring Venice Beach Sting in blue/orange and a Crow Sting that was a Walgreens exclusive. I excluded them & the Terry Taylor they made since "technically" it wasnt the CS line. In the same term I didnt give Mattel credit for APA Bradshaw or Harlem Heat Booker T because Jakks made them in their RA line. I think thats something we dont consider is that a lot of "Legends" now were still RA line guys like Edge, Christian, Cena, Booker Etc. Really good point about RA sort of "aging in" to legends status. It's not an era I collect actively, but even with them making a bunch of figures from that period recently, it's still a very top heavy roster. While most of that is beyond Mattel's control, I'm amazed we haven't gotten a WGTT Shelton given how long he's been under contract. For me, a collection needs to have those midcard staples and tag teams. Maybe that's just me. But I would be a lot more bothered if my early 90's collection didn't have Honky or the Hart Foundation than I've been waiting years for a Hogan from that era. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2021 21:57:53 GMT -5
Then why should they make anybody now not named Rollins, Reigns etc? Like they’re making a Goon, Chief Jay Strongbow, they’ve made Mae Young, D-Lo Brown, BushWhackers, Warlord. The mid carders seem to sell better than the ones they make over and over and over. They’re making these lower card stars in much lower quantities, so the collectors that want them can get them, and the majority of buyers that want the top guys can get them too. Remember, this is still an action figure line mostly supported by the younger crowd, not us. Every day another kid gets old enough to want his or her first Roman Reigns figure. Sometimes the stores order too much for the demand, while other times they might order the same amount and nothing warms the pegs. There’s no exact science to making it work, just trends that manufacturers and distributors try and follow. And let’s stop with the scalping argument. Now more than ever it’s mostly about the quantity produced, not the figure itself. Some of these people might not even follow that particular brand, but frequent forums like this one to see what we’re all excited about so they know what to go hunting for to try and turn a profit. But most legends sell better than the guys wrestling now. That’s why you see wwe having to bring back legends just to get viewers. Wwe isn’t what it was in the 90s and early 2000s .that’s why wwe is dying a slow death, which I think aew will speed that up over the next several years |
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Post by viper412 on Sept 20, 2021 22:44:51 GMT -5
I’d trade in all those FTITL guys for Sabu, Taz and Lance Storm
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Post by SteveHulk on Sept 20, 2021 23:14:54 GMT -5
List of Jakks Only wrestlers with no Mattel releases. (Note: this is wrestler NOT character)List of Mattel only wrestler with no JAKKS release (Excluding post WWE Legends line)There's some name(s) in that JAKKS list Id love to have...But outside of The Goon there isnt a name on that Mattel list I would remove to be replaced. (I could be missing someone but this was just off the top of my head & looking at my collection) In terms of "must-haves" (for me), Mattel wins it fairly easily. I don't think Kurt Angle had a release in Jakks CS either(?) |
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Post by CM Tusk on Sept 20, 2021 23:18:39 GMT -5
Collectors that still don’t know how this all works seems more like the problem.
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Post by wheeljack83 on Sept 21, 2021 1:24:29 GMT -5
IMHO it's not a single problem. It's multiple problems and multiple parties at fault.
Whether it's Mattel or retailers or producers or distributors, there's a big problem with distribution, availability, and accessibility, especially online.
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Post by Matt Culture on Sept 21, 2021 5:11:35 GMT -5
In light of everything that has transpired lately, it is clear, the WWE is to blame for lack of characters in the line. I imagine they must frustrate Mattel's creative beyond belief. They probably only contract the cheapest legends and past superstars. They once allowed Jakks to pursue talent. Now we get Beefcake and Doink and Scott hall rehashes. My zeal for this line is waning with the lack of legends or past wrestlers. My wife and my wallet thank the WWE for this. The competition is going to take the lead which, quite frankly, is the best thing possible right now. Only when the WWE is losing will it change it's ways. SO WWE hired mattel to make WWE Figures, which they do, they (Mattel) are under no obligation to cater to what the fans needs are, just what the WWE wants. perhaps when you get a business degree, you will fully understand how business relationships work. |
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Post by Matt Culture on Sept 21, 2021 5:14:04 GMT -5
please, look at the entire picture. look at the list of the Legends Mattel HAS made. its enormous. They don't got Owen Hart, advantage AEW. But is it, Owens entire Wrestling career was WWE and Stampede and WWE owns the likeness and copyright to all those looks. so its going to be a real challenge for JAZWARES to make outfits that do not infringe on WWE |
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Post by Matt Culture on Sept 21, 2021 5:15:04 GMT -5
Nivro™ Jakks made 2 CS style Stings, a Legends of the Ring Venice Beach Sting in blue/orange and a Crow Sting that was a Walgreens exclusive. That was when Jakks was producing the TNA line, not WWE |
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Post by Matt Culture on Sept 21, 2021 5:16:35 GMT -5
List of Jakks Only wrestlers with no Mattel releases. (Note: this is wrestler NOT character)List of Mattel only wrestler with no JAKKS release (Excluding post WWE Legends line)There's some name(s) in that JAKKS list Id love to have...But outside of The Goon there isnt a name on that Mattel list I would remove to be replaced. (I could be missing someone but this was just off the top of my head & looking at my collection) In terms of "must-haves" (for me), Mattel wins it fairly easily. I don't think Kurt Angle had a release in Jakks CS either(?) When Jakks had the license, Kurt wasnt considered a Class, he was active roster |
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 21, 2021 7:59:04 GMT -5
The decision to only go through the Legends deals is on Mattel. Maybe that directive initially came from WWE, and then I'm willing to say that's on WWE. Until then, Mattel's inability to pursue talent independently of WWE Legends deals, like Jakks before them, is the biggest mistake Mattel has made.
That doesn't take away from the work they've done for ten years. We've gotten tons of great figures. But this problem we face has existed for several years now and it's a self inflicted wound. Maybe if I ever saw Harley Race, or Gorilla hanging on a store peg I'd feel differently.
I honestly don't really care about the reason. It's not important. I'm an end consumer. Put out good sh*t so I can buy it. Mattel's answer to not having cool new sh*t was to add a butterfly joint and make you re-buy all of the sh*t you already had. It's working. Good on them. Doesn't change the fact we've hit a brick wall in roster building.
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Post by Nivro™ on Sept 21, 2021 10:12:10 GMT -5
List of Jakks Only wrestlers with no Mattel releases. (Note: this is wrestler NOT character)List of Mattel only wrestler with no JAKKS release (Excluding post WWE Legends line)There's some name(s) in that JAKKS list Id love to have...But outside of The Goon there isnt a name on that Mattel list I would remove to be replaced. (I could be missing someone but this was just off the top of my head & looking at my collection) In terms of "must-haves" (for me), Mattel wins it fairly easily. I don't think Kurt Angle had a release in Jakks CS either(?) He didn't but there were quite a few RA releases. |
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Post by Artie Kendall on Sept 21, 2021 10:58:55 GMT -5
Mattel in the beginning had direct deals and and WWE killed it off. This was confirmed twice by Steve in the Q&A that it's on WWE and not Mattel for direct deals being done away with: Is the practice of only producing figures of wrestlers under Legends contracts due to an internal corporate decision or a licensor mandate? The licensor currently wants to handle deals with Legends. It’s their IP/brand so it’s their call. Would you guys ever consider making special exceptions to the rule of only using guys WWE has contracts with? I’m thinking very specifically of CM Punk with this question, not low level guys like Val Venis or Test That’s out of our control. It’s the wishes of the licensor, not ours. There has also been a rumor going around that WWE stopped 2K as well with making deals starting WWE 2K20. The two games that this affected so far were WWE 2K20 and Battlegrounds. Look at the Legends roster for both games and you'll notice that almost every wrestler has had a figure released within the past few years with the exception of Molly Holly. 2K20 Legends: Andre The Giant Batista Beth Phoenix Big Boss Man Booker T Bret Hart Brutus Beefcake Christian Chyna Diesel Dusty Rhodes Eddie Guerrero Edge Goldberg Hulk Hogan Jake Roberts Jerry Lawler Jim Neidhart Kane Kevin Nash Kurt Angle Lita Mankind Mark Henry Molly Holly Mr.McMachon Papa Shango Randy Savage Razor Ramon Ric Flair Ricky Steamboat Roddy Piper Scott Hall Steve Austin Sting Ted Dibiase The Rock Triple H Trish Stratus Ultimate Warrior Undertaker X-Pac
Battlegrounds: Alundra Blayze Andre The Giant Batista Beth Phoenix Big Boss Man Booker T Bret Hart British Bulldog Cactus Jack Christian Chyna Diesel Doink The Clown Earthquake Eddie Guerrero Edge Hulk Hogan Jake Roberts Jim Neidhart Kane Lita Mr.Perfect Randy Savage Razor Ramon Ric Flair Ricky Steamboat Roddy Piper Sgt.Slaughter Shawn Michaels Sting Stone Cold The Rock The Undertaker Typhoon Ultimate Warrior Vader Yokozuna So I guess we are due for another Mr.Perfect and Typhoon. Unless they were announced and I missed it. |
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Post by The Real Chillary on Sept 21, 2021 11:03:11 GMT -5
They probably don’t see any financial gain in most of the legends and past superstars. These jobbers from the past that people want figures of most likely aren’t going to sell merch well, so why would WWE waste time trying and wasting money creating the merch if they can’t make a profit? That’s why they bring Goldberg back. He sells, he makes them profit. Like The Goon right? *Biggest eyeroll gif imaginable* |
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Post by mrmonkeyofficial on Sept 21, 2021 11:27:05 GMT -5
I think Mattel has made all the legends they are able to right now, when you look at the list of legends Mattel has made, they've pretty much already made most of the biggest names, that's why the legends line is mostly people they've already made, the biggest names left are probably Dynamite Kid, Jeff Jarrett, Haku, The Steiners etc.
Jazwares is gonna make Owen Hart, Mattel never will, that's gonna be the closest we'll get to a Mattel Owen Hart
a lot of the people that jakks made are probably never gonna get another figure, you don't see a lot of people asking for a Mattel Johnny Rodz, or a Mattel Tank Abbott, it's cool that jakks made those guys, but that was because Jakks could sign guys they wanted to make, I don't think WWE is offering legends contracts to guys like that, but considering The Goon got one, who knows
I'd love to see some of those guys, but i don't see it happening anytime soon
I think eventually we could get guys like Lou Albano, Mr.Fuji, Haku and more, it's just a matter of when
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Sept 21, 2021 11:54:21 GMT -5
I think Mattel has made all the legends they are able to right now, when you look at the list of legends Mattel has made, they've pretty much already made most of the biggest names, that's why the legends line is mostly people they've already made, the biggest names left are probably Dynamite Kid, Jeff Jarrett, Haku, The Steiners etc. Jazwares is gonna make Owen Hart, Mattel never will, that's gonna be the closest we'll get to a Mattel Owen Hart a lot of the people that jakks made are probably never gonna get another figure, you don't see a lot of people asking for a Mattel Johnny Rodz, or a Mattel Tank Abbott, it's cool that jakks made those guys, but that was because Jakks could sign guys they wanted to make, I don't think WWE is offering legends contracts to guys like that, but considering The Goon got one, who knows I'd love to see some of those guys, but i don't see it happening anytime soon I think eventually we could get guys like Lou Albano, Mr.Fuji, Haku and more, it's just a matter of when The problem imo is 2 fold. Firstly when they have people they drag ass and lose out on in demand figures either because they drag their feet and the person is gone before the make it or because they do looks no one asked for, perfect examples being Camo Adam Cole, King Harley being made once and Shield Angle. We never got a RA Angle with Undisputed or even WHC. The other is they have access to people and chose not to make them, I've mentioned it recently but how has Mattel had the liscenes for 10 years and made 1 RA JBL and it's not even his world title run, hell if you love New Gen so much recently why not a Justin Hawk Bradshaw or since they love making half of tag teams, Blackjack Bradshaw. Guys like Regal, MVP, or Shelton have flashback potential and they again just don't do it, then you have Rey Mysterio and you've barely touched his RA looks. |
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Post by jokerjohn on Sept 21, 2021 12:21:59 GMT -5
I think what's happening now is that there are alot of people who won't sign deals because of past animosity or the structure of the contract and for WWE they don't see value in others names. I think some of this could potentially change in the future if they notice that AEW is actively signing and profiting off older stars. This may cause WWE to change their stance on contracts or who they want to counter act that.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Sept 21, 2021 12:36:10 GMT -5
They’re making these lower card stars in much lower quantities, so the collectors that want them can get them, and the majority of buyers that want the top guys can get them too. Remember, this is still an action figure line mostly supported by the younger crowd, not us. Every day another kid gets old enough to want his or her first Roman Reigns figure. Sometimes the stores order too much for the demand, while other times they might order the same amount and nothing warms the pegs. There’s no exact science to making it work, just trends that manufacturers and distributors try and follow. And let’s stop with the scalping argument. Now more than ever it’s mostly about the quantity produced, not the figure itself. Some of these people might not even follow that particular brand, but frequent forums like this one to see what we’re all excited about so they know what to go hunting for to try and turn a profit. But most legends sell better than the guys wrestling now. That’s why you see wwe having to bring back legends just to get viewers. Wwe isn’t what it was in the 90s and early 2000s .that’s why wwe is dying a slow death, which I think aew will speed that up over the next several years I’d like to see the evidence that the legends figures sell better at retail. They’re produced in smaller quantities for the collectors like us. Just because they make 1/3rd less and it sells out doesn’t mean it’ll do as well as quantities like the regular elite line. Look at the first legends line that was canceled. I can go on the Target app and order everyone from the current legends line except for Macho, and I could’ve gotten him last week. WWE does legends nights for a boost in ratings, this is true. But the typical fan is hoping for a Rock or Austin, probably not the Goon or BoogieMan. And sorry, but they’re not dying a slow death either. If Fox decides to cancel them at the end of their multi-million dollar contract you might be onto something. I’m excited for AEW’s future, but they’re already starting to hit some of those same pitfalls that all the feds run into, so we’ll see. As for WWE telling Mattel they couldn’t go after unapproved legends, I can’t say that’s a bad thing for them from a PR standpoint. The way all the terrible things these guys have done or are doing is being shown on social media, it’s just easier for Vince to say “we’re currently not connected to this person” and be done with it. It sucks for those of us that want a uniform look to our collection, but it is what it is. The most recent episode of “Dark side…” is really creating waves as it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 13:16:59 GMT -5
But most legends sell better than the guys wrestling now. That’s why you see wwe having to bring back legends just to get viewers. Wwe isn’t what it was in the 90s and early 2000s .that’s why wwe is dying a slow death, which I think aew will speed that up over the next several years I’d like to see the evidence that the legends figures sell better at retail. They’re produced in smaller quantities for the collectors like us. Just because they make 1/3rd less and it sells out doesn’t mean it’ll do as well as quantities like the regular elite line. Look at the first legends line that was canceled. I can go on the Target app and order everyone from the current legends line except for Macho, and I could’ve gotten him last week. WWE does legends nights for a boost in ratings, this is true. But the typical fan is hoping for a Rock or Austin, probably not the Goon or BoogieMan. And sorry, but they’re not dying a slow death either. If Fox decides to cancel them at the end of their multi-million dollar contract you might be onto something. I’m excited for AEW’s future, but they’re already starting to hit some of those same pitfalls that all the feds run into, so we’ll see. As for WWE telling Mattel they couldn’t go after unapproved legends, I can’t say that’s a bad thing for them from a PR standpoint. The way all the terrible things these guys have done or are doing is being shown on social media, it’s just easier for Vince to say “we’re currently not connected to this person” and be done with it. It sucks for those of us that want a uniform look to our collection, but it is what it is. The most recent episode of “Dark side…” is really creating waves as it is. I don’t watch wrestling anymore, but I’m not going to argue about it because it’s a dumb argument. But what I do know is everytime RS releases it’s top 10 best sellers, it’s usually always a legend or AEW figure, with exception of sometimes a FTITL wwe elite. Legends line may of or may have not been cancelled because they didn’t sell well, or it may be the fact it was a TRU exclusive and nobody cares for TRU, or has a TRU close to them, or that when they do go to TRU they never had anything they wanted, or they were priced to high. In my case, closest TRU was 45 min away, next complaint they NEVER had anything new, and if they did it was priced at like $21? I think can’t remember. But yeah. I’m sure that’s why legends line is selling better now is because it’s Target and Target is more wide spread and easier to get than the TRU stuff. And for WWE, it’s funny how we all keep hearing how they’re gonna sell the company, their ratings are low, aew imhas higher ratings blah blah blah, idk I don’t watch it and don’t care for it, lost interest in the bad acting years ago, but I can I don’t see a WWE in the next 10 years. Again, my opinion. |
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