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Post by disorder on Sept 21, 2021 19:34:51 GMT -5
Gotta love all the ant-wwe crap around lately.
Stop watching and stop buying their products if they upset you this much
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Sept 21, 2021 20:40:39 GMT -5
I’d like to see the evidence that the legends figures sell better at retail. They’re produced in smaller quantities for the collectors like us. Just because they make 1/3rd less and it sells out doesn’t mean it’ll do as well as quantities like the regular elite line. Look at the first legends line that was canceled. I can go on the Target app and order everyone from the current legends line except for Macho, and I could’ve gotten him last week. WWE does legends nights for a boost in ratings, this is true. But the typical fan is hoping for a Rock or Austin, probably not the Goon or BoogieMan. And sorry, but they’re not dying a slow death either. If Fox decides to cancel them at the end of their multi-million dollar contract you might be onto something. I’m excited for AEW’s future, but they’re already starting to hit some of those same pitfalls that all the feds run into, so we’ll see. As for WWE telling Mattel they couldn’t go after unapproved legends, I can’t say that’s a bad thing for them from a PR standpoint. The way all the terrible things these guys have done or are doing is being shown on social media, it’s just easier for Vince to say “we’re currently not connected to this person” and be done with it. It sucks for those of us that want a uniform look to our collection, but it is what it is. The most recent episode of “Dark side…” is really creating waves as it is. I don’t watch wrestling anymore, but I’m not going to argue about it because it’s a dumb argument. But what I do know is everytime RS releases it’s top 10 best sellers, it’s usually always a legend or AEW figure, with exception of sometimes a FTITL wwe elite. Legends line may of or may have not been cancelled because they didn’t sell well, or it may be the fact it was a TRU exclusive and nobody cares for TRU, or has a TRU close to them, or that when they do go to TRU they never had anything they wanted, or they were priced to high. In my case, closest TRU was 45 min away, next complaint they NEVER had anything new, and if they did it was priced at like $21? I think can’t remember. But yeah. I’m sure that’s why legends line is selling better now is because it’s Target and Target is more wide spread and easier to get than the TRU stuff. And for WWE, it’s funny how we all keep hearing how they’re gonna sell the company, their ratings are low, aew imhas higher ratings blah blah blah, idk I don’t watch it and don’t care for it, lost interest in the bad acting years ago, but I can I don’t see a WWE in the next 10 years. Again, my opinion. It’s not an argument or speculation. These are facts. RSC is an online specialty store for collectors. Walmart and Target sell the vast majority of these toy lines and mostly to the younger generations. Every Jakks or Mattel rep to come on this or any other forum has said that we make up a much smaller portion of their business, but they recognize the need to appease us by giving us these figures in hopes to expand it. Adults with disposable incomes buy from RSC because it’s a guarantee to find the lesser made figures. I don’t know about you, but I rarely see AEW figures in the wild because Jazwares isn’t making them in the quantities Mattel is. |
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Post by newgenandy on Sept 22, 2021 6:22:29 GMT -5
Who haven’t Mattel done who collectors are:
1. Desperate to have / would be a grail
2. Would like to have
3. Not fussed but may potentially buy depending on how the figure turns out
Most would fall into number 3, possibly a handful in number 2. Very few I would guess genuinely fall into number 1.
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on Sept 22, 2021 6:35:53 GMT -5
Plenty of legends I want from the Attitude era haven't been made and it's looking likely majority won't be made. Even majority of WCW legends from the Monday night wars won't be made which is crap..😔
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Post by qdogg on Sept 22, 2021 16:30:35 GMT -5
They just released like 100 guys/gals from their various rosters in the last year so signing guys is obviously not a priority and the older wrestlers don't want a legends deal because it doesn't pay enough.
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Post by newgenandy on Sept 22, 2021 16:52:29 GMT -5
The repetition is getting so tired. Top of my list are guys like ... Jesse Ventura, Hercules, Haku, FULL sets of classic tag teams like the Bulldogs, Killer Bees, Islanders, Powers of Pain, etc. Plus the classic managers like Mr. Fuji, Slick, Captain Lou, etc. I just want to fill in the holes from the golden era. And that's just my own completely selfish wanting. I know a ton of collectors want rereleases of LOD, Demolition, Bundy and others. That said, I basically have no real expectation that these figures will happen. You say classic teams, killer bees were together just under 3 years and the islanders under 2. No titles and very little to nothing of note done. These teams were not the classic teams people think they are on the scheme of things - they’re footnotes and nostalgia makes people think otherwise. LOD (2x tag champs and hof in wwe alone but countless other titles reigns around the world snd promotions snd hof entries) Hart foundation (2 x tag champs and hof inductees) Nasty boys (wwf tag champs and again countless others across different promotions) Demolition (3x tag champs and countless other awards snd until new day beat it longest reigning tag champs) These are clsssic tag teams. Realistically killer bees etc are as ‘classic’ as the new foundation. Even teams or wrestlers who didn’t win a title back when titles changed hands more infrequent are recognised in some way be that the cauliflower alley club awards, PWI awards, observer awards or one of the many hall of games out there in the wrestling world. You can’t blame wwe for not wanting to go through the hassle of signing killer bees for the 12 people who may want a figure when they’re smashing earnings records and have people signed who will shift crazy numbers of merch even today the austin 3:16 and nwo merch are top sellers - how many people want a killer bees shirt? Supply and demand - no demand = no supply |
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Post by LA Times on Sept 22, 2021 17:04:32 GMT -5
The repetition is getting so tired. Top of my list are guys like ... Jesse Ventura, Hercules, Haku, FULL sets of classic tag teams like the Bulldogs, Killer Bees, Islanders, Powers of Pain, etc. Plus the classic managers like Mr. Fuji, Slick, Captain Lou, etc. I just want to fill in the holes from the golden era. And that's just my own completely selfish wanting. I know a ton of collectors want rereleases of LOD, Demolition, Bundy and others. That said, I basically have no real expectation that these figures will happen. You say classic teams, killer bees were together just under 3 years and the islanders under 2. No titles and very little to nothing of note done. These teams were not the classic teams people think they are on the scheme of things - they’re footnotes and nostalgia makes people think otherwise. LOD (2x tag champs and hof in wwe alone but countless other titles reigns around the world snd promotions snd hof entries) Hart foundation (2 x tag champs and hof inductees) Nasty boys (wwf tag champs and again countless others across different promotions) Demolition (3x tag champs and countless other awards snd until new day beat it longest reigning tag champs) These are clsssic tag teams. Realistically killer bees etc are as ‘classic’ as the new foundation. Even teams or wrestlers who didn’t win a title back when titles changed hands more infrequent are recognised in some way be that the cauliflower alley club awards, PWI awards, observer awards or one of the many hall of games out there in the wrestling world. You can’t blame wwe for not wanting to go through the hassle of signing killer bees for the 12 people who may want a figure when they’re smashing earnings records and have people signed who will shift crazy numbers of merch even today the austin 3:16 and nwo merch are top sellers - how many people want a killer bees shirt? Supply and demand - no demand = no supply Its like the one guy on here who keeps asking for Beverly Brothers figures. Bill himself put the kibosh on that in a Q&A for the same reasons you mentioned and the guy still keeps asking for them. |
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Post by viper412 on Sept 22, 2021 17:28:20 GMT -5
Mattel is a big problem too
They keep pumping out New Gen stuff when barely anybody wants it. They wait until the last second to do stuff then it’s too late, but when they can actually do it, we’re supposed to be hyped (see Camo Cole and Hollywood Hogan). They have many people signed they can easily make figures people want but decide to do what they want and think is cool. They say they want to make stuff that is “toyetic” but they just make irrelevant characters from 35 years ago. We got Goon and Kama but no RA Rey Mysterio or MVP, you’ve gotta be kidding me that’s ridiculous. No 04-07 Kane or Undertaker either. Wack
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Post by HardyKOfan01 on Sept 22, 2021 20:38:32 GMT -5
Mattel is a big problem too They keep pumping out New Gen stuff when barely anybody wants it. They wait until the last second to do stuff then it’s too late, but when they can actually do it, we’re supposed to be hyped (see Camo Cole and Hollywood Hogan). They have many people signed they can easily make figures people want but decide to do what they want and think is cool. They say they want to make stuff that is “toyetic” but they just make irrelevant characters from 35 years ago. We got Goon and Kama but no RA Rey Mysterio or MVP, you’ve gotta be kidding me that’s ridiculous. No 04-07 Kane or Undertaker either. Wack Jeff Hardy returned to WWE in 2017 and we didn’t get a Team Xtreme era Jeff until this year. We still have yet to get a Lemmy beard Triple H. Still no RA era HBK in tights. And don’t even get me started on how badly Mattel missed the opportunity to give us flashback Dudleys and a Team Xtreme era Matt Hardy or more RA Matt’s. |
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Post by arthur214 on Sept 22, 2021 21:00:44 GMT -5
Mattel is a big problem too They keep pumping out New Gen stuff when barely anybody wants it. They wait until the last second to do stuff then it’s too late, but when they can actually do it, we’re supposed to be hyped (see Camo Cole and Hollywood Hogan). They have many people signed they can easily make figures people want but decide to do what they want and think is cool. They say they want to make stuff that is “toyetic” but they just make irrelevant characters from 35 years ago. We got Goon and Kama but no RA Rey Mysterio or MVP, you’ve gotta be kidding me that’s ridiculous. No 04-07 Kane or Undertaker either. Wack Jeff Hardy returned to WWE in 2017 and we didn’t get a Team Xtreme era Jeff until this year. We still have yet to get a Lemmy beard Triple H. Still no RA era HBK in tights. And don’t even get me started on how badly Mattel missed the opportunity to give us flashback Dudleys and a Team Xtreme era Matt Hardy or more RA Matt’s. Lemmy beard is coming in the Ultimate line |
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Sept 22, 2021 21:36:30 GMT -5
I just want my 2006 return Jeff and more attitude era Jeff’s. There’s so many looks they could churn out and so little time. I just find it weird when we ask for figures and Mattel does not listen. We’ve asked time and time again for a WCW Lex with ponytail. We asked for a WCW Bret and we get salmon tights Bret. Sting was all over place imo. Don’t get me wrong they’ve gave us a a lot of great figures, but some of these guys we only get one shot of.
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Post by viper412 on Sept 22, 2021 21:55:48 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy returned to WWE in 2017 and we didn’t get a Team Xtreme era Jeff until this year. We still have yet to get a Lemmy beard Triple H. Still no RA era HBK in tights. And don’t even get me started on how badly Mattel missed the opportunity to give us flashback Dudleys and a Team Xtreme era Matt Hardy or more RA Matt’s. Lemmy beard is coming in the Ultimate line still took them 12 years |
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Post by The Madness on Sept 22, 2021 22:07:38 GMT -5
Gotta love all the ant-wwe crap around lately. Stop watching and stop buying their products if they upset you this much It's not that they upset me, they're just incredibly boring. I've stopped watching all of their current product and it's a great feeling. I honestly get more enjoyment from seeing the same Simpsons reruns for the hundredth time than I do from Raw or Smackdown. |
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Post by viper412 on Sept 22, 2021 22:08:59 GMT -5
Mattel is a big problem too They keep pumping out New Gen stuff when barely anybody wants it. They wait until the last second to do stuff then it’s too late, but when they can actually do it, we’re supposed to be hyped (see Camo Cole and Hollywood Hogan). They have many people signed they can easily make figures people want but decide to do what they want and think is cool. They say they want to make stuff that is “toyetic” but they just make irrelevant characters from 35 years ago. We got Goon and Kama but no RA Rey Mysterio or MVP, you’ve gotta be kidding me that’s ridiculous. No 04-07 Kane or Undertaker either. Wack Jeff Hardy returned to WWE in 2017 and we didn’t get a Team Xtreme era Jeff until this year. We still have yet to get a Lemmy beard Triple H. Still no RA era HBK in tights. And don’t even get me started on how badly Mattel missed the opportunity to give us flashback Dudleys and a Team Xtreme era Matt Hardy or more RA Matt’s. definitely spittin, I just didn’t want to run down the whole list. They don’t care about 01-10 unless it’s some weird crapthey want like Legends DDP and Hurricane. We still have no black or red/white pants HBK either. Gold Standard Shelton as a chase but no White/Blue or Red from his most popular run. They had RVD for a year and only did one current elite. Thank the lord we got him back so we could at least get tiger striped singlet RVD. Dudley’s for over a year no flashbacks. I think they did decent on the RA Matt’s tho. We got the Summerslam 04, WWESHOP two pack, and ECW exclusive. I don’t get how they have the Hardyz, have two shots to do a 2 pack and choose the Brood and 2008. Like do Team Extreme you idiots how hard is it fr. Same with HBK. We have a bunch of elites of him from 92-98 (off top, WM 9, 12, 14, SS97, IYH DX, White/Red RSC and Flashback series, Summerslam 95, new 95/96 UE and I’m sure there’s more) but none of 02-05? Only ones we have from 02-10 is DX, Elite 3 and Defining Moments. It’s obvious that it boils down to what they want. |
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Sept 23, 2021 7:47:24 GMT -5
Lemmy beard is coming in the Ultimate line still took them 12 years I’ll play devils advocate here. Missing the mark on some of these attires frustrates me as well, but let’s say they did this attire 4 years ago. How much more life are we getting out of HHH figures? When new innovations like the UE series comes out and they rerelease an attire they did 6-8 years ago we will be right back in here complaining about getting something they already did. Yes, footage of Hunter doing something horrible could surface tomorrow and he could get released, but what if it never does? And what if Mattel gets signed to make figures for another 10 years? Can they win with some of you guys? |
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Post by newgenandy on Sept 23, 2021 15:17:07 GMT -5
You say classic teams, killer bees were together just under 3 years and the islanders under 2. No titles and very little to nothing of note done. These teams were not the classic teams people think they are on the scheme of things - they’re footnotes and nostalgia makes people think otherwise. LOD (2x tag champs and hof in wwe alone but countless other titles reigns around the world snd promotions snd hof entries) Hart foundation (2 x tag champs and hof inductees) Nasty boys (wwf tag champs and again countless others across different promotions) Demolition (3x tag champs and countless other awards snd until new day beat it longest reigning tag champs) These are clsssic tag teams. Realistically killer bees etc are as ‘classic’ as the new foundation. Even teams or wrestlers who didn’t win a title back when titles changed hands more infrequent are recognised in some way be that the cauliflower alley club awards, PWI awards, observer awards or one of the many hall of games out there in the wrestling world. You can’t blame wwe for not wanting to go through the hassle of signing killer bees for the 12 people who may want a figure when they’re smashing earnings records and have people signed who will shift crazy numbers of merch even today the austin 3:16 and nwo merch are top sellers - how many people want a killer bees shirt? Supply and demand - no demand = no supply I suppose nostalgic is a better descriptive when it comes to the Killer Bees. I never compared their career to those other teams, sheesh. We're are getting a Goon and a Zodiac figure though. Did people ask for those? I’d say goon and zodiac are so wrestlecrap they’re cool and a lot of people would want them for that - similar to the Isaac yankem. |
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Post by personagamer on Sept 23, 2021 15:54:19 GMT -5
It’s not about jobbers. There are many legends that haven’t been made in 10 years that deserve new figures. Demolition, LOD, Rick Martel, Akeem/One Man Gang, King Kong Bundy to name a few. Many weren’t collecting when those were released and they would be huge sellers in the Legends line. LOD and Demolition were suing WWE |
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Post by Artie Kendall on Sept 23, 2021 17:10:29 GMT -5
I got over seeing more FTITL along time ago. I get it, it goes through WWE and we know how they are with certain talent. My bigger problem is what Mattel does with the talent they do have signed, or lack of releases.
And because no one asked, I'll give examples!
Jimmy Hart - Managed multiple talents that Mattel has already released. I personally want a Nasty Boys Jimmy Hart and Dungeon of Doom Jimmy Hart, but I'm sure more people would like a Hogan era Jimmy Hart.
Sherri - This is the biggest headscratcher to me. Mattel team members have always said that when it comes to tag teams "Release who we can now so that if we get the other half well we've released the other half already." Well that's cool but this goes in the exact opposite of that. They had already released Michaels, Dibiase, Harlem Heat, plethora of Savage, Savage and Warrior from the same match which Sherri played a important part of and Mattel does Mania 6 Sherri, WTF mate?!
Harley Race - Here comes a hot take - Race should have been in NWA gear. At least with Jakks we got both. Too bad he isn't under a deal anymore.
Ken Shamrock - Yeah I get it with the red, but Shamrock is super budget friendly. He looks good in Blue but for my money Black is awesome on Shamrock.
Lex Luger - I will buy any and all Lex Luger figures because I really like Lex. Mattel has the ponytail head for Lex Luger, they paid money to make it, but have yet to release a WCW Lex Luger elite without the face paint. Mattel could have thrown collectors a bone and put the ponytail head on the basic WCW Luger but they didn't. WTF, mate?!
Brian Adams - I have to admit that I'm not sure how the old direct deals worked as far as releases. I'm not sure if it was any number of figures over a period or if the deal was one and done. What I do know is Mattel waited to the last minute to release Crush. I get it, it's hard to argue against releasing Demolition Crush, but at the same time you could argue that Crush should have at least three more figures.
Akeem/OMG - Another direct deal situation, but if I had to pick one over the other I'd rather have One Man Gang.
Jakks was good about getting multiples out of certain wrestlers. The majority of the people on my list were represented better by Jakks than Mattel.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Sept 23, 2021 19:51:46 GMT -5
Even majority of WCW legends from the Monday night wars won't be made which is crap..😔 WCW Nitro era wrestlers made: Goldberg Sting Hollywood Hogan Macho Man The Giant The Outsiders Ric Flair DDP Lex Luger Booker T Eddie Guerrero Rey Mysterio Chris Jericho Sid Vicious Dean Malenko Stevie Ray WCW Nitro era wrestlers not made: Eric Bischoff Scott Steiner Buff Bagwell Jeff Jarrett Raven Kanyon Scott Steiner’s brother Billy Kidman Juventud Other random cruiserweights NWO B-Team I know which “majority” I’d rather have. |
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on Sept 23, 2021 20:30:30 GMT -5
Even majority of WCW legends from the Monday night wars won't be made which is crap..😔 WCW Nitro era wrestlers made: Goldberg Sting Hollywood Hogan Macho Man The Giantl The Outsiders Ric Flair DDP Lex Luger Booker T Eddie Guerrero Rey Mysterio Chris Jericho Sid Vicious Dean Malenko Stevie Ray WCW Nitro era wrestlers not made: Eric Bischoff Scott Steiner Buff Bagwell Jeff Jarrett Raven Kanyon Scott Steiner’s brother Billy Kidman Juventud Other random cruiserweights NWO B-Team I know which “majority” I’d rather have. Still plenty of WCW guys that need to be made. Add Konnan, Kronik, Vampiro and many more. |
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