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Post by screech on Nov 22, 2021 20:54:09 GMT -5
another person who completely missed the point of my post. btw you can cut the stupid hyperbolic fake quotes that i never wrote and just stick to what i've actually written bc i'm not arguing against the cancellation. Which part did I miss? You’re exact post said “i went back and looked and not a single one of the experts chastising everyone for being insensitive had a single complaint about the blatantly racist imagery the first time the figure was shown.” and I said that some of us weren’t aware the racist connotation behind the symbol when the figure was first announced. yes, i understand that and wasn't referring to those people who admit they just found out they should be offended. |
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Nov 22, 2021 20:58:09 GMT -5
If y’all really, really need RVD in the fascist [Japanese Variant] singlet that damn bad, you can get a customizer to do it for you. The tiger stripe version might even be molded in white plastic so you already have a solid base figure to start with.
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Post by CM Tusk on Nov 22, 2021 21:08:44 GMT -5
If y’all really, really need RVD in the fascist [Japanese Variant] singlet that damn bad, you can get a customizer to do it for you. The tiger stripe version might even be molded in white plastic so you already have a solid base figure to start with. It’s funny because while I’ve never heard backlash about the symbol until recently, I have never heard anyone bring up this singlet when the discussion of RVDs best looks come up either. Like all the sudden everyone NEEDS this look. It’s not even his best Wrestlemania look. |
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Post by secondwhiteline on Nov 22, 2021 21:26:00 GMT -5
Honestly. reading up on the fact that the rising sun is essentially viewed the way most "westerners" view the swastika, canceling the figure is the right move in both a moral and business sense.
Oh, that's interesting. I never thought about that, really, but I have online friends from a lot of different Asian cultures and most of them have mixed to negative views on Japan for their WWII-era history. And aside from a couple anime fans, most of them aren't really immersed in Japanese pop culture the way I am and a lot of my friends from here in the U.S. are. Most are into Korean dramas instead. I guess I just never made the connection how the rising sun could be viewed from that perspective, but it makes a ton of sense.
I wonder if this kind of response is going to have a long-term impact on Japanese comic book characters that utilize the rising sun motif, like Katana or Sunfire? I mean, Katana's a pretty easy fix because her central concept doesn't require that iconography, it's just there to remind you how Japanese she is like you couldn't figure it out from the name Katana. But I suspect we're not going to see a McFarlane figure of Rising Sun anytime soon.
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Nov 22, 2021 21:28:08 GMT -5
If y’all really, really need RVD in the fascist [Japanese Variant] singlet that damn bad, you can get a customizer to do it for you. The tiger stripe version might even be molded in white plastic so you already have a solid base figure to start with. It’s funny because while I’ve never heard backlash about the symbol until recently, I have never heard anyone bring up this singlet when the discussion of RVDs best looks come up either. Like all the sudden everyone NEEDS this look. It’s not even his best Wrestlemania look. Should’ve been Wrestlemania 22 anyway |
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Nov 22, 2021 21:29:56 GMT -5
Anyone else see the irony in this when the inevitable happens and the "offended" ends up selling these on the Bay after they're stolen? Exactly. These figures are already produced. They'll be stolen and sold on eBay before the end of the year. |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Nov 22, 2021 21:44:22 GMT -5
If y’all really, really need RVD in the fascist [Japanese Variant] singlet that damn bad, you can get a customizer to do it for you. The tiger stripe version might even be molded in white plastic so you already have a solid base figure to start with. It’s funny because while I’ve never heard backlash about the symbol until recently, I have never heard anyone bring up this singlet when the discussion of RVDs best looks come up either. Like all the sudden everyone NEEDS this look. It’s not even his best Wrestlemania look. This. One Night Stand I think has been the overwhelming request followed by various yin-yang and/or dragon designs. When this was revealed I thought it was cool looking and immediately pre-ordered even tho I didn’t really want or need another WWE singlet. Now that it’s canceled I’m fine with just the tiger stripes. It’s not that big of a loss. |
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Post by brick on Nov 22, 2021 21:45:56 GMT -5
I was not aware of the connotations that particular flag/symbol had, but learning is what life is partly about.
Bummer for the people who wanted the figure, but given what this symbol apparently means for a lot of people, there are plenty of better alternative RVD looks to choose from. Carry on. This doesn't need to be another reason to drop your things and scream about supposed cancel culture.
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Post by CM Tusk on Nov 22, 2021 21:53:38 GMT -5
 bro, given me Heatwave 98. Throw in the Television championship. |
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Nov 22, 2021 21:53:56 GMT -5
Just make another RVD and make him the variant again with better singlets.
Living Dangerously 1999
Summerslam 2001
No Mercy 2001
Survivor Series 2001
Wrestlemania X8
Raw May 27, 2002
Summerslam 2002
Survivor Series 2002
Wrestlemania XX
Royal Rumble 2006
Wrestlemania 22
ECW One Night Stand 2006
Vengeance 2006
All these options plus his ECW singlets and many more, and none of em have the rising sun on them as far as I remember
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Post by ilikekqueen on Nov 22, 2021 21:54:42 GMT -5
I was not aware of the connotations that particular flag/symbol had, but learning is what life is partly about. Bummer for the people who wanted the figure, but given what this symbol apparently means for a lot of people, there are plenty of better alternative RVD looks to choose from. Carry on. This doesn't need to be another reason to drop your things and scream about supposed cancel culture. People who complain about “Cancel Culture” are the literal worst. Cancel Culture doesn’t exist it’s just people being held accountable for their actions and people realizing certain things aren’t acceptable |
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Nov 22, 2021 21:57:53 GMT -5
I was not aware of the connotations that particular flag/symbol had, but learning is what life is partly about. Bummer for the people who wanted the figure, but given what this symbol apparently means for a lot of people, there are plenty of better alternative RVD looks to choose from. Carry on. This doesn't need to be another reason to drop your things and scream about supposed cancel culture. People who complain about “Cancel Culture” are the literal worst. Cancel Culture doesn’t exist it’s just people being held accountable for their actions and people realizing certain things aren’t acceptable Not to mention nobody is even mad at RVD, he hasn’t worn the gear since he left WWE the first time |
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Post by secondwhiteline on Nov 22, 2021 22:13:59 GMT -5
I was not aware of the connotations that particular flag/symbol had, but learning is what life is partly about. Bummer for the people who wanted the figure, but given what this symbol apparently means for a lot of people, there are plenty of better alternative RVD looks to choose from. Carry on. This doesn't need to be another reason to drop your things and scream about supposed cancel culture. People who complain about “Cancel Culture” are the literal worst. Cancel Culture doesn’t exist it’s just people being held accountable for their actions and people realizing certain things aren’t acceptable Those are the second worst. The worst is a subset of those: comedians who get paid to go on Netflix and complain about cancel culture. |
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Post by screech on Nov 22, 2021 22:17:41 GMT -5
Honestly. reading up on the fact that the rising sun is essentially viewed the way most "westerners" view the swastika, canceling the figure is the right move in both a moral and business sense.
Oh, that's interesting. I never thought about that, really, but I have online friends from a lot of different Asian cultures and most of them have mixed to negative views on Japan for their WWII-era history. And aside from a couple anime fans, most of them aren't really immersed in Japanese pop culture the way I am and a lot of my friends from here in the U.S. are. Most are into Korean dramas instead. I guess I just never made the connection how the rising sun could be viewed from that perspective, but it makes a ton of sense.
I wonder if this kind of response is going to have a long-term impact on Japanese comic book characters that utilize the rising sun motif, like Katana or Sunfire? I mean, Katana's a pretty easy fix because her central concept doesn't require that iconography, it's just there to remind you how Japanese she is like you couldn't figure it out from the name Katana. But I suspect we're not going to see a McFarlane figure of Rising Sun anytime soon.
those characters are definitely fascist and could trigger ptsd |
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Post by screech on Nov 22, 2021 22:23:03 GMT -5
People who complain about “Cancel Culture” are the literal worst. Cancel Culture doesn’t exist it’s just people being held accountable for their actions and people realizing certain things aren’t acceptable Those are the second worst. The worst is a subset of those: comedians who get paid to go on Netflix and complain about cancel culture. the lunatics who argue that jokes can be violence are the worst |
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Post by Chip on Nov 22, 2021 22:27:21 GMT -5
i had a much longer post written here but i just realized its not going to go anywhere and is meaningless in the grand scheme.
bottom line...in my opinion, this figure should not have been cancelled. it ALSO should not have gotten past the suggestion...RVD had a hundred amazing attires they could have picked. someone should have realized this one could have caused an issue, and they could have created an alternate chase with a better attire.
the Rising Sun flag was created in the 1600's. and has been used in Japan for centuries. it is NOTHING like the nazi flag. not in any way, shape or form. a google search will tell you that. the nazi flag was literally created by the nazi party and used as a symbol of pure hate and evil.
“As you all know, the design of the Rising Sun Flag models the shape of the sun like the national flag of Japan and is widely used throughout Japan, such as good catch flags used by fishermen and celebratory flags for childbirth and seasonal festivities. Claims that the flag is an expression of political or discriminatory assertions are false. The Government of Japan has explained, and will continue to explain at every opportunity its view that the display of the Rising Sun Flag is not political promotion, to the international community including the Republic of Korea.”
Korea and China talking about being offended by a flag? like they have never done anything horrific in their country's existences? Hypocriticism at it's finest.
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Post by MKSavage on Nov 22, 2021 22:35:58 GMT -5
i had a much longer post written here but i just realized its not going to go anywhere and is meaningless in the grand scheme. bottom line...in my opinion, this figure should not have been cancelled. it ALSO should not have gotten past the suggestion...RVD had a hundred amazing attires they could have picked. someone should have realized this one could have caused an issue, and they could have created an alternate chase with a better attire. the Rising Sun flag was created in the 1600's. and has been used in Japan for centuries. it is NOTHING like the nazi flag. not in any way, shape or form. a google search will tell you that. the nazi flag was literally created by the nazi party and used as a symbol of pure hate and evil. “As you all know, the design of the Rising Sun Flag models the shape of the sun like the national flag of Japan and is widely used throughout Japan, such as good catch flags used by fishermen and celebratory flags for childbirth and seasonal festivities. Claims that the flag is an expression of political or discriminatory assertions are false. The Government of Japan has explained, and will continue to explain at every opportunity its view that the display of the Rising Sun Flag is not political promotion, to the international community including the Republic of Korea.”Korea and China talking about being offended by a flag? like they have never done anything horrific in their country's existences? Hypocriticism at it's finest. Nicely put. |
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Post by coldblooded on Nov 22, 2021 22:36:36 GMT -5
This is all [REDACTED] fault lol. He needs to be moderated when he chooses these attires for himself rather than the most requested.
Yeah the main figure a lot of people want, but even when I saw the chase I was left scratching my head and pondering was this another of [REDACTED] lousy attempt for his own collection?
Either way, [REDACTED] already has one, and in a couple months they will be on ebay most likely.
It was scheduled mid December, no way they didn't already complete production of all these RVDs. Not to mention, now RVD will seemingly be more rare than anticipated due to being split with the chase.
I don't care either way, I only wanted the chase for fomo and because he doesn't have many.
Hopefully this lights a fire on Mattel and they start producing the most wanted attires, instead of what [REDACTED] thinks we want.
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Post by secondwhiteline on Nov 22, 2021 22:52:17 GMT -5
i had a much longer post written here but i just realized its not going to go anywhere and is meaningless in the grand scheme. bottom line...in my opinion, this figure should not have been cancelled. it ALSO should not have gotten past the suggestion...RVD had a hundred amazing attires they could have picked. someone should have realized this one could have caused an issue, and they could have created an alternate chase with a better attire. the Rising Sun flag was created in the 1600's. and has been used in Japan for centuries. it is NOTHING like the nazi flag. not in any way, shape or form. a google search will tell you that. the nazi flag was literally created by the nazi party and used as a symbol of pure hate and evil. “As you all know, the design of the Rising Sun Flag models the shape of the sun like the national flag of Japan and is widely used throughout Japan, such as good catch flags used by fishermen and celebratory flags for childbirth and seasonal festivities. Claims that the flag is an expression of political or discriminatory assertions are false. The Government of Japan has explained, and will continue to explain at every opportunity its view that the display of the Rising Sun Flag is not political promotion, to the international community including the Republic of Korea.”Korea and China talking about being offended by a flag? like they have never done anything horrific in their country's existences? Hypocriticism at it's finest. There's a lot you're leaving out in that history, though. Yeah, it was created in the 1600s, and Rising Sun symbolism goes back much further than that, but the relevant part would be its history as an imperial flag from the Meiji era onwards. When an image is so prominently associated with an era built on colonialism, imperialism, and wartime atrocities (and I'm a total weeb, I love Japan, but it's not called The Party at Nanking), I get why there'd be such a visceral response from the cultures affected by it. Regardless of the longer history, that's the flag they recognize as the symbol of violence against them that happened in living memory.
That being said, I get the first part of the argument (not the hypocrisy part, because that's just senseless -- Americans still have a right to hate Nazis, regardless of our own history of institutionalized racism) - it's really difficult to figure out what should be done about a national symbol with deeper roots than the worst period it's associated with. It's easy to get rid of the Nazi or Confederate flags. But the Rising Sun case is probably closer to hypothetically removing instances of the Union Jack because of British colonialism. I don't really have an answer here except that I think it's probably okay to avoid putting it on action figures of unrelated white dudes.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Nov 22, 2021 22:52:35 GMT -5
I don’t believe it’s a one man show over at Mattel. It’s been said attires recently have been debated and chosen by a committee. Plus not every RVD attire is doable. It needs to be something that can be done within a budget. It needs to be something that they have good reference photos of. It needs to not have any any drug references. And I’m pretty sure it has to be OK’d by WWE. A toy designer thinking it’s cool and wouldn’t mind having it in his shelf may be a motivator to have him push harder than he would something else but it doesn’t necessarily mean he’s always gonna get his way.
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