secondwhiteline
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Post by secondwhiteline on Nov 22, 2021 22:54:08 GMT -5
I don’t believe it’s a one man show over at Mattel. It’s been said attires recently have been debated and chosen by a committee. Plus not every RVD attire is doable. It needs to be something that can be done within a budget. It needs to be something that they have good reference photos of. It needs to not have any any drug references. And I’m pretty sure it has to be OK’d by WWE. A toy designer thinking it’s cool and wouldn’t mind having it in his shelf may be a motivator to have him push harder than he would something else but it doesn’t necessarily mean he’s always gonna get his way. Hah, imagine working to find an RVD attire without drug references but running headfirst into this. |
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Post by Chip on Nov 22, 2021 23:13:33 GMT -5
the biggest thing about this figure is that it wasn't found offensive by anyone UNTIL somebody decided to compare his attire to a nazi flag. then that suddenly opened this door about "well yeah i guess it could offend some people so they probably shouldnt make it" the figure was shown to the entire world IN JULY. at the biggest toy/collecting event of the year. the pictures have been circulating for 4 months. nobody said a  ing thing about it being offensive. then all of a sudden today? someone's like "yeah we cant put this on store shelves because people in china or south korea wont like it and thus maybe some random person walking through Target who cares nothing about wrestling figures will see it and complain to Target" at the end of the day, its $20 less i'll have to spend. its just a figure and its not going to affect my life personally. what gets me annoyed is this constant stream of "white knight-ing" by people who have no business doing it, who never cared about a subject until it was purposefully manipulatively brought to their attention, and who get off on trying to get people in trouble for things they have no connection to. |
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Post by Crossfit Jesus on Nov 22, 2021 23:15:02 GMT -5
Can we get a Shelton Benjamin and RVD like the jakks ones
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 22, 2021 23:33:30 GMT -5
the biggest thing about this figure is that it wasn't found offensive by anyone UNTIL somebody decided to compare his attire to a nazi flag. then that suddenly opened this door about "well yeah i guess it could offend some people so they probably shouldnt make it" the figure was shown to the entire world IN JULY. at the biggest toy/collecting event of the year. the pictures have been circulating for 4 months. nobody said a ing thing about it being offensive. then all of a sudden today? someone's like "yeah we cant put this on store shelves because people in china or south korea wont like it and thus maybe some random person walking through Target who cares nothing about wrestling figures will see it and complain to Target" at the end of the day, its $20 less i'll have to spend. its just a figure and its not going to affect my life personally. what gets me annoyed is this constant stream of "white knight-ing" by people who have no business doing it, who never cared about a subject until it was purposefully manipulatively brought to their attention, and who get off on trying to get people in trouble for things they have no connection to. Perfectly said. And not only was this figure revealed four months ago, but RVD wore this attire DECADES ago. Nobody made a stink about it then. But one person decides today they’re going to be offended by it, and you get an army of “know it all’s” trying to shame others for finding the whole thing ridiculous. And if they are worried about a group of people possibly being offended, we might as well erase everything pre-2020. I wasn’t even going to purchase the chase unless I stumbled upon it in stores, so the white knights can throw out the “yOuR’eR uPsEt aBoUt a fIgURe” crap (though based on the posts in this thread they don’t seem to have anything else to stand on). |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Nov 22, 2021 23:39:14 GMT -5
I don’t believe it’s a one man show over at Mattel. It’s been said attires recently have been debated and chosen by a committee. Plus not every RVD attire is doable. It needs to be something that can be done within a budget. It needs to be something that they have good reference photos of. It needs to not have any any drug references. And I’m pretty sure it has to be OK’d by WWE. A toy designer thinking it’s cool and wouldn’t mind having it in his shelf may be a motivator to have him push harder than he would something else but it doesn’t necessarily mean he’s always gonna get his way. Hah, imagine working to find an RVD attire without drug references but running headfirst into this. It had to have been a bitch to find a chase RVD attire to work into a budget, especially after the costs of whatever it took to get Bianca’s earrings to work, RVD’s tiger attire, new tooling for Sami’s Slammy, and Hogan’s attire and new tooling for his boas. They’re probably like “oh this is perfect. It’s 3 colors and a simple design and doesn’t say 4:20, it was worn at WM so plenty of reference shots. We really lucked out with this one.” |
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The Real Chillary
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Post by The Real Chillary on Nov 23, 2021 0:31:07 GMT -5
i had a much longer post written here but i just realized its not going to go anywhere and is meaningless in the grand scheme. bottom line...in my opinion, this figure should not have been cancelled. it ALSO should not have gotten past the suggestion...RVD had a hundred amazing attires they could have picked. someone should have realized this one could have caused an issue, and they could have created an alternate chase with a better attire. the Rising Sun flag was created in the 1600's. and has been used in Japan for centuries. it is NOTHING like the nazi flag. not in any way, shape or form. a google search will tell you that. the nazi flag was literally created by the nazi party and used as a symbol of pure hate and evil. “As you all know, the design of the Rising Sun Flag models the shape of the sun like the national flag of Japan and is widely used throughout Japan, such as good catch flags used by fishermen and celebratory flags for childbirth and seasonal festivities. Claims that the flag is an expression of political or discriminatory assertions are false. The Government of Japan has explained, and will continue to explain at every opportunity its view that the display of the Rising Sun Flag is not political promotion, to the international community including the Republic of Korea.”Korea and China talking about being offended by a flag? like they have never done anything horrific in their country's existences? Hypocriticism at it's finest. Lol, thank you for allowing me to chime in. This is where you're wrong. Much like the rising sun flag, the origins of the Swastika long pre-dates the Nazi flag. It was originally a symbol of divinity and spirituality. But much like the rising sun, it was twisted and used as a symbol of something darker and has forever been represtended with that. You know what else it's like? The Confederate flag. Slap that image all over your Dukes of Hazard toys and fly it in your windows, but it was drapped over the bodies of black people who were strung up from trees. Would you be okay having Elite Henry Godwin released wearing it? |
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Post by brick on Nov 23, 2021 0:36:04 GMT -5
I know that for some, the argument is that if you allow a group of people to decide what is or isn't offensive, you send us down a slippery slope where everything is fair game.
I'll concede that there are people who want to take things too far in one direction. In this instance, though, I don't really think that's the case. I'm just some white dude, so I'm not going to pretend I can put myself in the position of someone for whom this symbol carries upsetting connotations. But by that same token, I don't think it's really my place to tell one of those people that they shouldn't find the symbolism upsetting. The whole "get over it, stop being so sensitive" rhetoric is usually pushed by people who aren't part of the group that's affected.
There's no one-size-fits-all solution to these things, but in this instance, I think the right call was probably made. Maybe that makes me a snowflake or whatever, but so be it.
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Post by CM Tusk on Nov 23, 2021 0:49:49 GMT -5
I know that for some, the argument is that if you allow a group of people to decide what is or isn't offensive, you send us down a slippery slope where everything is fair game. I'll concede that there are people who want to take things too far in one direction. In this instance, though, I don't really think that's the case. I'm just some white dude, so I'm not going to pretend I can put myself in the position of someone for whom this symbol carries upsetting connotations. But by that same token, I don't think it's really my place to tell one of those people that they shouldn't find the symbolism upsetting. The whole "get over it, stop being so sensitive" rhetoric is usually pushed by people who aren't part of the group that's affected. There's no one-size-fits-all solution to these things, but in this instance, I think the right call was probably made. Maybe that makes me a snowflake or whatever, but so be it. Yup, this is essentially the right answer. |
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Nov 23, 2021 1:22:00 GMT -5
This is probably gonna get locked and half the posts will be removed but I’ll say my piece and move on anyway
“Nobody made a stink about it before”
-that doesn’t mean it was okie back then either, in fact someone probably did but they weren’t listened to, y’all aren’t even listening to the guy who said it now
“It’s not offensive”
-that’s not really for American, British, or Canadian toy collectors to decide
“It’s hypocritical”
-no it’s really not, most American history books, at least the ones I’ve seen, note that Japan never apologized for the war crimes they did while flying that flag, and I don’t think an American saying anything about being hypocritical wants to open that can of worms
“The rising sun existed before the Imperial Japanese period”
-the swastika also existed before Nazi Germany, but unless your are practicing the Hindu religion while being physically geographically located in Southeast Asia, that is not what anyone is going to assume you’re using it for
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As I said previously if somebody really wants this it can easily be made using the tiger stripes body and some paint or decals. This is not really a big deal but y’all are going to do the “this is what they took from you” meme irl and cry about an attire that honestly probably wouldn’t be in my top 15 best RVD singlets. The only part that really sucks is they weren’t able to replace it in time.
Furthermore, people (mostly on Instagram) are harassing the guy who brought this up and that is so goddamn pathetic and childish. And so is this board tbqh, and it just keeps getting worse and worse. Y’all realize that Rob Van Dam himself would probably feel bad about the gear right?
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Post by DrakeParker on Nov 23, 2021 2:52:22 GMT -5
It looks cool and I want it. If they don't make one, it's not the end of the world. I'm just happy Mattel gets another crack at an Elite RVD
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Post by Xæro #FakeCollector on Nov 23, 2021 3:07:17 GMT -5
Those are the second worst. The worst is a subset of those: comedians who get paid to go on Netflix and complain about cancel culture. the lunatics who argue that jokes can be violence are the worst Are you threatening me right now? Because I feel like you are Mods please  |
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Warriah'
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Post by Warriah' on Nov 23, 2021 4:18:27 GMT -5
considering how close these were to release I wonder how many will find their way out regardless, at least onto ebay.
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CMW Toys
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Post by CMW Toys on Nov 23, 2021 4:58:00 GMT -5
considering how close these were to release I wonder how many will find their way out regardless, at least onto ebay. I would be willing to bet these were very close to completion |
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Post by Old Zeke on Nov 23, 2021 6:00:32 GMT -5
considering how close these were to release I wonder how many will find their way out regardless, at least onto ebay. I would be willing to bet these were very close to completion As we've seen packaged shots of all of the others, I'm willing to bet that the chase had its production run and they'll appear on the "usual suspects" soon enough. It'd be great if Mattel allowed RSC to fill the pre-order's for the chase, but it's not likely. |
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Post by Warriah' on Nov 23, 2021 7:41:58 GMT -5
I would be willing to bet these were very close to completion As we've seen packaged shots of all of the others, I'm willing to bet that the chase had its production run and they'll appear on the "usual suspects" soon enough. It'd be great if Mattel allowed RSC to fill the pre-order's for the chase, but it's not likely. Who are the usual suspects? I much preferred this look for RVD than the tiger one so if possible I’d try to snag one. |
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Post by judas on Nov 23, 2021 7:47:21 GMT -5
Oh, people are busting out “white-knight”. Just need “pc culture” and “narrative” for Bingo. Still fuming over Rittinhouse huh? It's ok baboo, its ok. **** really? I’ve seen some low points on this site but this takes the biscuit. Wow. |
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Post by Jack Specific on Nov 23, 2021 8:15:24 GMT -5
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