alkohal
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Post by alkohal on Sept 30, 2022 16:07:44 GMT -5
Has anyone noticed that Kane is windowless? Could this be the new packaging going forward? It’s just for this, not for regular release UEs. Steve is actually doing people a favour by keeping the book end box when usually figures that come with rings don’t come with boxes, so for those that want the book ends it’s cool he’s managed to get that. but this is still $140 for a Kane you can’t see, I’m really glad I became a loose collector a couple of years back. Im assuming Kanes box will not be taped, much like the New Gen fig boxes. This way MOC can still take a peak without feeling the pain of cutting the tape. |
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Sept 30, 2022 16:08:33 GMT -5
Easy pass. The red, white, and blue ropes ring is all that I'll ever need as a Golden Era boy. Good for anyone who didn't back the Arena and wanted the new ring mold though.
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berealnicknaro
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Post by berealnicknaro on Sept 30, 2022 16:14:48 GMT -5
Yeah dude, I get that. What is so hard to understand about the fact that those rings and sets were all made in way higher numbers than 8000? If they did a run of conversion kits that small, and were willing to let you make your ring look ugly in the process, those sets would be incredibly expensive just to justify having them made. On top of that, only backers would ever have had access to this ring. I can’t believe some of the replies are so childish. Hate to break the illusion for you but real life ring frames were rarely the same color as the blue post. That was an artistic liberty mattel took. Secondly theres no reason they couldnt have offered a full ring and an upgrade pack as 2 different skus. Making both parties happy. It’s a matter of engineering more than artistic liberty. Either way, having the frame match the posts just looks better. This IS a reason they couldn’t offer an upgrade pack, and the reason is that there’s not that many new Gen rings. It’s that simple. They’re not wasting time or resources to do it. I’ve been saying it for almost a year in the New Gen thread. Ask Steve in the Q and A thread. If he even wants to answer he’ll tell you the same thing. It’s not economically viable. What he won’t say, but is true, is that it would look stupid with that ring base. |
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crush
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Post by crush on Sept 30, 2022 16:16:31 GMT -5
Considering they're the same ring, I'm not quite sure what the differentiation would be. Not sure what you mean? I wanted a Raw is War ring more than New Gen, but I got it on eBay for $100 so I figured why not. I honestly didn’t think they’d do Raw so soon or I’d have waited, but I’m still glad to have this one as well. If the rings are the same and Mattel later releases more aprons and drops or whatever, they'll fit on both rings. |
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Post by AxelSmackdown on Sept 30, 2022 16:16:36 GMT -5
DO  ING WHAT |
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Post by travisT on Sept 30, 2022 16:20:19 GMT -5
Let’s speculate we get the tron as the new crowd funder who would you like to see get made in UE?
I’m thinking 98 Mankind
some kind of first time like gangrel for instance and maybe a proper 2000 Taker
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Sept 30, 2022 16:22:35 GMT -5
Hate to break the illusion for you but real life ring frames were rarely the same color as the blue post. That was an artistic liberty mattel took. Secondly theres no reason they couldnt have offered a full ring and an upgrade pack as 2 different skus. Making both parties happy. It’s a matter of engineering more than artistic liberty. Either way, having the frame match the posts just looks better. This IS a reason they couldn’t offer an upgrade pack, and the reason is that there’s not that many new Gen rings. It’s that simple. They’re not wasting time or resources to do it. I’ve been saying it for almost a year in the New Gen thread. Ask Steve in the Q and A thread. If he even wants to answer he’ll tell you the same thing. It’s not economically viable. What he won’t say, but is true, is that it would look stupid with that ring base. Not wasting time or resources to help out the people that made the first crowdfund a success? Excellent business model. |
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Post by shawnscga on Sept 30, 2022 16:22:48 GMT -5
Not to mention having Kane connected to this ring almost all but confirms taker will be apart of the new crowd fund arena 😃
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crush
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Post by crush on Sept 30, 2022 16:26:02 GMT -5
Hate to break the illusion for you but real life ring frames were rarely the same color as the blue post. That was an artistic liberty mattel took. Secondly theres no reason they couldnt have offered a full ring and an upgrade pack as 2 different skus. Making both parties happy. It’s a matter of engineering more than artistic liberty. Either way, having the frame match the posts just looks better. This IS a reason they couldn’t offer an upgrade pack, and the reason is that there’s not that many new Gen rings. It’s that simple. They’re not wasting time or resources to do it. I’ve been saying it for almost a year in the New Gen thread. Ask Steve in the Q and A thread. If he even wants to answer he’ll tell you the same thing. It’s not economically viable. What he won’t say, but is true, is that it would look stupid with that ring base. That would make sense is people were asking for ONLY conversion kids. It seems to me that the vast majority if not all think there should have been conversion kits of posts/rings/ropes & buckles in addition to the new ring. If anything, It would likely be more financial feasible to produce them since they''re already being produced for the ring. The only pieces that would still be visibly blue in that scenario are the bottom bases pieces, one of which is blocked by stairs and the the other three are easily mostly covered by the ring skirts if one so desires. Bottom line is Mattel wants to sell more rings, and making the Raw is War stuff only available with the full ring will sell more full rings. That is completely within their right to do (it's not a betrayal or whatever other overdramatic word people are using) but let's not pretend it's not the reason. |
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Post by Action Figure Attack on Sept 30, 2022 16:27:48 GMT -5
Hate to break the illusion for you but real life ring frames were rarely the same color as the blue post. That was an artistic liberty mattel took. Secondly theres no reason they couldnt have offered a full ring and an upgrade pack as 2 different skus. Making both parties happy. It’s a matter of engineering more than artistic liberty. Either way, having the frame match the posts just looks better. This IS a reason they couldn’t offer an upgrade pack, and the reason is that there’s not that many new Gen rings. It’s that simple. They’re not wasting time or resources to do it. I’ve been saying it for almost a year in the New Gen thread. Ask Steve in the Q and A thread. If he even wants to answer he’ll tell you the same thing. It’s not economically viable. What he won’t say, but is true, is that it would look stupid with that ring base. This is a wrestling figure business and rings will need to be continuously made available. The more people that own compatible rings, the better the chances become of creating ring add on packs. This particular release doesn’t close the door on the potential for accessory packs, it’s helps open it wider. |
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Post by Labeled101 on Sept 30, 2022 16:28:52 GMT -5
No thanks!
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Ok, I am in.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Sept 30, 2022 16:33:44 GMT -5
I caved. Call it a Christmas present to myself 🎁
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berealnicknaro
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Post by berealnicknaro on Sept 30, 2022 16:38:54 GMT -5
It’s a matter of engineering more than artistic liberty. Either way, having the frame match the posts just looks better. This IS a reason they couldn’t offer an upgrade pack, and the reason is that there’s not that many new Gen rings. It’s that simple. They’re not wasting time or resources to do it. I’ve been saying it for almost a year in the New Gen thread. Ask Steve in the Q and A thread. If he even wants to answer he’ll tell you the same thing. It’s not economically viable. What he won’t say, but is true, is that it would look stupid with that ring base. This is a wrestling figure business and rings will need to be continuously made available. The more people that own compatible rings, the better the chances become of creating ring add on packs. This particular release doesn’t close the door on the potential for accessory packs, it’s helps open it wider. I appreciate you chiming in on this, Steve. It absolutely make sense that if more rings are available, the opportunities for add ons increase. It’s just frustrating to read comments about how the release of this ring is somehow a betrayal to the New Gen backers and they should have just made a “conversion kit”. |
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Post by RSCTom on Sept 30, 2022 16:42:21 GMT -5
Is that all the pre orders for today Tom? Yes |
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Post by hb2k4life on Sept 30, 2022 16:45:10 GMT -5
so, what I am hearing is that if this sells well and enough customers have this new ring frame there is a potential to possibly get conversions kits for say: Smackdown, Wcw Nitro, any Wrestlemania or major ppv.
Hopefully this will sell well. I have told myself to start taking it easy on buying, but this is so tempting.
whats shipping to US looking like?
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Post by RSCTom on Sept 30, 2022 16:48:40 GMT -5
Adding my own two cents on to Steve's point that this is obviously a wrestling figure business, keep in mind those of you New Gen backers that are upset, there are people out there who had little to no interest in that ring/era (...me) and would prefer this. I understand many reasons, space, cash, etc. for not wanting to all out grab another for some folks but there are for sure those of us who would rather this. It's a nice additional option here!
I have not been this pumped for something figure related in a long while. I look forward to this one.
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alkohal
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Post by alkohal on Sept 30, 2022 16:49:44 GMT -5
It’s a matter of engineering more than artistic liberty. Either way, having the frame match the posts just looks better. This IS a reason they couldn’t offer an upgrade pack, and the reason is that there’s not that many new Gen rings. It’s that simple. They’re not wasting time or resources to do it. I’ve been saying it for almost a year in the New Gen thread. Ask Steve in the Q and A thread. If he even wants to answer he’ll tell you the same thing. It’s not economically viable. What he won’t say, but is true, is that it would look stupid with that ring base. This is a wrestling figure business and rings will need to be continuously made available. The more people that own compatible rings, the better the chances become of creating ring add on packs. This particular release doesn’t close the door on the potential for accessory packs, it’s helps open it wider. My issue isnt that you released another ring, its that you did so just weeks after the New Gen one landed in peoples hands, and after we had interviews with certain people at Mattel stating that they would be looking at upgrade packs specifically so people didnt feel forced into buying another ring for certain parts. It wouldn't have been hard to offer buckles, skirts and post as a separate item for those of us who just bought a very expensive ring from you in addition to this set. |
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Post by hb2k4life on Sept 30, 2022 16:51:07 GMT -5
I caved... hopefully since it says early January there is a chance Santa will have it under the tree!
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Post by kanepilk on Sept 30, 2022 16:58:53 GMT -5
It's already been discussed on here, that the New Gen ring is blue and thus they won't offer a conversion kit as it would have blue turnbuckles in the middle. You might say it's not a big deal, but this is an official WWE product, they can't half-ass it like that. Now that a black ring is out, they can release extra ring aprons and such, I assume. But they probably won't release a RAW IS WAR one because it's a selling point for this set.
So a conversion kit couldn't come with the necessary parts in black? I guess not because this is just a clear business tactic by Mattel to sell another ring. Sucks that there's little to no loyalty with this company but they gotta keep the wheels turning I guess. The issue is the ring itself is made of blue plastic, so the middle section of the buckle posts (even if they came with new black legs and actual ring posts) is that the middle would still be blue.
Theoretically, you could make black clips to cover the blue part, but it'd look cheap and knock-off. So we know they won't do it.
I'd be 99% confident a RAW stage is the crowdfund, though, and will likely have extra ring skirts as an early bird kinda thing. Although given that this set is quite pricey and Kane is packaged with no window on the box, I reckon the popularity of this set and a RAW stage that'll take up a massive amount of space will see the next crowdfund fail (in my opinion).
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Post by hukablues on Sept 30, 2022 17:05:28 GMT -5
i look at it like this for the backers that are upset, theres people who didnt start collect again (such as myself) til after the crowdfunding happened. not to mention theres a lot (such as myself) that have no care for the new gen era. another ring from another era just gives more flavors in the ice cream shop so everyone can be happy. and so what if y’all just barely got ur rings in and a new one is just coming out right around the corner, are we suppose to sit inside looking out the window as u all get to play outside as we wait? cant everyone enjoy at the same time?
bottom line it gives everyone the opportunity to enjoy more. since the EA and RA are eras i grew up in im happy i won’t have to wait years or however long for this now and i wont be upset if i buy this and they come out with a new ring for this current gen with a lets say UE drew or roman. i’ll just simply pass and let the others enjoy
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