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Post by muuk76 on Mar 28, 2023 7:27:36 GMT -5
...which is about $590 USD π₯΄. So us lucky UK peeps would be paying almost $200 more...? As I said... what with the overall cost and poor figure choices, it's an easy pass. Man you UK guys dont get it?! Its incl custom charges, taxes, fees and shipping. Or do you realy think this huge package ships for 9.99 from the US to UK? π Of course but why not say shipping is included then. Also the customs charge in the UK is 20 percent of the total declared value, the deduction taken is greater then this I believe. As said by previous posters there is a considerable money difference to international customers then American customers and it can't all be attributed to customs and shipping. |
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Post by Warriah' on Mar 28, 2023 7:30:32 GMT -5
The UK price includes tax and customs. Letβs break it down: At $250, we got charged roughly Β£60-65 in fees with the New Gen set. Scale that up to $400 for the Nitro set, and that Β£60-65 becomes Β£96-104. So with the Β£325 that comes from the straight $ to Β£ conversion, add the Β£104 for charges, that gives us a cost of Β£429 that we would roughly have to pay in total, being charged in US dollars. That leaves Β£40, which can be for exchange rate fluctuations, and any additional fees Mattel may incur converting it back to USD. Itβs not this big rip-off people are claiming it to be! No. Remember we got tacked with a handling fee by Royal Mail. Customs was approximately Β£50. And at the time our exchange rate was far far worse than it is currently. To the extent where the pound and dollar were about equal in value. If we are paying our customs fees NOW at the point of order, then we would need to pay the current exchange rate. $400 is currently Β£324.48. 20% of 325 (rounded) is 65. There would be no handling fee as customs is prepaid. So at Β£470 we are currently overpaying by Β£80. No need to do gymnastics to excuse them overcharging. Those are the numbers. EDIT:The exchange rate was so bad when these shipped, that when one of my sets went missing from Royal Mail. Mattel refunded me and I made a Β£40 profit from the exchange rate difference from when I'd ordered the year prior. |
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Post by Warriah' on Mar 28, 2023 7:33:53 GMT -5
For context. That Β£80 that we are being overcharged by is about $100.
We are paying an extra 25% of the value of the crowdfund's total cost. For no reason.
MC has been wonky with this for a long time. They also charge customs for items that do not legally cross the minimum threshold. It's why I have not ordered from them since they swapped over.
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Post by stc13 on Mar 28, 2023 7:39:54 GMT -5
Don't agree with most of the figure/attire choices, but then I never really expected to since I guessed Mattel would take the "A-lister Ultimates" approach, whereas personally I'd have preferred the "more-obscure Elites" approach (e.g. ring announcer Michael Buffer, commentator Steve McMichael, referee Nick Patrick, interviewer Gene Okerlund, nitro girl Kimberly, etc). That said I guessed DDP would be one of their choices, so had hoped we might at least finally get that blue-diamond shirt and jeans DDP with a serious/intense headscan... But ah well, the quest continues. The stage is the most important thing here though, and I love that, so happy they made it to an accurate scale. The only thing that bothers me is no announcer area/table. But presumably a Nitro ring will follow at some point (hopefully made to true 18x18 WCW scale, instead of 20x20 WWE scale), so hopefully the full Nitro announcer area/table will be included with that. Really hope the rumored WCW figure line (supposedly following Ruthless Aggression) includes more-obscure "deep dive" WCW names (i.e. mid-carders, luchas/cruiserweights, managers, women, referees, commentators, announcers, wrestlecrap, etc) and not just the same A-listers/WWE-guys we've already seen loads of times. Plus that blue-diamond shirt and jeans DDP with serious headscan, of course. I feel pretty confident that we're going to see a surge in WCW figures. The same thing happened after the New Gen arena. But the names are going to be limited - there are only so many wrestlers who are available to them right now. Maybe they surprise us with one or two FTIL figures (like Torrie and Bischoff in the RA line). We're probably looking at mostly top names, but I don't think that's a bad thing. There is still a lot of ground to cover - singles Booker T, NWO Stevie Ray, WCW Piper, Jeans DDP, tights Eddie, The Disciple, Bischoff, a million Steiners. |
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Post by Warriah' on Mar 28, 2023 7:40:10 GMT -5
I'd be more inclined to order multiples if Mattel only took the Β£325 for the item's value right now and allowed me to pay the customs to Royal Mail directly when it's ready for delivery.
Why would I want so much more money than necessary tied up for over a year? And I'd rather pay the ridiculous Β£15 handling fee than pay Mattel a far more absurd extra Β£80.
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Post by dietpizzauk on Mar 28, 2023 7:59:10 GMT -5
The UK price includes tax and customs. Letβs break it down: At $250, we got charged roughly Β£60-65 in fees with the New Gen set. Scale that up to $400 for the Nitro set, and that Β£60-65 becomes Β£96-104. So with the Β£325 that comes from the straight $ to Β£ conversion, add the Β£104 for charges, that gives us a cost of Β£429 that we would roughly have to pay in total, being charged in US dollars. That leaves Β£40, which can be for exchange rate fluctuations, and any additional fees Mattel may incur converting it back to USD. Itβs not this big rip-off people are claiming it to be! No. Remember we got tacked with a handling fee by Royal Mail. Customs was approximately Β£50. And at the time our exchange rate was far far worse than it is currently. To the extent where the pound and dollar were about equal in value.Β If we are paying our customs fees NOW at the point of order, then we would need to pay the current exchange rate. $400 is currently Β£324.48. 20% of 325 (rounded) is 65. There would be no handling fee as customs is prepaid. So atΒ Β£470 we are currently overpaying by Β£80. No need to do gymnastics to excuse them overcharging. Those are the numbers. EDIT:The exchange rate was so bad when these shipped, that when one of my sets went missing from Royal Mail. Mattel refunded me and I made a Β£40 profit from the exchange rate difference from when I'd ordered the year prior. Exactly my point. The pound was stronger when you bought the set Β£1=$1.39 from the 23rd July 2021. When the package shipped, it was Β£1=$1.18. So if they were charging in Β£s then, they would lose 20 cents on each pound in fees theyβd have to cover. So the extra money is to make sure that they have enough to cover the fees, as they donβt pay those until it ships. They have to estimate how much the Β£ will be worth to them in a year, and make sure theyβre covered as best they can. |
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Post by Warriah' on Mar 28, 2023 8:11:40 GMT -5
No. Remember we got tacked with a handling fee by Royal Mail. Customs was approximately Β£50. And at the time our exchange rate was far far worse than it is currently. To the extent where the pound and dollar were about equal in value.Β If we are paying our customs fees NOW at the point of order, then we would need to pay the current exchange rate. $400 is currently Β£324.48. 20% of 325 (rounded) is 65. There would be no handling fee as customs is prepaid. So atΒ Β£470 we are currently overpaying by Β£80. No need to do gymnastics to excuse them overcharging. Those are the numbers. EDIT:The exchange rate was so bad when these shipped, that when one of my sets went missing from Royal Mail. Mattel refunded me and I made a Β£40 profit from the exchange rate difference from when I'd ordered the year prior. Exactly my point. The pound was stronger when you bought the set Β£1=$1.39 from the 23rd July 2021. When the package shipped, it was Β£1=$1.18. So if they were charging in Β£s then, they would lose 20 cents on each pound in fees theyβd have to cover. So the extra money is to make sure that they have enough to cover the fees, as they donβt pay those until it ships. They have to estimate how much the Β£ will be worth to them in a year, and make sure theyβre covered as best they can. But they didnβt take the customs themselves last time. And if they had they would have had themselves to blame for taking it a year before delivery. They canβt justify charging Β£80 more than we are legally obligated to pay. |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 28, 2023 8:12:05 GMT -5
Don't agree with most of the figure/attire choices, but then I never really expected to since I guessed Mattel would take the "A-lister Ultimates" approach, whereas personally I'd have preferred the "more-obscure Elites" approach (e.g. ring announcer Michael Buffer, commentator Steve McMichael, referee Nick Patrick, interviewer Gene Okerlund, nitro girl Kimberly, etc). That said I guessed DDP would be one of their choices, so had hoped we might at least finally get that blue-diamond shirt and jeans DDP with a serious/intense headscan... But ah well, the quest continues. The stage is the most important thing here though, and I love that, so happy they made it to an accurate scale. The only thing that bothers me is no announcer area/table. But presumably a Nitro ring will follow at some point (hopefully made to true 18x18 WCW scale, instead of 20x20 WWE scale), so hopefully the full Nitro announcer area/table will be included with that. Really hope the rumored WCW figure line (supposedly following Ruthless Aggression) includes more-obscure "deep dive" WCW names (i.e. mid-carders, luchas/cruiserweights, managers, women, referees, commentators, announcers, wrestlecrap, etc) and not just the same A-listers/WWE-guys we've already seen loads of times. Plus that blue-diamond shirt and jeans DDP with serious headscan, of course. I feel pretty confident that we're going to see a surge in WCW figures.Β The same thing happened after the New Gen arena.Β But the names are going to be limited - there are only so many wrestlers who are available to them right now.Β Maybe they surprise us with one or two FTIL figures (like Torrie and Bischoff in the RA line).Β We're probably looking at mostly top names, but I don't think that's a bad thing.Β There is still a lot of ground to cover - singles Booker T, NWO Stevie Ray, WCW Piper, Jeans DDP, tights Eddie, The Disciple, Bischoff, a million Steiners. Yeah thereβs plenty of people we believe to be under a deal from the Nitro era: Scott Steiner Rick Steiner Hogan Warrior Savage Bischoff Luger DDP Booker Gregory Helms Maybe Goldberg Rey Bret Bulldog Anvil Piper Maybe Regal Eddie Heenan Jimmy Hart Booty Man/Disciple Liz Hall Nash Syxx Hennig DiBiase Bubba/Traylor Bam Bam Dusty Keibler Z-Gangsta Mean Gene Sid Maybe Flair |
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Post by MKSavage on Mar 28, 2023 8:29:27 GMT -5
The figures by themselves at $45 (the price of Cody and Logan Paul) would be $225 $400 for the entire thing with all 5 figures unlocked is a good price for what you get, in this capitalist downward spiral known as 2023 This seems over priced because it is. 5 Ultimates and this stage is probably worth 500+. But this is where theyβre going to get you. They likely know this wonβt hit 5k buyers in a week, so right off the bat youβre likely not getting Hogan, and they also know itβs probably not hitting 9k backers and certainly not 11k backers. So youβre looking at only getting Mysterio, Stage and DDP for $450. If you look at it that way, definitely not worth it. But just because I want the stage, Iβll drop thr $400, but I donβt see us getting all the figures with this and neither do they. Wait, if it doesn't reach 5k backers in a week, then no one gets Hogan? I thought if it eventually reaches 5k backers, and you purchased early (within the 1st week), then you get Hogan. But, if it reaches 5k backers in a week, then anyone who orders at any time (within the 1st week or at the last minute before the crowd funding closes) gets Hogan? Is that not the case? |
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Post by thewrestlingdad on Mar 28, 2023 8:35:14 GMT -5
I just want the figures. Make those to order, at a slightly higher price point, if necessary. the usual $45 MC price would be fine Exactly |
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Post by oldschoolfool on Mar 28, 2023 8:41:20 GMT -5
Wish there was more cruiserweight representation other than Rey.
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Post by kman2100 on Mar 28, 2023 8:44:12 GMT -5
Wait, if it doesn't reach 5k backers in a week, then no one gets Hogan? I thought if it eventually reaches 5k backers, and you purchased early (within the 1st week), then you get Hogan. But, if it reaches 5k backers in a week, then anyone who orders at any time (within the 1st week or at the last minute before the crowd funding closes) gets Hogan? Is that not the case?Β That's what it sounds like, which honestly is completely backwards if you ask me. Basically there is zero incentive to back this early unless you are dying for a debut WCW Hulk, or you want to be guaranteed at least 2 figs with the stage if it doesn't even reach the DDP tier. However my guess is much like last time they'll end up extending the early bird another week to help boost the odds of it even reaching 5K if sales are slow. And to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if they have a 2nd unannounced "early bird" figure, like Bischoff, that will be like the WM10 Savage last time that only people who ordered before a certain date will receive. |
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Post by jokerjohn on Mar 28, 2023 9:18:58 GMT -5
Let's be honest with the reasons Hogan, Warrior, Rey and DDP are here. They are all existing figures they can re use molds and parts for. The DDP everyone wants is obviously going to see a mass release so if that's the case do I really have a need for this DDP considering it's already been made several times. If they were going to do another Hogan at least go with his all black pre NWO look so it's not another red and yellow and probably a less likely candidate for mass release. I also think they need to add more accessories to all of these figures. A robe for Rey is what his Legends figure came with and that one had a title. The mass release is also probably why they didn't choose names who make more sense like Booker and the Outsiders.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Mar 28, 2023 9:22:47 GMT -5
Iβd like to know if they will still individually package the figures this time
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Post by aggressiveperfector on Mar 28, 2023 9:24:16 GMT -5
If this is going to hit all the tiers, Steve and Bill are going to have to beat the cement and go everywhere and sell people on this. Might even have to try to call in some help from the wrestlers involved in this set.
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Mar 28, 2023 9:25:06 GMT -5
Wish there was more cruiserweight representation other than Rey. I think they could have gotten away with a lot more if the figures had a theme or counter part, like if they are going to do Rey also do a WCW Eddie. It just being a random assortment of people does the set no favors. |
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Mar 28, 2023 9:27:52 GMT -5
If this is going to hit all the tiers, Steve and Bill are going to have to beat the cement and go everywhere and sell people on this. Might even have to try to call in some help from the wrestlers involved in this set. Look at how much effort it took the last set to get funded at almost half the price, it's gonna be a real up hill battle for sure. |
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Post by natureboyfauser on Mar 28, 2023 9:32:47 GMT -5
I remember we all saw this at a toy fair a few years back and flipped out! I have not lost my enthusiasm for it. I'm happy Mattel and WWE will acknowledge that part of time and I think the display is beyond cool. So I hope we all stay very positive about it. I will pay for it. Having Scott Steiner is a real motivating factor for me too. In addition, I think a WCW Announcer's table with Eric Bischoff would put this campaign over the top and I hope they consider it.
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Post by y2josh on Mar 28, 2023 9:36:48 GMT -5
I backed the New Gen set, originally wanting just the Doink. Decided to sell the whole thing, only made roughly $100 on everything, including Macho, and everything was still sealed in the shippers. I'm a midcard guy, always have been, and this set doesn't really have anything I would want to risk spending $400 + shipping on, with the very empty promise of at least making my money back to get the one figure. I love WCW, it is my favorite promotion of all time, but I just don't think the price point is feasible enough this time.
This would be funded by diehards, not casuals. Get some lower level WCW guys (ahem, Normal Smiley has been under contract with you for, like, decades) to entice the completists. I just don't see this making it, which is sad, because it will sour Mattel on WCW stuff going forward.
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Post by βππ£π ππ ππππ on Mar 28, 2023 9:37:15 GMT -5
Let's be honest with the reasons Hogan, Warrior, Rey and DDP are here. They are all existing figures they can re use molds and parts for. The DDP everyone wants is obviously going to see a mass release so if that's the case do I really have a need for this DDP considering it's already been made several times. If they were going to do another Hogan at least go with his all black pre NWO look so it's not another red and yellow and probably a less likely candidate for mass release. I also think they need to add more accessories to all of these figures. A robe for Rey is what his Legends figure came with and that one had a title. The mass release is also probably why they didn't choose names who make more sense like Booker and the Outsiders. Could have easily reused tons of other parts to get much more desired figures. Mattel could have basically resused the entire UE Mr. T body for a Booker T or a UE Bret Hart body for an Eddie Guererro. I would've been 10x happier if they just included UE Razor and UE Diesel repaints with new heads for Hall and Nash. |
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