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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 28, 2023 9:39:53 GMT -5
Wait, if it doesn't reach 5k backers in a week, then no one gets Hogan? I thought if it eventually reaches 5k backers, and you purchased early (within the 1st week), then you get Hogan. But, if it reaches 5k backers in a week, then anyone who orders at any time (within the 1st week or at the last minute before the crowd funding closes) gets Hogan? Is that not the case? That's what it sounds like, which honestly is completely backwards if you ask me. Basically there is zero incentive to back this early unless you are dying for a debut WCW Hulk, or you want to be guaranteed at least 2 figs with the stage if it doesn't even reach the DDP tier. However my guess is much like last time they'll end up extending the early bird another week to help boost the odds of it even reaching 5K if sales are slow. And to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if they have a 2nd unannounced "early bird" figure, like Bischoff, that will be like the WM10 Savage last time that only people who ordered before a certain date will receive. What it does is not kill momentum after the early bird. When it unlocks at 5K in the first week, everyone gets it. People can crap on this figure and pretend that they don’t want it but it’s a fully stocked UE Hogan in WCW attire that we’ve been requesting for years. After all the complaining is done, people are gonna realize how much they want this figure. And those who get in late will not be discouraged to back it thinking they missed out on Hogan like everyone did with Macho last time.
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Mar 28, 2023 9:40:21 GMT -5
I’m not fan of that Rey figure but I don’t get the “when I think of WCW Nitro, I don’t think of Rey” argument. Right after nWo, the cruiserweight division is next to be mentioned on what made that era great and Rey was a constant face of the division throughout. Maybe he shouldn’t be the fig that gets bundled with the stage but the cruiser division definitely deserves to be represented in this set. Yeah, I don't get why people are saying that either. Rey was an integral part of the Monday Night Wars in terms of the cruiserweight division. He represents that and I don't think Mattel has many cruiserweights signed besides Syxx and maybe Eddie. WCW's cruiserweight matches were fantastic. I don't mind Rey, but I hate that attire. I would of preferred Red,yellow,black or something with a bit more pop. Hogan and Warrior were not needed and Bret in black would of been beautiful. Another thing is I hope we get a new guardrail set. The last one was not in scale.
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Mar 28, 2023 9:41:45 GMT -5
The stage celebrates the defunct promotion that ran itself into the ground. WCW represents the worst of wrestling since most of this era was trying to be a second rate version of WWF. THe NWO stuff started out as interesting TV but that is not present in this crowdfunding project. Unless they add 3 or 4 more Ultimates, it is NOT worth backing, IMO You’ve been eating good off those WWE propaganda DVDs
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Post by Mongo Bears on Mar 28, 2023 9:55:55 GMT -5
Both hogan shirts will be the same but one with rippable Velcro and one without. No Pastamania 😢
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Post by stc13 on Mar 28, 2023 10:01:01 GMT -5
Let's be honest with the reasons Hogan, Warrior, Rey and DDP are here. They are all existing figures they can re use molds and parts for. The DDP everyone wants is obviously going to see a mass release so if that's the case do I really have a need for this DDP considering it's already been made several times. If they were going to do another Hogan at least go with his all black pre NWO look so it's not another red and yellow and probably a less likely candidate for mass release. I also think they need to add more accessories to all of these figures. A robe for Rey is what his Legends figure came with and that one had a title. The mass release is also probably why they didn't choose names who make more sense like Booker and the Outsiders. Yeah, the tooling budget definitely went to the stage. As it should. Tooling for larger pieces is very expensive. These figures are still pretty involved and high deco. Look at other crowd funded campaigns - the figures are VERY bare bones, with limited or no accessories. These aren't the most detailed or high demand figures ever. But those expectations were never reasonable to begin with.
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Mar 28, 2023 10:08:40 GMT -5
That's what it sounds like, which honestly is completely backwards if you ask me. Basically there is zero incentive to back this early unless you are dying for a debut WCW Hulk, or you want to be guaranteed at least 2 figs with the stage if it doesn't even reach the DDP tier. However my guess is much like last time they'll end up extending the early bird another week to help boost the odds of it even reaching 5K if sales are slow. And to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if they have a 2nd unannounced "early bird" figure, like Bischoff, that will be like the WM10 Savage last time that only people who ordered before a certain date will receive. What it does is not kill momentum after the early bird. When it unlocks at 5K in the first week, everyone gets it. People can crap on this figure and pretend that they don’t want it but it’s a fully stocked UE Hogan in WCW attire that we’ve been requesting for years. After all the complaining is done, people are gonna realize how much they want this figure. And those who get in late will not be discouraged to back it thinking they missed out on Hogan like everyone did with Macho last time. Well I'd tell those people not to worry, if they miss out or it doesn't get made, all they have to do is buy the Amazon Hogan for 30 bucks and buy one of the hundreds of custom wrestling shirts you can easily find. This figure is not good or unique.
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Post by gatorbait85 on Mar 28, 2023 10:25:51 GMT -5
I love the set but it just doesn’t “wow” like it should. When Ozer said it would cost much more I was expecting something more spectacular. The stage is awesome and worth the money but most people aren’t buying stages and don’t have room for them. Then add in the fact there is no matching ring. We all know they are going to drop a WCW ring to go with it shortly. Wouldn’t be surprised if we see it this weekend during reveals. People buy figures not stages. The figures are great but they should be a lot better. Let’s be honest the Hogan is a dull repaint, the Mysterio is yet just another Rey in a long list of Reys and this one that nobody really wants, the DDP is the worst. The 3rd time getting this same exact figure and it might come a 4th time in the greatest hits line. The Steiner is great and the Warrior is good but there’s no guarantee we hit those goals. $400 for the stage, Hulk, and Rey would be a MAJOR disappointment.
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Post by Captain McKay on Mar 28, 2023 10:28:32 GMT -5
If this is going to hit all the tiers, Steve and Bill are going to have to beat the cement and go everywhere and sell people on this. Might even have to try to call in some help from the wrestlers involved in this set. Look at how much effort it took the last set to get funded at almost half the price, it's gonna be a real up hill battle for sure. I think you’re right, but the benefit they have this time is people have the New Gen in hand and know how nice the end product is. People will probably have more trust in the final piece now that they have something to compare it to. Will it be enough trust to get $400 from backers? I’m genuinely curious.
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Mar 28, 2023 10:29:37 GMT -5
Good news, Scotty's torso will be modified. He'll have the U shape singlet. Now if we could just mention the cheaply painted on biker trunks we're on to something. I would swap out the legs with the shorter Austin boots too, but the ones they use work too. I just always remember Scotty with the shorter boots with his white singlet. I'm getting more excited.
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Post by J-MANN on Mar 28, 2023 10:32:05 GMT -5
How many backers do y’all think it’ll get in the first 24 hours?
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Post by Captain McKay on Mar 28, 2023 10:33:08 GMT -5
I love the set but it just doesn’t “wow” like it should. When Ozer said it would cost much more I was expecting something more spectacular. The stage is awesome and worth the money but most people aren’t buying stages and don’t have room for them. Then add in the fact there is no matching ring. We all know they are going to drop a WCW ring to go with it shortly. Wouldn’t be surprised if we see it this weekend during reveals. People buy figures not stages. The figures are great but they should be a lot better. Let’s be honest the Hogan is a dull repaint, the Mysterio is yet just another Rey in a long list of Reys and this one that nobody really wants, the DDP is the worst. The 3rd time getting this same exact figure and it might come a 4th time in the greatest hits line. The Steiner is great and the Warrior is good but there’s no guarantee we hit those goals. $400 for the stage, Hulk, and Rey would be a MAJOR disappointment. When did we get this DDP? If you mean the elite, that figure is ten years old and was an exclusive. There was a repaint with pink trim, and a short haired version that was also a store exclusive a year or two ago. All elites, not ultimates. Saying they’re exactly the same is short-sighted, that’s like saying the upcoming Ultimate Bret is “the worst” (despite improved detail, articulation, and accessories) because it’s in the same gear as the Ringside Exclusive from a decade ago.
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Post by ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕠 𝕂𝕚𝕝𝕝 on Mar 28, 2023 10:44:25 GMT -5
How many backers do y’all think it’ll get in the first 24 hours? I'd probably guess there's a few hundred people really passionate about it and have the money available to preorder day one. We might get a big flood of backers on day 1 and then they'll trickle in and die down on the following days.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Mar 28, 2023 10:50:17 GMT -5
The stage is very nice, but like the New Gen ring and entrance set, I have neither the need, nor the space for this, and cannot justify $400 on the hope that all the tiers will unlock and I'd get all five figures, so that's me out.
I do like to look at how things have played out in the past. I don't know what it means for this campaign, but just some things I thought were interesting:
The New Gen project went up on July 26 and ended on August 22 (28 days). Per the project page, it picked up 8,495 backers at $250, fully unlocking all tiered incentives. On August 5 (11 days in), Mattel rolled out the added incentive of the WMX Macho Man and the announce table set, which expired on August 13 (10 days prior to the end of the campaign). Minimum payoff (worst funded case scenario) would have been the entrance stage, the ring, and the Ultimate Edition Diesel figure (w/ Macho Man for early bird backers)* Doink and the ring skirts (7k and 8k) were unlocked on August 13, right as the early-bird incentive expired.
The Nitro campaign will run for 10 additional days (38). A full unlock requires 11,000 backers at $400 (60% increase in price, 37.5% increase in needed backers). Minimum payoff (worst funded case scenario) will be the entrance stage and the Ultimate Edition Rey Mysterio figure*. Additional incentives unlocks are tiered at 7k, 9k, and 11k.
* Unlike Savage, Hogan is a time locked incentive (goal must hit during the first week), and is thus not included in a worst case scenario.
I like this campaign a lot more, just in terms of my own fandom, but I feel like this is a much steeper hill to climb. It's really hard to argue with the fact that the early bird incentive added along the way drove a lot of the success for the New Gen project, and with Steve already saying in so many words that there won't be any added bonuses this time around, it really makes me wonder if they'll be able to push this one over the 9k mark and beyond at such a large price increase. For the benefit of those that want it (and because I'd love to see the finished product), I really want this one to get backed to completion, but it feels like a much tougher sell than the New Gen arena, and even that was a challenge out of the gate.
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Post by kman2100 on Mar 28, 2023 10:50:23 GMT -5
I must be in the minority here but that DDP is the exact attire I'd want a WCW DDP to be in for my collection. Jeans DDP would be such a bland figure for me. So while I'm still undecided if I'm going to back this if the DDP would have been in his jeans look it would have probably been another negative that I'd have to throw into my decision making process.
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Post by Crossfit Jesus on Mar 28, 2023 10:50:31 GMT -5
I’ll back it on the last day of the early bird. Hopefully it gets to 5k to get it going into 9k for Scotty
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 28, 2023 10:51:29 GMT -5
Most of the major complaints from the last crowdfund were addressed:
✅More figures ✅Something more iconic ✅Something from a more popular era ✅Don’t do it during SDCC ✅Don’t punish those who got in late by not offering the early bird to them ✅Don’t make us buy another ring
This year’s major complaints:
❎I don’t want another Hogan ❎I didn’t want that DDP ❎When was Warrior in WCW? ❎Who’s Rey Mysterio?
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Post by burtgummer on Mar 28, 2023 11:05:25 GMT -5
This seems over priced because it is. 5 Ultimates and this stage is probably worth 500+. But this is where they’re going to get you. They likely know this won’t hit 5k buyers in a week, so right off the bat you’re likely not getting Hogan, and they also know it’s probably not hitting 9k backers and certainly not 11k backers. So you’re looking at only getting Mysterio, Stage and DDP for $450. If you look at it that way, definitely not worth it. But just because I want the stage, I’ll drop thr $400, but I don’t see us getting all the figures with this and neither do they. Wait, if it doesn't reach 5k backers in a week, then no one gets Hogan? I thought if it eventually reaches 5k backers, and you purchased early (within the 1st week), then you get Hogan. But, if it reaches 5k backers in a week, then anyone who orders at any time (within the 1st week or at the last minute before the crowd funding closes) gets Hogan? Is that not the case? If this doesn’t hit 5k backers before the 7th of next month you won’t get the Hogan. If it hits 5k before the 7th then you’ll get the bonus Hogan.
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Mar 28, 2023 11:07:23 GMT -5
Most of the major complaints from the last crowdfund were addressed: ✅More figures ✅Something more iconic ✅Something from a more popular era ✅Don’t do it during SDCC ✅Don’t punish those who got in late by not offering the early bird to them ✅Don’t make us buy another ring This year’s major complaints: ❎I don’t want another Hogan ❎I didn’t want that DDP ❎When was Warrior in WCW? ❎Who’s Rey Mysterio? Kinda glossing over a lot there aren't we, people didn't like that the Nash was so plain and the same thing is being said about Rey, people said it was only worth it if everything gets unlocked and people are saying the exact same thing with this, people said the NG Arena was priced too high and people are saying the exact same thing, people said that they don't have room for gigantic sets and are only interested in the figures and people are saying the exact same thing. The only difference I've seen so far is an extra 150 dollars on a downward spiral to a recession, a less desirable early bird special than Macho and them partially learning people want figures.
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Post by Warriah' on Mar 28, 2023 11:07:56 GMT -5
Most of the major complaints from the last crowdfund were addressed: ✅More figures ✅Something more iconic ✅Something from a more popular era ✅Don’t do it during SDCC ✅Don’t punish those who got in late by not offering the early bird to them ✅Don’t make us buy another ring This year’s major complaints: ❎I don’t want another Hogan ❎I didn’t want that DDP ❎When was Warrior in WCW? ❎Who’s Rey Mysterio? This years major complaints about the actual product/offering are that the Hogan is little more than a rerelease, front loading the worst figures and mattel seem to be scamming non-Americans by overcharging on customs.
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Post by NoseBleedcollectibles on Mar 28, 2023 11:10:12 GMT -5
How many backers do y’all think it’ll get in the first 24 hours? I'd probably guess there's a few hundred people really passionate about it and have the money available to preorder day one. We might get a big flood of backers on day 1 and then they'll trickle in and die down on the following days. Tree fiddy
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