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Post by CM Tusk on Apr 8, 2023 16:16:08 GMT -5
Steve said that’s it, and I tend to believe him. This thing has had 2 backers in the last couple hours. Just like the real WCW, you don’t have Eddie Guerrero, you don’t last much longer.
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Post by kanepilk on Apr 8, 2023 16:31:45 GMT -5
Although it obviously won't happen (although who knows), I reckon starting from scratch would work here, a bit better.
Include everything from the word go. If I personally want to back this, I am not going to be buying 11,000 of them, so get rid of the tiers. I can't help if other people buy it or not, so no need to punish/reward me for other people's behaviour.
Include all the figures with the stage and set a middle-ground, realistic backing number of, for argument sake, 7,000. The stage is great, and although it's the star of the show for me, it doesn't seem to be resonating that way with others. The figures are important and they help to cushion the blow of spending $400+ on the set. It's clear that people are taking issue with the set costing $400 and only coming with Rey (and let's face it, that's where we're headed, if it even gets backed at all).
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Post by SteveHulk on Apr 8, 2023 16:38:38 GMT -5
How bout a huge surprise announcement on Monday! Come on mattel… it’s can’t miss crowdfunding:)🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
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Post by natureboyfauser on Apr 8, 2023 16:52:17 GMT -5
On the one hand, I could see Mattel saying ... "the fans went crazy over the WCW Entrance when we first showed it, so we did our diligence to make one available based on a price point we must have to make it work. It's on you now." Which is kind of what they did.
The other part is an inexact science on how you please the masses or enough to make it go. Figure selection, price point, etc ... and how can fans who want it get it all without depending on others? Is there a price point that could assure this? I would probably pay $1,000 for this set with all included. I wonder how many others would do the same? Would that make it so? I think some are watching the momentum to see if it will get activated before they jump in. Others are waiting until it gets closer to activating Steiner to jump in.
We are at 40 percent there with 27 days left. That's not bad. But I certainly would like to see something creative by Mattel that would help us jump-start this to 5,000 sooner than later. I think others would jump in.
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Post by kirk815 on Apr 8, 2023 17:04:10 GMT -5
In the Q&A, someone asked if they could add more (in that example, Bischoff/announce table before he was revealed with the ring) and AFA said that they can't add more because it is loaded and they already put everything they possibly could into it from a cost perspective.
With Hogan gone, that's no longer the case.
Mattel can:
1. Leave things as is (and it will probably fail).
2. Extend Hogan's early bird deadline (which I don't think would help much since it didn't hit the mark the first time).
3. Add a new early bird option (I don't see this as likely unless they had someone already planned as a backup).
4. Move figures down the tiers. They can't swap Rey with DDP, Steiner, or Warrior like people keep suggesting since 2K backed it with him being released at 5K. They can move people down, but not up (another example - they can't swap DDP with Warrior).
For example, they could make Steiner an early bird and then move Warrior down to his spot. If the stage hits 5K by 4/15, then we get Rey and Steiner at 5K and Warrior would be the 9K slot. If they don't hit 5K then Scott goes back to his spot and Warrior stays in his spot.
I'm not sure why people ask Steve or Bill if they will change things hours/days after a crowdfund is announced (in this case before Hogan failed). It's not like they are going to say upfront, sure don't buy it the way that they planned for months/years.
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Post by SteveHulk on Apr 8, 2023 17:12:19 GMT -5
At the very minimum, they could extend the Hogan offer and just make him available to everyone (so everyone is guaranteed Hogan and Rey). But switching things around a bit and putting Steiner in there (ie. guaranteed Steiner and Rey) is probably the better way to go.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 17:12:38 GMT -5
I'll jump in on this once it reaches DDP and Steiner levels. No point before that Not telling you what to do, but if everyone is using that mentality it’s not going to reach either of them. Then it goes to show that nobody cares about Hogan, Mysterio and not really DDP. Consumers want figures they’ve never had before. It also shows that the desire for the main product (the stage) just isn’t there at that quantity. It doesn’t get backed and we all move on.
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Post by tim on Apr 8, 2023 17:43:24 GMT -5
At the very minimum, they could extend the Hogan offer and just make him available to everyone (so everyone is guaranteed Hogan and Rey). But switching things around a bit and putting Steiner in there (ie. guaranteed Steiner and Rey) is probably the better way to go. I was thinking this. I feel that a lot of units would sell if everyone knew they were getting at least the stage, Hogan, and Rey.
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Apr 8, 2023 18:06:24 GMT -5
I don't see any way this gets backed. Mattel cannot change the terms now -- because then it sets the precedent they will change the terms every time. It's struggling to get to 5,000 -- which is not a great deal. 400 for the stage and *1* figure. There's not confidence it will unlock the other figures, so people don't want to jump in. And there is just not demand for 11,000. If it gets that high, a lot of people would be buying to resell. But with 11,000 -- it won't be nearly as valuable. This one sadly looks unsalvageable. SUCH a cool item though. Most saying they didn’t want the Hulk figure are now clamoring for the Hulk figure. Makes no sense. Lol, where?
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Post by hb2k4life on Apr 8, 2023 18:23:17 GMT -5
Steve said that’s it, and I tend to believe him. This thing has had 2 backers in the last couple hours. Just like the real WCW, you don’t have Eddie Guerrero, you don’t last much longer. He said thats it, but never said they couldn't change the tiers or where the figures are in the lineup. I get there won't be a suprise Kevin Nash or Scott Hall waiting in the wings, but he can always switch rey with ddp. Even do a late bird special with Steiner as the figure. No new figures, but we would get 2 with the stage at 5k
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on Apr 8, 2023 18:39:45 GMT -5
Would the crowdfund done any better if Sting and Big Show was still available to Mattel? Ultimate Crow Sting for instance? And an Ultimate Giant perhaps?
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Post by CM Tusk on Apr 8, 2023 18:42:22 GMT -5
Would the crowdfund done any better if Sting was still available to Mattel? Ultimate Crow Sting for instance? Thing is, if Sting were still available they would have probably already done a couple Sting Ultimates so we’d have the same complaint about repaints. It would all really depend on the look they went with.
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Post by RedDevil on Apr 8, 2023 18:43:21 GMT -5
I'm a bit conflicted on what Mattel will do next with this: on one hand I can't see them wanting to be seen to alter the offer again after what happened with the New Gen arena as that would confirm the precedent that Mattel can be influenced to give more/change things every time things go bad, but will we see Mattel just sit back for a month waiting for the inevitable failure to be confirmed?
So what's more likely? Mattel swallow their pride and again change the offer to save the project? Or that they let it die without trying anything?
I think that they'll actually let it die, as crazy as that sounds.
We shall see.
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Post by PJ on Apr 8, 2023 18:44:26 GMT -5
I hope it’s backed. But at this point if on May 6 this isn’t backed then I will take that money and buy the McFarlane Batwing for the Flash movie.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 8, 2023 18:47:47 GMT -5
At the very minimum, they could extend the Hogan offer and just make him available to everyone (so everyone is guaranteed Hogan and Rey). But switching things around a bit and putting Steiner in there (ie. guaranteed Steiner and Rey) is probably the better way to go. I was thinking this. I feel that a lot of units would sell if everyone knew they were getting at least the stage, Hogan, and Rey. How does this make any sense? We already had the chance to be guaranteed Hogan, Rey and the stage and barely 2,000 people backed it. Those three together isn’t enticing enough for people. For all the people that are waiting until it reaches a certain number are hurting this as well. I don’t understand why you wouldn’t back it first and then cancel if it doesn’t look like it’s reaches your tier versus waiting to back until it reaches the tier. You’re just taking another number away from the total. You won’t get charged yet anyway.
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on Apr 8, 2023 18:55:58 GMT -5
Would the crowdfund done any better if Sting was still available to Mattel? Ultimate Crow Sting for instance? Thing is, if Sting were still available they would have probably already done a couple Sting Ultimates so we’d have the same complaint about repaints. It would all really depend on the look they went with. True but I'm sure Mattel could have made another Crow Sting look that wasn't an Ultimate by that time. I just think Mattel didn't have the right names to push this crowdfund. How would this lineup go.. Early Bird- Eric Bischoff or Tony Schivone Ultimate Chris Jericho Ultimate DDP Ultimate Crow Sting Ultimate Giant Ultimate Raven Scott Steiner will get an elite and Ultimate by the time this crowdfund gets to your house.
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Post by PJ on Apr 8, 2023 18:57:56 GMT -5
Would the crowdfund done any better if Sting was still available to Mattel? Ultimate Crow Sting for instance? Thing is, if Sting were still available they would have probably already done a couple Sting Ultimates so we’d have the same complaint about repaints. It would all really depend on the look they went with. Nonsense! I said this when he was still under contract and I still believe it today. They could/should have put Sting in every wave of every wwe line they released and he would sell. With all the bright face paints he had kids would be eating that up. And collectors would be buying them as well. I know I would buy every Sting released.
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on Apr 8, 2023 19:01:48 GMT -5
Thing is, if Sting were still available they would have probably already done a couple Sting Ultimates so we’d have the same complaint about repaints. It would all really depend on the look they went with. Nonsense! I said this when he was still under contract and I still believe it today. They could/should have put Sting in every wave of every wwe line they released and he would sell. With all the bright face paints he had kids would be eating that up. And collectors would be buying them as well. I know I would buy every Sting released. Sting was one of the major cornerstones of WCW and not having him in the crowdfund especially being WCW feels weird. In my opinion it would have helped this crowdfund move faster.
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Post by Warriah' on Apr 8, 2023 19:03:44 GMT -5
Realistically they can’t take Rey out of tier 1 since 2k people have backed under the assumption they would get that figure.
Moving the tiers around is a little messy too. If they move Steiner to being a late bird that leaves a vacuum where the 9k spot is. Do they move Warrior down?
The cleanest thing to do is forget Hogan, keep the other tiers as is, relaunch with a fixed international solution and a genuine 10 day early bird.
If they came out and said. ‘We’ve heard you. We’ve fixed our ordering system for international buyers and we realised our early bird offering was inadequate. So everyone who backed so far, and everyone who backs over the next 10 days will receive an exclusive Halloween Havoc 96 Macho Man once we hit 5k.’
It shouldn’t be out of their budget to replace Hogan and launch the replacement as an early bird. Maybe if it was possible within their budget they could reinsert Hogan back in the offering at like 12k.
If they did that. This thing could easily see Steiner minimum.
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Post by CM Tusk on Apr 8, 2023 19:06:13 GMT -5
Thing is, if Sting were still available they would have probably already done a couple Sting Ultimates so we’d have the same complaint about repaints. It would all really depend on the look they went with. Nonsense! I said this when he was still under contract and I still believe it today. They could/should have put Sting in every wave of every wwe line they released and he would sell. With all the bright face paints he had kids would be eating that up. And collectors would be buying them as well. I know I would buy every Sting released. Surfer Sting, for sure, but there’s only so many WCW crow looks.
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