Warriah'
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Post by Warriah' on Apr 9, 2023 20:13:37 GMT -5
Steve, Could you move Scott Steiner up to where Hulk was? Which I think would get us to the 5,000 and put his brother Rick where Scott was on the tier? People might fight harder to get those two brothers together in those outfits. Doesn't mean they can't make other Ricks & and Scott's but just a thought. I’d love if they could do that, but I think with him Mentioning the tiers were picked strategically rules that out. With Steiner requiring a new body mold, new head etc. that one would definitely be more costly that Hogan (or at least I would think it would be) They have Rick heads created for the upcoming elite they could use. But this is also why I suggested Savage. He’d be a repaint of an existing UE macho with a recoloured soft goods coat. All the parts exist and if you pick the right attire you’re onto a jackpot. It’d be kinda a neat tradition of Macho came into bail out the nitro arena after doing the same for the new gen too |
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Apr 9, 2023 20:14:30 GMT -5
Lots of assumptions in the last few pages.
‘Ok Steve, I’m about to save your tails. Here’s what you do, you switch the tiers around and I guarantee this will get it going. That’ll get me to buy several and others will too! Trust me, I’ve never spent a day in the toy manufacturing business, but I’m on this forum ALOT, I know how this stuff works. No need to thank me….you’re welcome 😉’
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2023 20:15:43 GMT -5
So doing something like putting the Hogan and Steiner at 5K, DDP at 7K, Rey at 9K, and keeping Warrior at 11K wouldn’t work? How could you possibly think this is an option? You can’t rearrange the tiers after people already backed it. You’re then assuming that the people that had already backed it weren’t interested in the Rey and then you’re taking it away from them. This is what was offered. We either like it and back it, or don’t. We are lucky that Steve is even interacting with us at all on this. We really shouldn’t have any input whatsoever. This isn’t some main line item. It’s an exclusive offering. The feedback is in if we back it or not. All of these “opinions” are unnecessary and frankly show how little some people know about marketing, production, etc. For example, you stated earlier that Mattel would be making 4.4 million. Mattel is not walking away with a net profit of 4.4 million with 11,000 backers. You literally didn’t even take into account the production cost. For everyone saying “lower the tiers,” please stop making a fool of yourself. Steve even touched on this earlier. You need a certain number of backers to reach a certain revenue to reach a possibility of producing another figure. It is not financially possible for them to make all five figures and the stage for 5,000 backers. It’s ludicrous to even suggest that. The thing people are forgetting is we are not owed anything. Steve and the Mattel team worked hard to create an exclusive item that can only be made in a crowdfunding type scenario. It doesn’t NEED to be made, but it can be made if we want. If you don’t like the price, then don’t buy it. If you don’t like the figures, then don’t buy it. But enough with the negativity and suggestions. They worked hard on this, this was the offering we got, and we can simply choose to back it or not. It’s truly that simple. WE are the ones funding this, we ABSOLUTELY have a say in how things work. We aren't just buying something, we are making an investment. Because if this gets funded, they use our investment to use this setup for something else and have it be cheaper. The Nitro stage is a test run of things bigger so that when they are made, the parts and manufacturing are already there to make it. Are you going to invest money in stocks and then say that you shouldn't have any input whatsoever? That's basically what you're suggesting here. If they want our money, then they need to at least consider our suggestions as we who back are basically co-owners of this thing. Our stages and whatever else is backed is our share. |
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Post by coldblooded on Apr 9, 2023 20:17:05 GMT -5
I’d love if they could do that, but I think with him Mentioning the tiers were picked strategically rules that out. With Steiner requiring a new body mold, new head etc. that one would definitely be more costly that Hogan (or at least I would think it would be) They have Rick heads created for the upcoming elite they could use. But this is also why I suggested Savage. He’d be a repaint of an existing UE macho with a recoloured soft goods coat. All the parts exist and if you pick the right attire you’re onto a jackpot. It’d be kinda a neat tradition of Macho came into bail out the nitro arena after doing the same for the new gen too Would have been also neat to include hall since those parts are readily available now just swap colors. Then you can say diesel backed new gens and hall backed nitro. |
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Post by theman on Apr 9, 2023 20:17:16 GMT -5
Lots of assumptions in the last few pages. ‘Ok Steve, I’m about to save your tails. Here’s what you do, switch the tiers around and I guarantee this will get it going. That’ll get me to buy several and others will too! Trust me, I’ve never spent a day in the toy manufacturing business, but I’m on this forum ALOT, I know how this stuff works. No need to thank me….you’re welcome 😉’ No joke and many of those same people "just had to have it " when it was first shown over a year ago with no figures added. You either want the stage or you don't, figures should be an added bonus. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2023 20:19:17 GMT -5
Lots of assumptions in the last few pages. ‘Ok Steve, I’m about to save your tails. Here’s what you do, switch the tiers around and I guarantee this will get it going. That’ll get me to buy several and others will too! Trust me, I’ve never spent a day in the toy manufacturing business, but I’m on this forum ALOT, I know how this stuff works. No need to thank me….you’re welcome 😉’ and I suppose YOU have? I've worked in jobs that require customer service and the key is to always listen to the customer and work with them. Come to a middle ground. Are some of the asks out of the question? Absolutely, but there are a bit that would help. crapting on the people like me that are legitimately trying to brainstorm and come up with solutions aren't helping and just make you out to look like an bunghole. BTW, I used MUCH stronger words but this board does what it wants.... |
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 9, 2023 20:22:58 GMT -5
Lots of assumptions in the last few pages. ‘Ok Steve, I’m about to save your tails. Here’s what you do, you switch the tiers around and I guarantee this will get it going. That’ll get me to buy several and others will too! Trust me, I’ve never spent a day in the toy manufacturing business, but I’m on this forum ALOT, I know how this stuff works. No need to thank me….you’re welcome 😉’ Amen. |
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 9, 2023 20:23:28 GMT -5
How could you possibly think this is an option? You can’t rearrange the tiers after people already backed it. You’re then assuming that the people that had already backed it weren’t interested in the Rey and then you’re taking it away from them. This is what was offered. We either like it and back it, or don’t. We are lucky that Steve is even interacting with us at all on this. We really shouldn’t have any input whatsoever. This isn’t some main line item. It’s an exclusive offering. The feedback is in if we back it or not. All of these “opinions” are unnecessary and frankly show how little some people know about marketing, production, etc. For example, you stated earlier that Mattel would be making 4.4 million. Mattel is not walking away with a net profit of 4.4 million with 11,000 backers. You literally didn’t even take into account the production cost. For everyone saying “lower the tiers,” please stop making a fool of yourself. Steve even touched on this earlier. You need a certain number of backers to reach a certain revenue to reach a possibility of producing another figure. It is not financially possible for them to make all five figures and the stage for 5,000 backers. It’s ludicrous to even suggest that. The thing people are forgetting is we are not owed anything. Steve and the Mattel team worked hard to create an exclusive item that can only be made in a crowdfunding type scenario. It doesn’t NEED to be made, but it can be made if we want. If you don’t like the price, then don’t buy it. If you don’t like the figures, then don’t buy it. But enough with the negativity and suggestions. They worked hard on this, this was the offering we got, and we can simply choose to back it or not. It’s truly that simple. WE are the ones funding this, we ABSOLUTELY have a say in how things work. We aren't just buying something, we are making an investment. Because if this gets funded, they use our investment to use this setup for something else and have it be cheaper. The Nitro stage is a test run of things bigger so that when they are made, the parts and manufacturing are already there to make it. Are you going to invest money in stocks and then say that you shouldn't have any input whatsoever? That's basically what you're suggesting here. If they want our money, then they need to at least consider our suggestions as we who back are basically co-owners of this thing. Our stages and whatever else is backed is our share. Ah, so what you’re telling me is that you also don’t understand how stocks work… |
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Post by tim on Apr 9, 2023 20:26:32 GMT -5
for some reason or another, over the last week I’ve become really attached to the Hogan and Rey figures in particular and will be bummed if we don’t get them/it doesn’t reach the goal. Same thing happened with me and the Doink figure lmao
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Post by William Bartholomew Miekina on Apr 9, 2023 20:31:34 GMT -5
Ah, so what you’re telling me is that you also don’t understand how stocks work… I do and SHAREHOLDERS have a say in company operations. Not everyone is like WWE who ignores them and then a rapist forces his way back on to the board..... Holy shit. It’s toys lady. It’s just toys. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2023 20:33:53 GMT -5
I do and SHAREHOLDERS have a say in company operations. Not everyone is like WWE who ignores them and then a rapist forces his way back on to the board..... Holy crap. It’s toys lady. It’s just toys. Tell that to the other guy. I'm trying to help with ideas and getting people's complaints known and we got people like that. |
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Post by Xæro #FakeCollector on Apr 9, 2023 20:35:13 GMT -5
Lots of assumptions in the last few pages. ‘Ok Steve, I’m about to save your tails. Here’s what you do, you switch the tiers around and I guarantee this will get it going. That’ll get me to buy several and others will too! Trust me, I’ve never spent a day in the toy manufacturing business, but I’m on this forum ALOT, I know how this stuff works. No need to thank me….you’re welcome 😉’ They run a fig fed, they clearly know how things work |
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Apr 9, 2023 20:39:17 GMT -5
and I suppose YOU have? I've worked in jobs that require customer service and the key is to always listen to the customer and work with them. Come to a middle ground. Are some of the asks out of the question? Absolutely, but there are a bit that would help. crapting on the people like me that are legitimately trying to brainstorm and come up with solutions aren't helping and just make you out to look like an bunghole. BTW, I used MUCH stronger words but this board does what it wants.... Ah the old 'I've worked in customer service so I know better than you how this will work'. News flash, most people have worked in customer service in some capacity. I'm fairly confident based on how testy you are that your 'customer service' experience is either retail or fast food (although this is where you correct me and say 'I'll have you know I've been in the biggest customer service agency for over 20 years, Buster Brown'. If that's the case then you need meds, because you clearly have a lot of anger associated with someone disagreeing with you.) All you've really shared is what YOU want them to do. Just switching the tiers around isn't going to magically fund this thing. The tiers are what they are for a reason. Hogan was a bonus because he was basically a repaint with a head that I'm sure we'll see sooner than later. Rey I'm sure they at least have a torso for or can re-use on a later Rey, DDP looks like his parts are re-used. Steiner is a lot of new tooling, and Warrior also appears to have new leg tooling. This is why you need to reach a certain amount of money to justify the new tooling. If Steiner is first tier, they lose money because the tooling isn't in the base budget (which is Rey's tooling and the actual stage). Beyond the financials lots of people still don't have space so they won't back it, there's still the issues for the overseas buyers who won't back it on principle or because they can't afford to with the surcharges. I could be wrong, maybe changing the tiers would be easy for them and they will do it and it will fund. If that's the case, then I was wrong, but like I said, Mattel set it up this way for a reason. |
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Post by azraelms on Apr 9, 2023 20:39:45 GMT -5
What if it instead of tiers of units sold it went by when you order? 2,000 by first week-gets hogan 3,000 x date gets DDP 5,000 by deadline Steiner 7,000 last day gets all. This would give fans a chance to get them all and also incentive to order early and give pressure to order by every deadline Of course the people who order early keep getting them all as deadlines approach. Well we need 5K units to move forward at all. That’s our MOQ (minimum order quantity) negotiated with the factory for this particular item. Any less and the cost skyrockets and the item becomes an impossibility. Steve, like many others I do thank you for joining us here on your free time on this holiday weekend. Would it be possible to clarify what adjustments could possibly be made? 5,000 is the minimum, but would there be a possibility of moving those figures around? I mentioned earlier about just adding Hogan in at the base price and not as an early bird. Hogan may not move the needle, but my initial thought is this option: 5,000 = Stage, Rey, & Hogan Minimum Needed 7,000 = DDP Unlocked 9,000 = Big Poppa Pump Steiner Unlocked 11,000 = Ultimate Warrior Unlocked HOWEVER - if there was an option to shuffle these around, I would suggest this: 5,000 = Stage, DDP, & Ultimate Warrior Minimum Needed 7,000 = Big Poppa Pump Steiner Unlocked 9,000 = Hogan Unlocked 11,000 = Rey Mysterio Unlocked If there was a possibility of doing this, I am of the opinion that this would have a good shot to get to 7,000 at least. So my question is that at this point, is figure shuffling something that would be possible to help fix this? I am taking the position that if this stage doesn't go through now, we will NEVER see it. And we will NEVER see the Raw stage either. And I want both, to be honest. A number of people here are in for the figures - and that is cool for them - so if shuffling these figures is an option, then my suggestion is what I have listed above. Thank you for taking the time to read through this, |
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 9, 2023 20:41:05 GMT -5
Ah, so what you’re telling me is that you also don’t understand how stocks work… I do and SHAREHOLDERS have a say in company operations. Not everyone is like WWE who ignores them and then a rapist forces his way back on to the board..... This is just outright false. Being a shareholder does not give you a say in day-to-day operations. There are voting and non-voting stocks, but even with voting stocks, you only have a say through a vote. In the loosest connection possible, you can compare this scenario with having a “vote” (either backing or not backing), but you absolutely do not have a say in the choices like what tier Scott Steiner should be in. You’re not helping with your baseless suggestions. |
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Post by tim on Apr 9, 2023 20:41:27 GMT -5
People who didn’t back in the first week, didn’t necessarily do it because they didn’t care about the Hogan. I’m sure many were concerned that if they backed early and it didn’t reach the 5,000 by April 7, but did by May 5, they would be backing only the stage and Rey. Whereas with the New Generation, if you backed before the early deadline, you were guaranteed the stage, Diesel, and Savage, as long as it reached 5,000 by the final deadline.
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Post by tim on Apr 9, 2023 20:45:07 GMT -5
Hogan may not move the needle, but my initial thought is this option: 5,000 = Stage, Rey, & Hogan Minimum Needed 7,000 = DDP Unlocked 9,000 = Big Poppa Pump Steiner Unlocked 11,000 = Ultimate Warrior Unlocked I think this is the way. We got 2,000 in a little over a week. I think with this, we reach DDP and maybe some momentum even gets us to Steiner. |
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 9, 2023 20:46:38 GMT -5
and I suppose YOU have? I've worked in jobs that require customer service and the key is to always listen to the customer and work with them. Come to a middle ground. Are some of the asks out of the question? Absolutely, but there are a bit that would help. crapting on the people like me that are legitimately trying to brainstorm and come up with solutions aren't helping and just make you out to look like an bunghole. BTW, I used MUCH stronger words but this board does what it wants.... Ah the old 'I've worked in customer service so I know better than you how this will work'. News flash, most people have worked in customer service in some capacity. I'm fairly confident based on how testy you are that your 'customer service' experience is either retail or fast food (although this is where you correct me and say 'I'll have you know I've been in the biggest customer service agency for over 20 years, Buster Brown'. If that's the case then you need meds, because you clearly have a lot of anger associated with someone disagreeing with you.) All you've really shared is what YOU want them to do. Just switching the tiers around isn't going to magically fund this thing. The tiers are what they are for a reason. Hogan was a bonus because he was basically a repaint with a head that I'm sure we'll see sooner than later. Rey I'm sure they at least have a torso for, DDP looks like his parts are re-used. Steiner is a lot of new tooling, and Warrior also appears to have new leg tooling. This is why you need to reach a certain amount of money to justify the new tooling. If Steiner is first tier, they lose money because the tooling isn't in the base budget (which is Rey's tooling and the actual stage). Beyond the financials lots of people still don't have space so they won't back it, there's still the issues for the overseas buyers who won't back it on principle or because they can't afford to with the surcharges. I could be wrong, maybe changing the tiers would be easy for them and they will do it and it will fund. If that's the case, then I was wrong, but like I said, Mattel set it up this way for a reason. Wow, someone that understands how production costs, profit margins, and tooling works. It’s hard to find in this thread… People really need to stop asking Steve if we can lower the tiers or shift the tiers. There is a reason it was laid out this way! |
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 9, 2023 20:48:00 GMT -5
People who didn’t back in the first week, didn’t necessarily do it because they didn’t care about the Hogan. I’m sure many were concerned that if they backed early and it didn’t reach the 5,000 by April 7, but did by May 5, they would be backing only the stage and Rey. Whereas with the New Generation, if you backed before the early deadline, you were guaranteed the stage, Diesel, and Savage, as long as it reached 5,000 by the final deadline. That’s silly. They could have easily cancelled after April 7th if it didn’t reach 5,000. No reason for them to wait to see if it reaches when they know there’s a deadline for a certain figure. |
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Post by tim on Apr 9, 2023 21:13:47 GMT -5
People who didn’t back in the first week, didn’t necessarily do it because they didn’t care about the Hogan. I’m sure many were concerned that if they backed early and it didn’t reach the 5,000 by April 7, but did by May 5, they would be backing only the stage and Rey. Whereas with the New Generation, if you backed before the early deadline, you were guaranteed the stage, Diesel, and Savage, as long as it reached 5,000 by the final deadline. That’s silly. They could have easily cancelled after April 7th if it didn’t reach 5,000. No reason for them to wait to see if it reaches when they know there’s a deadline for a certain figure. Easily is relative. It’s not like it’s the simple click of the button whenever you please, you have to call during business hours on a week day and a lot of people hate having to talk on the phone to anyone, much less to a customer service rep where you have no idea how long you have to hold. |
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