voicesinmyhead
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 9, 2023 21:16:18 GMT -5
That’s silly. They could have easily cancelled after April 7th if it didn’t reach 5,000. No reason for them to wait to see if it reaches when they know there’s a deadline for a certain figure. Easily is relative. It’s not like it’s the simple click of the button whenever you please, you have to call during business hours on a week day and a lot of people hate having to talk on the phone to anyone, much less to a customer service rep where you have no idea how long you have to hold. So having to make a phone call is the reason people are waiting… A phone call is definitely a difficult obstacle that I forgot to consider. |
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tim
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Post by tim on Apr 9, 2023 21:20:39 GMT -5
Easily is relative. It’s not like it’s the simple click of the button whenever you please, you have to call during business hours on a week day and a lot of people hate having to talk on the phone to anyone, much less to a customer service rep where you have no idea how long you have to hold. So having to make a phone call is the reason people are waiting… A phone call is definitely a difficult obstacle that I forgot to consider. I’m serious! There legit is a difference between being able to cancel something with one click of a button at 2 am on a Saturday when you’re sitting on a toilet, vs being on the phone for potentially like 30-45 minutes |
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Apr 9, 2023 21:29:47 GMT -5
Holy crap this thread is going places.
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Post by Xæro #FakeCollector on Apr 9, 2023 21:34:06 GMT -5
Holy crap this thread is going places. Get your popcorn ready, because I think we're on the verge of a meltdown |
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wrestlingfan1000
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Post by wrestlingfan1000 on Apr 9, 2023 21:36:00 GMT -5
Got to give it to Steve coming on here and just letting us know about the situation while responding to members on here certain questions we have. Not to mention responding to the qna thread on a monthly basis. He really contributes and engages with the consumers/ fans of the product more than I have ever seen from any other toy manufacturing brand.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Apr 9, 2023 21:36:33 GMT -5
Nothing like a good old fashioned "WF members pile on Steve/Bill, telling them how to do a job none of them happen to hold and/or qualify for" to really drive home those early thread pleas of community and togetherness.  |
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Post by LA Times on Apr 9, 2023 21:47:05 GMT -5
Nothing like a good old fashioned "WF members pile on Steve/Bill, telling them how to do a job none of them happen to hold and/or qualify for" to really drive home those early thread pleas of community and togetherness. Reminds me of gems like this thread and thankful people here arent working for Mattel forum.wrestlingfigs.com/thread/342621/boss |
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Post by Rocket_Fuel_Merchant on Apr 9, 2023 21:51:02 GMT -5
Leave Warrior out of this. He wasn’t same old. We don’t have a Warrior that looks anything like it. I bet if we announced that Warrior as a MNW or Legends Ultimate on its own, people would have gone nuts for it. Being in a lineup of figures where you have to potentially get them all and unlock them left this open to a lot of debate and extra scrutiny. You're damn right it would Steve...it would sell like hotcakes...I'd personally preorder 2 and then get at least one more when I could find it on sale...that figure is ridiculously good Perhaps but I wouldn't be one of them since I'm fine with the Ultimate series 1 Warrior that was from that time period. That figure is going on what, 4 years old now? Have you seen what it goes for on the secondary market? And not sealed...open, or even loose? The hobby has gained a lot of collectors in the past 4 years...myself just in the past year All 5 of these figures would’ve sold fine as UEs or even as Elites if they would’ve been released normally yet people act like these figures are the worst decisions you guys have ever made 😂😂 Absolutely 100% . . . Here's the thing at the end of the day...people tall a big game. When they see things like the Nitro Stage, or the RAW Stage...it's freakin awesome...they want it, they NEED it. They don't care what it costs, don't care what else it comes with, it HAS to be made... Mattel (or Hasbro, or anyone else for that matter) has nothing to go on other than feedback, which was overwhelmingly positive for the stage... But when the rubber hits the road and it's time for people to put up or shut up...they bail. They find every excuse in the book not to put their money where their mouth is. They'll even lie, and actively encourage others NOT to back it, at a detriment to the hobby as a whole...MAYBE some different figs, or a different order of tiers might have helped, but honestly? I'm not sure... Mark my words...whether this thing funds or not, if the next project is the RAW Stage, most of the same arguments, and probably from a lot of the "they should have done the RAW Stage crowd" will be out in force The only thing I am sure of, is that this thing failing doesn't have a positive...it hurts the hobby and this particular community regardless. I doubt we see the RAW Stage outside of conventions ever again, we're gonna miss out on some awesome figs... I was hesitant after Hogan failed, because I'm not a real Rey Mysterio fan, so the idea of the Stage + Rey being it is kinda meh, even thought about cancelling. However after seeing some people on social media legit bragging, borderline celebrating Hogan not funding solidified me staying in 100%... Steve, if you're still listening, I would very much support the idea of adjusting tiers in the sense of moving figures around. I understand that Hogan could be out for good, and that the tier (numbers) need to stay put... But I'm CONFIDENT Scotty Steiner at 5k guarantees this thing gets backed...somewhat selfishly, I'd put the Warrior at 7k...that duster is just toooooo good...DDP at 9k and Rey at 11k... If there is any sort of trickery possible to add Hogan back so be it... |
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RedDevil
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Post by RedDevil on Apr 9, 2023 21:51:26 GMT -5
Action Figure Attack : Reading your posts it seems that your options are very limited here concerning the price, the tiers, the international situation, etc., so I’ve tried to think about some other possible carrots you could maybe offer. Would any of the following be workable?: Option 1: A discount for backers on another WWE Mattel Creations product? For example accounts that are recognised as backers of the stage might receive a one-off, one-per-customer (regardless of how many stages backed, everyone gets the same) discount on a specified future item - the most obvious probably being the WCW ring with Eric Bischoff, or maybe the next Coliseum Collection? 10%, 25%, or whichever numbers could work for Mattel? This might have the advantage of shifting more units of the item as the backers might feel they are getting a special deal, but it avoids taking any money from the crowd funder directly. Option 2: The backers get exclusive early access to this year’s SDCC exclusive on Mattel Creations? This is often the most frustrating collector’s experience of the year with the quick sell-outs and the slow check-outs battling with the other brands on Mattel Creations as their exclusives go up at the same time - could backers be granted an hour’s early access to the WWE exclusive? Doesn’t seem like this would cost Mattel anything as there’s no discount involved, but might appeal to collectors? Make them feel a bit more special and appreciated for having backed the stage? This assumes you will make enough SDCC sets available on Creations to cover the total backers, but I guess early access doesn’t guarantee success at actually buying the item. Option 3: Exclusive access to a special WCW Nitro future item TBA? This could be an Ultimate WCW figure that you don’t plan to release at full retail - debut Warrior would’ve been perfect for this, but also something like a LWo Eddie, an nWo Curt Hennig (possibly in a two-pack with Rick Rude?), or a Lord Steven Regal if he’s available again, or of course a FTITL of a guy with a WCW Nitro history who wouldn’t usually make it to Ultimate level - a Mortis or Glacier level guy for example (I mean you got access to The Goon, so I’m thinking a gimmick like this isn’t completely out of the question in terms of who WWE might make available?) Or maybe something larger like the WCW commentary booth? Remember: all you are offering is exclusive access to this item - the customer still has to pay for it. But if they aren’t backers then they can’t get it at all until the secondary market. Not knowing what the item would be should trigger the FOMO element as well. Just examples of ideas, but a different kind of thinking maybe?
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theman
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Post by theman on Apr 9, 2023 21:58:35 GMT -5
I know there is already an existing thread but it seems to be alot of fighting going on right now so I didn't want this to get lost. I have no idea but maybe someone can answer here, is it at all possible to switch the tiers? I called my buddy at the toy shop and he said if they could eliminate Hogan as the early bird and just include him at 5K and switch Steiner to 5K and move Rey to 9k then he thinks it would fund 5000 easy and perhaps reach 7K with DDP. He doesn't know if that's possible from a cost stand point and heck neither do I because I don't have a business cap like many others. It just seems to him and me that switching tiers would be more feasible than adding more stuff to it. Would you guys that haven't committed yet be more inclined to do so with Hulk and Steiner both at 5K?
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Apr 9, 2023 21:58:42 GMT -5
WF School of Business
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on Apr 9, 2023 22:11:56 GMT -5
I bet if we announced that Warrior as a MNW or Legends Ultimate on its own, people would have gone nuts for it. Being in a lineup of figures where you have to potentially get them all and unlock them left this open to a lot of debate and extra scrutiny. You're damn right it would Steve...it would sell like hotcakes...I'd personally preorder 2 and then get at least one more when I could find it on sale...that figure is ridiculously good Perhaps but I wouldn't be one of them since I'm fine with the Ultimate series 1 Warrior that was from that time period. That figure is going on what, 4 years old now? Have you seen what it goes for on the secondary market? And not sealed...open, or even loose? The hobby has gained a lot of collectors in the past 4 years...myself just in the past year All 5 of these figures would’ve sold fine as UEs or even as Elites if they would’ve been released normally yet people act like these figures are the worst decisions you guys have ever made 😂😂 Absolutely 100% . . . Here's the thing at the end of the day...people tall a big game. When they see things like the Nitro Stage, or the RAW Stage...it's freakin awesome...they want it, they NEED it. They don't care what it costs, don't care what else it comes with, it HAS to be made... Mattel (or Hasbro, or anyone else for that matter) has nothing to go on other than feedback, which was overwhelmingly positive for the stage... But when the rubber hits the road and it's time for people to put up or shut up...they bail. They find every excuse in the book not to put their money where their mouth is. They'll even lie, and actively encourage others NOT to back it, at a detriment to the hobby as a whole...MAYBE some different figs, or a different order of tiers might have helped, but honestly? I'm not sure... Mark my words...whether this thing funds or not, if the next project is the RAW Stage, most of the same arguments, and probably from a lot of the "they should have done the RAW Stage crowd" will be out in force The only thing I am sure of, is that this thing failing doesn't have a positive...it hurts the hobby and this particular community regardless. I doubt we see the RAW Stage outside of conventions ever again, we're gonna miss out on some awesome figs... I was hesitant after Hogan failed, because I'm not a real Rey Mysterio fan, so the idea of the Stage + Rey being it is kinda meh, even thought about cancelling. However after seeing some people on social media legit bragging, borderline celebrating Hogan not funding solidified me staying in 100%... Steve, if you're still listening, I would very much support the idea of adjusting tiers in the sense of moving figures around. I understand that Hogan could be out for good, and that the tier (numbers) need to stay put... But I'm CONFIDENT Scotty Steiner at 5k guarantees this thing gets backed...somewhat selfishly, I'd put the Warrior at 7k...that duster is just toooooo good...DDP at 9k and Rey at 11k... If there is any sort of trickery possible to add Hogan back so be it... What's the Ultimate series 1 Warrior going for these days? |
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Post by Rocket_Fuel_Merchant on Apr 9, 2023 22:16:54 GMT -5
What's the Ultimate series 1 Warrior going for these days? Generally between $150-$200 sealed...you're generally looking at ~$100 loose They can be had for less if you're patient, I got mine for less a few months ago, but that's generally what you're looking at |
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Post by Generic Theme on Apr 9, 2023 22:21:31 GMT -5
While Steiner would be more appealing to me than Rey, I don't think it is feasible to change the tiers at this point.
What if the 2,000 backers so far are made up of several Mysterio super-fans? Now they are potentially losing a figure that they really wanted because the terms of the sale were changed after they backed the project. That would create a lot of additional issues for this project and probably damage confidence in crowd fund projects going forward.
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Post by Xæro #FakeCollector on Apr 9, 2023 22:34:33 GMT -5
The new tooling required for Steiner is more than likely factored into the need to have 9K backers, so no this wouldn't work
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Post by YeehawMan on Apr 9, 2023 22:36:55 GMT -5
4 people have backed this over the past 24 hours, it’s dead unfortunately
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Post by theman on Apr 9, 2023 22:59:27 GMT -5
The new tooling required for Steiner is more than likely factored into the need to have 9K backers, so no this wouldn't work You're probably right. |
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Post by CM Tusk on Apr 9, 2023 23:02:34 GMT -5
The new tooling required for Steiner is more than likely factored into the need to have 9K backers, so no this wouldn't work Logic? In this economy? |
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Post by SteveHulk on Apr 9, 2023 23:13:27 GMT -5
If tiers are meant to stay and the international shipping cost won’t change, what could realistically push this to 5,000? Fixed 😉 |
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on Apr 9, 2023 23:17:59 GMT -5
What's the Ultimate series 1 Warrior going for these days? Generally between $150-$200 sealed...you're generally looking at ~$100 loose They can be had for less if you're patient, I got mine for less a few months ago, but that's generally what you're looking at Wow.. It's probably going to get re-released since Mattel enjoys doing that these days. |
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I dont know good luck 
