natureboyfauser
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Post by natureboyfauser on Apr 10, 2023 12:12:03 GMT -5
The ways to save this might not be feasible. Maybe if they could get a segment on Raw and Smackdown having wrestlers pimp this thing. As Gorilla Monsoon would say…”Highly unlikely”. And the other way would be to switch around the tiers, maybe have Scott Steiner as the base offering or add him to the base offering with Rey, but I don’t think they are willing to do that. It's not that they're not willing to offer Steiner in the base goal, it's because they can't. These stretch goals aren't some arbitrary number they pulled out of their a*ses, they're factored into how many units they'd need to sell in order to make enough of a profit to justify the new tooling necessary for the figures. These suggestions of moving figures around like they pieces on a board game simply aren't feasible yet they keep getting thrown around and I think that's what is frustrating people the most How do you know Mattel can't? What do you know that everyone else doesn't? Do you know that Mattel is not doing multiple figures of the Steiner's? Do you know if Ringside is doing a deal with them on Ultimate tag teams like they did with USO's that could offset cost? If you do - please share and share your source? If not ... can we see if this is plausible from Steve since he is looking for creative ways to make it work?
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Post by irishstrife on Apr 10, 2023 12:15:45 GMT -5
I'm listening to the Adventures in Collecting Podcast and Steve says they got the first model from China in and it looks great. I'm so confused how this would take a year because it seems like the tooling is already made and production could be started fairly easily, it's just a matter of pushing the plastic through the mold. As someone that works in producing plastics in China, the biggest investment seems to have already been paid with the mold creation. Am I wrong here?
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Apr 10, 2023 12:19:53 GMT -5
It's not that they're not willing to offer Steiner in the base goal, it's because they can't. These stretch goals aren't some arbitrary number they pulled out of their a*ses, they're factored into how many units they'd need to sell in order to make enough of a profit to justify the new tooling necessary for the figures. These suggestions of moving figures around like they pieces on a board game simply aren't feasible yet they keep getting thrown around and I think that's what is frustrating people the most How do you know Mattel can't? What do you know that everyone else doesn't? Do you know that Mattel is not doing multiple figures of the Steiner's? Do you know if Ringside is doing a deal with them on Ultimate tag teams like they did with USO's that could offset cost? If you do - please share and share your source? If not ... can we see if this is plausible from Steve since he is looking for creative ways to make it work? I created an account on this forum just to join this convo and add another voice to the fact that international shipping issues and non-clarity is killing this campaign. I only want the Rey, but honestly don’t care about the figures I just want the stage. Steve, please adjust and coarse correct by lowering tiers, adding Hogan in for people that want it, and fix the dang international issues - then advertise the changes. We can’t lower tier goals or do anything that would impact costs further. Those things were precisely calculated. The MC team already pushed to get this to $400 as it really should be much more. In regards to int pricing/shipping, not my call there but I’ll reiterate that I’ve passed along all feedback on this and will continue to do so.
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Post by chaz on Apr 10, 2023 12:25:13 GMT -5
I'm listening to the Adventures in Collecting Podcast and Steve says they got the first model from China in and it looks great. I'm so confused how this would take a year because it seems like the tooling is already made and production could be started fairly easily, it's just a matter of pushing the plastic through the mold. As someone that works in producing plastics in China, the biggest investment seems to have already been paid with the mold creation. Am I wrong here? Order processing, production of multiple pieces, assembly, testing, packaging, final order confirmation, shipping and distribution - it all takes time.
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Post by Xæro #FakeCollector on Apr 10, 2023 12:27:56 GMT -5
It's not that they're not willing to offer Steiner in the base goal, it's because they can't. These stretch goals aren't some arbitrary number they pulled out of their a*ses, they're factored into how many units they'd need to sell in order to make enough of a profit to justify the new tooling necessary for the figures. These suggestions of moving figures around like they pieces on a board game simply aren't feasible yet they keep getting thrown around and I think that's what is frustrating people the most How do you know Mattel can't? What do you know that everyone else doesn't? Do you know that Mattel is not doing multiple figures of the Steiner's? Do you know if Ringside is doing a deal with them on Ultimate tag teams like they did with USO's that could offset cost? If you do - please share and share your source? If not ... can we see if this is plausible from Steve since he is looking for creative ways to make it work? Steve literally wrote in this very thread "We can’t lower tier goals or do anything that would impact costs further. Those things were precisely calculated." Not the gotcha you thought it was but nice try.
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Post by irishstrife on Apr 10, 2023 12:30:37 GMT -5
I'm listening to the Adventures in Collecting Podcast and Steve says they got the first model from China in and it looks great. I'm so confused how this would take a year because it seems like the tooling is already made and production could be started fairly easily, it's just a matter of pushing the plastic through the mold. As someone that works in producing plastics in China, the biggest investment seems to have already been paid with the mold creation. Am I wrong here? Order processing, production of multiple pieces, assembly, testing, packaging, final order confirmation, shipping and distribution - it all takes time. Oh for sure, but the investment into the the molds is massive. I figured they wouldn't have done that until after it was funded.
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Post by aggressiveperfector on Apr 10, 2023 12:30:38 GMT -5
The ways to save this might not be feasible. Maybe if they could get a segment on Raw and Smackdown having wrestlers pimp this thing. As Gorilla Monsoon would say…”Highly unlikely”. And the other way would be to switch around the tiers, maybe have Scott Steiner as the base offering or add him to the base offering with Rey, but I don’t think they are willing to do that. It's not that they're not willing to offer Steiner in the base goal, it's because they can't. These stretch goals aren't some arbitrary number they pulled out of their a*ses, they're factored into how many units they'd need to sell in order to make enough of a profit to justify the new tooling necessary for the figures. These suggestions of moving figures around like they pieces on a board game simply aren't feasible yet they keep getting thrown around and I think that's what is frustrating people the most Well then sadly this thing isn’t going to hit the goal or just get past it barring a miracle. I backed it, so I hope it does hit at least Scott, but this may not happen, it’d be a lot easier if they fixed the issues the international fans have but it doesn’t look like they are. If they are I haven’t seen it with all the back and forth
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Post by underoos on Apr 10, 2023 12:37:52 GMT -5
No Hogan no problem
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Post by venomeratt on Apr 10, 2023 12:39:29 GMT -5
Steve is a saint. I would have bill-exited long ago just from the past few pages.
So many new accounts that popped in to tell the public face of the WWE action figure team of Mattel that they are doing their job wrong and everyone could have done it better... including giving numbers and profit margins that no one has even a remote idea of what the inside values/production run-to-profit ratios, employee payment on project,ad costs, shipping/taxes/duties/fees, manufacturing costs over seas, molding, tooling, pva and plastic wholesale costs,deco app costs, new packaging, etc...
"But i worked customer service before!"
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Post by natureboyfauser on Apr 10, 2023 12:42:41 GMT -5
Fascinated by how a Marvel Galactus figure could sell for $400.00 - on a figure made twice prior. One was already pretty large - which is why I did not support the new larger one.
And a much larger set - WCW - never offered before - with 5 figures (including a Scott Steiner 1st in the line figure) couldn't hit $5,000. Oh well, I did my part. Hope others do. Grateful to Mattel for their creativity and opportunity.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Apr 10, 2023 12:56:15 GMT -5
Since there is no way to switch up the tiers even though it may jump up sales. Maybe the only 2 options left are.
1. The obvious $5,000 activates Rey and the entrance. 2. 11,000 guarantees everything including the Hogan.
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Post by ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕠 𝕂𝕚𝕝𝕝 on Apr 10, 2023 12:57:16 GMT -5
Fascinated by how a Marvel Galactus figure could sell for $400.00 - on a figure made twice prior. One was already pretty large - which is why I did not support the new larger one. And a much larger set - WCW - never offered before - with 5 figures (including a Scott Steiner 1st in the line figure) couldn't hit $5,000. Oh well, I did my part. Hope others do. Grateful to Mattel for their creativity and opportunity. Dude you are really stretching. That Galactus is literally like no other toy that has ever been made. It can hardly be compared to other toys in its price range -- let alone the previous Galactus figures that have been released that were 1/2 of the size (or smaller) and 1/20th as detailed. Look at the unreal difference between the Haslab release and the two prior releases. For those not familiar: First photo: this is it scaled next to a Marvel Legends -- just about the same size of a WWE Mattel Elite. Its 32 inches tall, over 70 points of articulation, LEDs in the head and chest, 3 swappable face plates, and it came with 3 exclusive Marvel Legends figures. They originally wanted 14,000 backers. They added 2 additional stretch goals just for fun (second photo) and it ended up hitting over 30k. Its probably the current pinnacle of all of high end toys. It is simply incredible. There were zero mistakes made with Galactus. There are plenty of legitimate gripes with the Nitro stage. For Marvel Legends collectors, this was THEE figure. I bet about 1.5% of WWE Mattel collectors felt that way about the Nitro stage -- regardless of how well its made.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Apr 10, 2023 13:02:58 GMT -5
Fascinated by how a Marvel Galactus figure could sell for $400.00 - on a figure made twice prior. One was already pretty large - which is why I did not support the new larger one. And a much larger set - WCW - never offered before - with 5 figures (including a Scott Steiner 1st in the line figure) couldn't hit $5,000. Oh well, I did my part. Hope others do. Grateful to Mattel for their creativity and opportunity. I'd bet a Coke that there's a bigger collector demographic for Marvel Legends than there is for WWE, and that there's more curb appeal for a massive representation of one the MU's established big baddies than there is for a five year period in wrestling that happened over 20 years ago. It's just a guess on my part, but I think there's mainstream evidence to support it.
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Post by savedbytheringbell on Apr 10, 2023 13:04:54 GMT -5
The longer this thread goes on the more I think of this comment lol. I'd say we are firmly in the (literal) bargaining phase with a few still in the anger phase. We’re not yet to the bargaining stage?!? Oh no, this thread is going to get much worse lol
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Post by ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕠 𝕂𝕚𝕝𝕝 on Apr 10, 2023 13:05:19 GMT -5
Fascinated by how a Marvel Galactus figure could sell for $400.00 - on a figure made twice prior. One was already pretty large - which is why I did not support the new larger one. And a much larger set - WCW - never offered before - with 5 figures (including a Scott Steiner 1st in the line figure) couldn't hit $5,000. Oh well, I did my part. Hope others do. Grateful to Mattel for their creativity and opportunity. I'd bet a Coke that there's a bigger collector demographic for Marvel Legends than there is for WWE, and that there's more curb appeal for a massive representation of one the MU's established big baddies than there is for a five year period in wrestling that happened over 20 years ago. It's just a guess on my part, but I think there's mainstream evidence to support it. The two projects couldn't be farther apart from each other on all metrics besides they are both toys that cost hundreds of dollars.
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Post by Xæro #FakeCollector on Apr 10, 2023 13:07:49 GMT -5
Fascinated by how a Marvel Galactus figure could sell for $400.00 - on a figure made twice prior. One was already pretty large - which is why I did not support the new larger one. And a much larger set - WCW - never offered before - with 5 figures (including a Scott Steiner 1st in the line figure) couldn't hit $5,000. Oh well, I did my part. Hope others do. Grateful to Mattel for their creativity and opportunity. Dude you are really stretching. That Galactus is literally like no other toy that has ever been made. It can hardly be compared to other toys in its price range -- let alone the previous Galactus figures that have been released that were 1/2 of the size (or smaller) and 1/20th as detailed. Look at the unreal difference between the Haslab release and the two prior releases. For those not familiar: First photo: this is it scaled next to a Marvel Legends -- just about the same size of a WWE Mattel Elite. Its 32 inches tall, over 70 points of articulation, LEDs in the head and chest, 3 swappable face plates, and it came with 3 exclusive Marvel Legends figures. They originally wanted 14,000 backers. They added 2 additional stretch goals just for fun (second photo) and it ended up hitting over 30k. Its probably the current pinnacle of all of high end toys. It is simply incredible. There were zero mistakes made with Galactus. There are plenty of legitimate gripes with the Nitro stage. For Marvel Legends collectors, this was THEE figure. I bet about 1.5% of WWE Mattel collectors felt that way about the Nitro stage -- regardless of how well its made. Never let the truth get in the way of a preconceived notion
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Apr 10, 2023 13:11:21 GMT -5
I'd bet a Coke that there's a bigger collector demographic for Marvel Legends than there is for WWE, and that there's more curb appeal for a massive representation of one the MU's established big baddies than there is for a five year period in wrestling that happened over 20 years ago. It's just a guess on my part, but I think there's mainstream evidence to support it. The two projects couldn't be farther apart from each other on all metrics besides they are both toys that cost hundreds of dollars. Yeah, I tried to articulate that earlier in the thread, before Hogan was off the table. There's just no comparing the mainstream appeal of WWE to the global reach/vice grip on the mainstream held by something like Star Wars or Marvel, and that's from the top right on down to the sub-demos that collect action figures of said properties. It's easy to get lost in the bubble of one's interests and see it for more than it is, which I think happens to a lot of WWE/wrestling collectors.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Apr 10, 2023 13:15:12 GMT -5
Fascinated by how a Marvel Galactus figure could sell for $400.00 - on a figure made twice prior. One was already pretty large - which is why I did not support the new larger one. And a much larger set - WCW - never offered before - with 5 figures (including a Scott Steiner 1st in the line figure) couldn't hit $5,000. Oh well, I did my part. Hope others do. Grateful to Mattel for their creativity and opportunity. Dude you are really stretching. That Galactus is literally like no other toy that has ever been made. It can hardly be compared to other toys in its price range -- let alone the previous Galactus figures that have been released that were 1/3rd of the size (or smaller) and 1/20th as detailed. For those not familiar: This is it scaled next to a Marvel Legends -- just about the same size of a WWE Mattel Elite. Its 32 inches tall, over 70 points of articulation, LEDs in the head and chest, 3 swappable face plates, and it came with 3 exclusive Marvel Legends figures. They originally wanted 14,000 backers. They added 2 additional stretch goals just for fun and it ended up hitting over 30k. Its probably the current pinnacle of all of high end toys. It is simply incredible. There were zero mistakes made with Galactus. There are plenty of legitimate gripes with the Nitro stage. For Marvel Legends collectors, this was THEE figure. I bet about 1.5% of WWE Mattel collectors felt that way about the Nitro stage -- regardless of how well it's "made. Thanks "dude". That really cleared it up for me. Thanks. Meaning, I gave my opinion ... but it was wrong according to you. How does that fit on people's shelfs? How does it fit in a room? What about the cost in Europe? Didn't they already have Silver surfer (hulk Hogan). Which one has more plastic? Which one is bigger? Which one has more lights? Which one has more figures? Which one was never been made before? My bad. What was I thinking giving my personal opinion. All comments should go to Hard to Kill first to see if he approves before it reaches the forum. This shouldn't be a wrestling forum for Mattel toys where people give their opinions it should be thank god we posted on Hard to Kill's official post instead of the other one or its panties would have really gotten into a bunch. To CM Pants I think you would win the coke! I collect Marvel Legends as well and it is probably a bigger market but for the reasons I gave here I still wonder. Thanks for your input.
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Post by deskjet on Apr 10, 2023 13:16:01 GMT -5
Fascinated by how a Marvel Galactus figure could sell for $400.00 - on a figure made twice prior. One was already pretty large - which is why I did not support the new larger one. And a much larger set - WCW - never offered before - with 5 figures (including a Scott Steiner 1st in the line figure) couldn't hit $5,000. Oh well, I did my part. Hope others do. Grateful to Mattel for their creativity and opportunity. I'd bet a Coke that there's a bigger collector demographic for Marvel Legends than there is for WWE, and that there's more curb appeal for a massive representation of one the MU's established big baddies than there is for a five year period in wrestling that happened over 20 years ago. It's just a guess on my part, but I think there's mainstream evidence to support it. Which is why mattel shoulda never started with two figures that are already flooding the market. This is a niche item. Most people already have Rey and hogan that are collecting wcw. Put that tooling cost into a figure we don’t have first. You’re also then pulling in the people that want just the figure to resell.
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Post by underoos on Apr 10, 2023 13:16:01 GMT -5
I acknowledge Galactus, worth every penny
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