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Post by kutzheels on Apr 12, 2023 11:48:00 GMT -5
Mattel has been crowdfunding for over 10 years now. The MOTUC Castle Grayskull in 2012 was a crowdfund. True but that was a completely different era, different leadership at the companies, and a new collector and economical landscape. Castle Grayskull was a hybrid crowdfund/made to order model similar to what Super7 still does. I was and am still fond of that method personally but the expectations seems to have shifted to more traditional crowdfunding executions. Castle Grayskull still had to hit a certain number. Maybe they didn’t call it a crowdfund (can’t remember) but it was. They had the sword of power as the meter. It was different than the yearly subscriptions. Later towards the end, the subscriptions had to hit a certain number that Scott always threatened us with. No disputing any other of your comments. I am curious if international folks had similar issues with Eternia?
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Post by newgenandy on Apr 12, 2023 11:49:05 GMT -5
Not the same team. Matty Collector was sort of an offshoot where Mattel kinda let them do their own thing. And MOTU is a different type of collector than WWE. They didn’t cry saying it was too expensive or there weren’t any figures packed with it. Not the same team but still Mattel. Matty Collector as an offshoot was no different than Mattel Creations. I wasn’t talking about price or figures or collectors (or teams) only that Mattel has been doing crowdfunds for over 10 years. Steve said “ Castle Grayskull was a hybrid crowdfund/made to order model similar to what Super7 still does” so it wasn’t crowdfund as we know it now
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Post by Rocket_Fuel_Merchant on Apr 12, 2023 11:50:50 GMT -5
True but that was a completely different era, different leadership at the companies, and a new collector and economical landscape. Castle Grayskull was a hybrid crowdfund/made to order model similar to what Super7 still does. I was and am still fond of that method personally but the expectations seems to have shifted to more traditional crowdfunding executions. I'm glad you actually brought up the Super7 Model here...Is there a particular reason that model wouldn't work for WWE Figs? I feel like its an awesome idea. Not that I'm a fan of spending more money, but these could be figures that could be a couple bucks extra, but we know the only way we are getting them is through Mattel.
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Post by kutzheels on Apr 12, 2023 11:53:48 GMT -5
Not the same team but still Mattel. Matty Collector as an offshoot was no different than Mattel Creations. I wasn’t talking about price or figures or collectors (or teams) only that Mattel has been doing crowdfunds for over 10 years. Steve said “ Castle Grayskull was a hybrid crowdfund/made to order model similar to what Super7 still does” so it wasn’t crowdfund as we know it now It was though. The subscriptions were but not Castle Grayskull. I don’t care enough to argue. Just wanted to point out. Thanks
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Post by Crossfit Jesus on Apr 12, 2023 11:55:49 GMT -5
True but that was a completely different era, different leadership at the companies, and a new collector and economical landscape. Castle Grayskull was a hybrid crowdfund/made to order model similar to what Super7 still does. I was and am still fond of that method personally but the expectations seems to have shifted to more traditional crowdfunding executions. I'm glad you actually brought up the Super7 Model here...Is there a particular reason that model wouldn't work for WWE Figs? I feel like it’s an awesome idea. Not that I'm a fan of spending more money, but these could be figures that could be a couple bucks extra, but we know the only way we are getting them is through Mattel. didn’t they already do that with Logan Paul and Cody ultimates ?
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Post by newgenandy on Apr 12, 2023 11:56:05 GMT -5
Steve said “ Castle Grayskull was a hybrid crowdfund/made to order model similar to what Super7 still does” so it wasn’t crowdfund as we know it now It was though. The subscriptions were but not Castle Grayskull. I don’t care enough to argue. Just wanted to point out. Thanks Your right You know more than a person who works at mattel who even though he didn’t work there then will be privy to more info than us 👍
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Post by matgarza5 on Apr 12, 2023 11:58:26 GMT -5
Maybe go for a figure in the 11k tier that’s not a 700th time in the line. Actually this would’ve been much higher than 2013 backers by now if the majority of the tiers weren’t half assed re-releases or the same boring old wrestlers who have oversaturated the inventory Thank you for your insights. You’ve done great man thanks for listening to us and giving us a better chance at getting this dream Nitro Stage backed! I’ll always be loyal to the WWE Mattel team for this. We as collectors should be grateful for the opportunity that Steve and the Mattel team are considering adjusting the plan so the true fans and collectors still have hope of getting this backed. I’ve not seen ANY other major company do this and it shows a lot and shows that Mattel cares. Look at what happened to Star Wars and Rancor, and Ghost Rider…. Steve and Mattel team are listening and are trying as hard as they can.
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Post by jlaf77 on Apr 12, 2023 11:59:19 GMT -5
While we are waiting on updates, anyone interested in a Disciple figure down the line? Would he have worked for anyone as one of the tiers? Took me the longest time to realize The Disciple was Beefcake when I was younger. His figure could pad out the nWo lineup and as far as I know he still has a Legends deal. I've wanted one for a while. Very toyetic figure and would've worked for me as a tier. If released in MNW line i would prefer a packaged version because I'm a moc collector and i think the artwork of him on the package would look awesome but if BAF is the only way I'll take it lol
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Post by Biff Slamkovich™ on Apr 12, 2023 12:00:37 GMT -5
You’re the man Steve. Don’t listen to some of these people. Can’t please them all. Some around here will never be pleased no matter what you do, but I’m sure you know that. Thanks for all you do for the figure community! Yeah, just listen to the yes men and thank you friends. Don’t listen to any genuine concerns. Because that proved to be helpful. Because to be fair, the reasons you listed in your post before this are opinion-based. For full transparency, I've been quite vocal in this thread about the position I'm in as a Canadian collector wanting to back this, but even then when I read posts like yours I shake my head. Just because something isn't being done the way you want it to be done doesn't mean anyone at Mattel is doing a half-assed job, or is trying to cheat us. To take your side for a moment here, would future crowdfunds maybe benefit from official fan polls where we're asked what figures we would hypothetically like to see (before the project is officially announced?) Perhaps, but that's not up to us to decide. Steve and I'm sure other people on his team have their ears to the ground and are acutely aware of the wants and needs of their customers. Does that mean every single one of those things is going to happen though? I mean be realistic for a moment, do you actually think that including Warrior in this crowdfund was a bad idea? It was a former Jakks 1 of 20 figure that practically no one could get their hands on. Including a figure like that in a crowdfund is a fair execution for it. At the end of the day, everyone should be allowed and encouraged to voice their opinions, but finger pointing and childish comments don't help your case honestly. It was due to constructive criticism across social media that I'm sure made Steve consider a pivot to this crowdfund, not negativity.
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 12, 2023 12:01:31 GMT -5
Thank you for your insights. Just being honest man. I want this to succeed but 400 dollars for a stage and 4 lacklustre figures out of 5 isn’t the best approach for that. DDP: why are we getting the same version that’s been released for almost a decade? Ultimate figures are supposed to be the definitive version of the wrestlers, the DDP that was featured on the MNW wore jeans. Hulk Hogan: why not a terminator nWo Hogan with the 3 ninjas moustache. Also not to mention that the red and yellow version of him didn’t exist during the MNW. Rey Mysterio: again, not an accurate version of the character to fit the period of the theme. Rey wore this attire mostly in ECW and for a very short period in WCW way before the MNW. Warrior: Why? This choice is as random as the Warrior’s stint in the company. Was this an employee’s pet project or something? Lastly, the lack of accessories. These Ultimate figures come with almost the same amount of of accessories as elites. Look at Macho Man from last year and compare what he comes with to any of the figures from this year. Again, most of us want this to succeed but it’s hard to back up a project that seems like a half hearted attempt for a premium price tag. They may be 4 lackluster figures to you, but others are fine with them. There may also be reasoning behind why they put these out with the crowdfunding. For DDP, yeah, they have already released this figure twice, but it's been a while since then and this is an ultimate edition figure compared to the old-tech elites. Also, it does come with updated head sculpts. And yes, the jeans look may be his most iconic, but you can bet a lot of people would be unhappy if they finally released their most wanted DDP look but they had to pay $400 for it. For Hogan, they most likely cannot do the terminator gear due to licensing. And actually, the Monday Night Wars began at the launch of Nitro, not the invasion of the NWO, so a red and yellow Hogan does fit with the theme. Also, this isn't necessarily a Monday Night Wars set, this is a nitro set, and red & yellow Hogan was on the show quite a bit. For Warrior, that Warrior has been requested by a number of people on this site alone, so including him in the line makes sense. As for the Macho comparison, other than the announce table, he comes with about the same number of accessories as the guys in this line. And they needed to use up much of the promotional budget just to add that. In the end, they put in guys that have proven themselves as big sellers. Just because you don't think they were great choices; doesn't mean they are. You could suggest 5 different guys and you can be sure people would complain about them, and probably ask where's Hogan, DDP, Rey, Warrior, etc.
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Post by screech on Apr 12, 2023 12:02:03 GMT -5
anyways i'm down for more WCW Rey figures ![](https://i.imgur.com/UQtTfEK.jpg)
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Post by Xæro #FakeCollector on Apr 12, 2023 12:04:09 GMT -5
Steve has the patience of a saint lol
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Post by Bramahummel on Apr 12, 2023 12:04:24 GMT -5
Maybe go for a figure in the 11k tier that’s not a 700th time in the line. Actually this would’ve been much higher than 2013 backers by now if the majority of the tiers weren’t half assed re-releases or the same boring old wrestlers who have oversaturated the inventory Thank you for your insights. Love you Steve 😎 I realy hope you can fix the international price and can add Steiner to the 5000. No doubt this thing will make it 👍
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Post by AxelSmackdown on Apr 12, 2023 12:07:34 GMT -5
Steve has the patience of a saint lol he has to have if he wants to come to this forum and answer questions some of these people man. they’re nuts
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Post by newgenandy on Apr 12, 2023 12:08:28 GMT -5
anyways i'm down for more WCW Rey figures ![](https://i.imgur.com/UQtTfEK.jpg) Seeing this got me thinking, did they do a basic wcw Rey? I saw the pink basic in a shop and it made me think of this ultimate Rey.. Could be a different era or design though, I’m not the biggest Rey fan
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Apr 12, 2023 12:10:50 GMT -5
Steve, who works at Mattel: "that's not how it works/worked"
WF, who doesn't: "I'LL TELL YOU HOW IT WORKS/WORKED"
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Post by redrooster on Apr 12, 2023 12:12:47 GMT -5
Thank you for your insights. Just being honest man. I want this to succeed but 400 dollars for a stage and 4 lacklustre figures out of 5 isn’t the best approach for that. DDP: why are we getting the same version that’s been released for almost a decade? Ultimate figures are supposed to be the definitive version of the wrestlers, the DDP that was featured on the MNW wore jeans. Hulk Hogan: why not a terminator nWo Hogan with the 3 ninjas moustache. Also not to mention that the red and yellow version of him didn’t exist during the MNW. Rey Mysterio: again, not an accurate version of the character to fit the period of the theme. Rey wore this attire mostly in ECW and for a very short period in WCW way before the MNW. Warrior: Why? This choice is as random as the Warrior’s stint in the company. Was this an employee’s pet project or something? Lastly, the lack of accessories. These Ultimate figures come with almost the same amount of of accessories as elites. Look at Macho Man from last year and compare what he comes with to any of the figures from this year. Again, most of us want this to succeed but it’s hard to back up a project that seems like a half hearted attempt for a premium price tag. The War started the first night with Nitro’s debut dude…Hulk was in his Red and Yellow glory for 10 months before the heel turn.
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Post by Action Figure Attack on Apr 12, 2023 12:16:41 GMT -5
True but that was a completely different era, different leadership at the companies, and a new collector and economical landscape. Castle Grayskull was a hybrid crowdfund/made to order model similar to what Super7 still does. I was and am still fond of that method personally but the expectations seems to have shifted to more traditional crowdfunding executions. I'm glad you actually brought up the Super7 Model here...Is there a particular reason that model wouldn't work for WWE Figs? I feel like its an awesome idea. Not that I'm a fan of spending more money, but these could be figures that could be a couple bucks extra, but we know the only way we are getting them is through Mattel. We’ve done it. Both the Cody and Logan figs were offered this way.
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Post by kutzheels on Apr 12, 2023 12:18:59 GMT -5
It was though. The subscriptions were but not Castle Grayskull. I don’t care enough to argue. Just wanted to point out. Thanks Your right You know more than a person who works at mattel who even though he didn’t work there then will be privy to more info than us 👍 you are making me reply again. Didn’t say I know more. But I collected MOTUC and had yearly subscriptions for the 6,7 whatever years. I bought Castle Grayskull so I know what it was. In 10 years you will know what New gen was to you
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Apr 12, 2023 12:21:51 GMT -5
Thank you for your insights. Just being honest man. I want this to succeed but 400 dollars for a stage and 4 lacklustre figures out of 5 isn’t the best approach for that. DDP: why are we getting the same version that’s been released for almost a decade? Ultimate figures are supposed to be the definitive version of the wrestlers, the DDP that was featured on the MNW wore jeans. Hulk Hogan: why not a terminator nWo Hogan with the 3 ninjas moustache. Also not to mention that the red and yellow version of him didn’t exist during the MNW. Rey Mysterio: again, not an accurate version of the character to fit the period of the theme. Rey wore this attire mostly in ECW and for a very short period in WCW way before the MNW. Warrior: Why? This choice is as random as the Warrior’s stint in the company. Was this an employee’s pet project or something? Lastly, the lack of accessories. These Ultimate figures come with almost the same amount of of accessories as elites. Look at Macho Man from last year and compare what he comes with to any of the figures from this year. Again, most of us want this to succeed but it’s hard to back up a project that seems like a half hearted attempt for a premium price tag. When exactly do you think the Monday Night Wars started? It was definitely before the formation of nWo.
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