natureboyfauser
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Post by natureboyfauser on Apr 15, 2023 8:29:47 GMT -5
MInus the out of the USA shipping scenario ... The psychology of this WCW Nitro is so interesting. 1st ... I got it the second it was available. I saw the value. 2nd. I personally have multiple Hulks, Rey's, Page's and Warriors so my true desire was the Set and Steiner. 3rd. When Hulk went away it seemed to stall and without something we were in trouble. 4th. Mattel comes up with a solution to make the most desired figure (Stenier) that has never been made by Mattel along with the Set. 5th. It seems that most people say if you could get all 5 figures with the set they would pay $400.00 - and this thing would blow up! 6th. A crowdfund is designed to let the PEOPLE put their money where their mouth is with a saftey net - that if they don't get the value they want at the end of the campaign they can back out. But instead, many wait to see if it gets closer to 5,000. They look to see if others will step in before they do. Some are waiting to see if it's closer to 7,000. Some want all of it to get to the 11,000 before they jump in. It's a game of chicken to see who will do what first. The bottom line is that each customer has a saftey to get out. I wonder what would happen in the last week if Mattel said if we got to 5,000 backers at $400.00 everyone would get everything??? I wonder if it would get to 11,000 because nobody wanted to miss out because of the value? And if it didn't reach the 11,000 ... Mattel said ... sorry - we just didn't have enough to do it. . What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I know people would be furious ... but the rules all along were if we get to 11,000 backers at $400.00 we would get everything. It's just reveresed psycology. How do we get there. Visualize that you will get all of it for $400.00 and do it. Your dream might come true.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Apr 15, 2023 8:41:24 GMT -5
So Pump was able to get 50 more backers. Probably not the movement Mattel wanted to see. And let’s stop blaming international shipping. They don’t make up 3/5 of the customer base. I guess this is gonna be a let’s see what happens on the last couple days scenario. Maybe it gets to 5K but doesn’t look like any of the other tiers are gonna happen.
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Post by cldbld on Apr 15, 2023 9:02:39 GMT -5
So Pump was able to get 50 more backers. Probably not the movement Mattel wanted to see. And let’s stop blaming international shipping. They don’t make up 3/5 of the customer base. I guess this is gonna be a let’s see what happens on the last couple days scenario. Maybe it gets to 5K but doesn’t look like any of the other tiers are gonna happen. There's absolutely no reason to back this at this moment. I'd be worried with 1 week left. No early bird, rey and Scott are guaranteed. There was only 1958 backers with 2 weeks left of the new gen set. That's with resellers. The original tiers painted a doom and gloom on the entire set. Now it's fixed, and we still getting doom and gloom from a lot of people. All it needs to get made is still 5k. Not 7k or 9k.
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Post by kanepilk on Apr 15, 2023 9:11:09 GMT -5
No disrespect intended to anyone who is outside of the United States - I am curious to know how popular WCW was during this time (on an international level). Every backer counts, no one can dispute that. But realistically how many orders would be from Europe alone? 500? 1000? It would be really interesting to hear the percentage of international orders from Mattel. That is extremely unlikely to happen but data like that fascinates me. The reason I ponder this now is if this thing is having problems gaining traction in North America - WCW’s largest market - I truly cannot imagine this thing being in high demand elsewhere. Full disclosure: I want everyone who wants this to have it. I cherish the time that I have spent traveling the world. There are plenty of things in my home that have been imported from various countries (including collectibles) which were a headache to obtain. The frustration is real. There is no doubt that Steve is doing his best to get answers and make changes where he can. If he isn’t able to, that’s on someone else within Mattel. It is possible Mattel has these broad, sweeping policies for shipping that would be difficult to change for a single product. I have internal experience with one of the largest companies in the world and you might be shocked at how hard getting a simple answer can be let alone enacting even a small change. It is very possible that whatever team oversees the international logistics has bigger fish to fry. Let’s also not discount the unfortunate recent layoffs at Mattel. There is no way for us to know how that is impacting workers from the bottom to the top. Traditionally speaking, we are all told to take on more work with less resources. That could very well be the case here so please keep all of that in mind when waiting for answers.
In Ireland, WCW was on TV the same as WWE was, often at different times, though (RAW used to be aired over here on a Friday night, for example, they weren't broadcast 'live' to us). I think a lot of it had to do with your friend groups in many ways.
WCW existed and I seen some of it here and there. I had some of the figures, playsets, the videogames and such, but my social circle (and seemingly community as a whole) weren't into WCW. Everyone knew what WWE was and could rattle off a few names, but not with WCW. People I knew personally never really watched WCW at all and only really watched WWE.
I think WCW did well for itself, but as a product, especially 20+ years after it closed it's doors, it doesn't have the same support or popularity as WWE. Even looking at the thread on here about which Steiner outfit you want, the WWE one is winning by a mile, despite all his WCW looks. I think this being a WCW product is doing more harm than people are letting on.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Apr 15, 2023 9:13:54 GMT -5
So Pump was able to get 50 more backers. Probably not the movement Mattel wanted to see. And let’s stop blaming international shipping. They don’t make up 3/5 of the customer base. I guess this is gonna be a let’s see what happens on the last couple days scenario. Maybe it gets to 5K but doesn’t look like any of the other tiers are gonna happen. There's absolutely no reason to back this at this moment. I'd be worried with 1 week left. No early bird, rey and Scott are guaranteed. There was only 1958 backers with 2 weeks left of the new gen set. That's with resellers. The original tiers painted a doom and gloom on the entire set. Now it's fixed, and we still getting doom and gloom from a lot of people. All it needs to get made is still 5k. Not 7k or 9k. The reason to back now is to build momentum and fund it early and then start working on unlocking the extra tiers. Everyone sitting on the sidelines waiting to see what happens isn’t doing this campaign any favors. And unless you do the payment plan you’re not charged until the end so waiting makes no sense. If you’re on the fence there’s no harm in backing it now.
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Post by stinkfaceT on Apr 15, 2023 9:24:23 GMT -5
I posted this calculation a few weeks back, but how I'd break it out is: - Item cost: £322. Let's say £325 to account for currency movements. - Shipping surcharge is £60, according to the Mattel FAQ - this seems a little high (based on my US-to-UK shipments), but not shockingly so. - Total pre-VAT/customs: £385 - 20% for VAT - 4% for Duties/Customs - Total: £92 Total is £477. So at £509, it's overcharged by £32/$40. If you sent an American the cost converted to US dollars and they shipped it to you as a “family” member in the states sending you a package do you have an estimated price based on the US crowd fund price? Can someone in the US send a package friends and family style to you without the added fees?
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Post by stinkfaceT on Apr 15, 2023 9:26:46 GMT -5
Not sure if I’m being inappropriate or violating rules for the board or Mattel, but I’d like this funded and I’d like anyone who wants it to get it. If that means international buyers trusting someone to send their package, and that person taking the extra time to receive and ship out to said buyer… let’s change this conversation
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Post by Chip on Apr 15, 2023 9:31:28 GMT -5
So with all this international stuff, especially the UK...why couldnt Mattel take the orders as normal, then once they've seen how many come from there, ship a mass quantity to a UK distributor, who then just delivers it "locally". Thus avoiding individual customs fees. wouldn't that make sense?
why would something like that not be possible? like...how do UK toy stores get Mattel figures do they pay a gigantic customs fee every time they get an order?
if that's what's causing the price to be so high, there has to be a better way around it.
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Post by stinkfaceT on Apr 15, 2023 9:44:48 GMT -5
Anyone that wants this and is able to back it should for at least a week and if their concerns or hang ups aren’t sorted by the final 10 or so days cancel. That would give all parties a better idea of numbers, hang ups, and avenues to potential solutions.
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Post by stinkfaceT on Apr 15, 2023 9:45:14 GMT -5
It’s the same as saving an animal or adopting a child, you can cancel with one simple phone call
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Post by bosox3 on Apr 15, 2023 9:55:11 GMT -5
And let’s stop blaming international shipping. They don’t make up 3/5 of the customer base. Do you know that for sure? We'd need to see the numbers from the last Crowdfund to know for sure. The major killer for most is that its WCW.. and the price. Resellers arent buying in large volume as they did last time.
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Post by rageinthecage on Apr 15, 2023 10:11:15 GMT -5
It would be interesting to know the numbers of multi set buyers last time. I got 3 new gen sets but only backed and plan on buying the one wcw. Out of the 8000+ sets sold how many were unique buyers ? Is the total fan base that purchased the new gen 5000 people 6000? My guess is the multi set buyers is down for the wcw set. Was thinking adding big poppa pump would drive this to 3k quick but feels like a crawl to 5k but fingers crossed.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Apr 15, 2023 10:35:22 GMT -5
And let’s stop blaming international shipping. They don’t make up 3/5 of the customer base. Do you know that for sure? We'd need to see the numbers from the last Crowdfund to know for sure. they may larger than most thing.. who knows. The major killer for most is that its WCW.. and the price. Resellers arent buying in large volume as they did last time. Not for sure but there’s no way the overwhelming majority of the backers came from international customers.
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Post by AxelSmackdown on Apr 15, 2023 10:39:32 GMT -5
like 50 new backers since they added Steiner to the base lmao
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Post by cldbld on Apr 15, 2023 10:40:09 GMT -5
There's absolutely no reason to back this at this moment. I'd be worried with 1 week left. No early bird, rey and Scott are guaranteed. There was only 1958 backers with 2 weeks left of the new gen set. That's with resellers. The original tiers painted a doom and gloom on the entire set. Now it's fixed, and we still getting doom and gloom from a lot of people. All it needs to get made is still 5k. Not 7k or 9k. The reason to back now is to build momentum and fund it early and then start working on unlocking the extra tiers. Everyone sitting on the sidelines waiting to see what happens isn’t doing this campaign any favors. And unless you do the payment plan you’re not charged until the end so waiting makes no sense. If you’re on the fence there’s no harm in backing it now. That's true too, but we are wrasslin fans. Lol the majority of this fan base is cheap. So maybe those people are waiting until funds are available. You got to remember, 400, is groceries for the month for a lot of people. Not a lot of us that can just throw 400 and live peacefully still. I'm fortunate enough to not be like that, but I'm not gate keeper either, I despise them. Theres a few of them here. New gen was slower and got the momentum the last week of the fund iirc. All tiers unlocked was a pipe dream even with the switched up tiers.
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Post by wwecreative on Apr 15, 2023 10:44:21 GMT -5
Klarna Don’t know if it’s been brought up but could soften the blow for anyone looking for a payment plan other than those offered. I know it helped fund the New Gen for couple members last time
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Post by CM Tusk on Apr 15, 2023 10:52:28 GMT -5
Will it hit 3000 by the end of the weekend?
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Post by CM Tusk on Apr 15, 2023 10:55:00 GMT -5
Klarna Don’t know if it’s been brought up but could soften the blow for anyone looking for a payment plan other than those offered. I know it helped fund the New Gen for couple members last time I only recommend it to people who financially can afford to have it, but the Klarna card is where it’s at. I’ve built up my spending limit to $3000 and it doesn’t take out the first payment until the first billing cycle which can be up to two weeks after the purchase. I used it to buy my tickets to Rome, Egypt, and Mania this past month.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2023 11:08:43 GMT -5
Klarna Don’t know if it’s been brought up but could soften the blow for anyone looking for a payment plan other than those offered. I know it helped fund the New Gen for couple members last time It’s a credit card. Unless someone can absolutely afford to make those payments on time, this is a terrible idea.
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Post by gtf_fangeek on Apr 15, 2023 11:15:34 GMT -5
Very good question. I backed multiple on New Gen as well, but haven't backed this one yet. Just still undecided. It would be interesting to know the numbers of multi set buyers last time. I got 3 new gen sets but only backed and plan on buying the one wcw. Out of the 8000+ sets sold how many were unique buyers ? Is the total fan base that purchased the new gen 5000 people 6000? My guess is the multi set buyers is down for the wcw set. Was thinking adding big poppa pump would drive this to 3k quick but feels like a crawl to 5k but fingers crossed.
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