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Post by WrestlingFigWig on Apr 15, 2023 11:44:36 GMT -5
I just don’t see this hitting. At this point with Steiner added there’s no reason to wait and it’s barely moved since he was announced. I think this goes to show that first impressions mean everything and the Mattel group got too much in their own way when it came to realistic expectations for a $400 crowdfund in today’s market. Hope I’m wrong, but we need this thing to take off on a sprint and it’s still crawling. It’s not good.
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Post by ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕠 𝕂𝕚𝕝𝕝 on Apr 15, 2023 11:56:22 GMT -5
Klarna Don’t know if it’s been brought up but could soften the blow for anyone looking for a payment plan other than those offered. I know it helped fund the New Gen for couple members last time It’s a credit card. Unless someone can absolutely afford to make those payments on time, this is a terrible idea. It does no credit check and links directly to your debit card. It auto draws out a fourth of the purchase price every 2 weeks until it’s paid off. No interest. It’s not quite a credit card and can be extremely helpful for a big purchase like this. Read the terms to make sure what late fees, etc. are but it’s not a terrible idea. It gets more people backing the project if they know it’s an option. $400 in one lump sum is obviously a huge draw for people not to back. $100 every 2 weeks for 8 weeks is way more manageable for people getting paid weekly or even bi-weekly. Again, it’s not a line of credit. No credit checks. Your card is linked directly to the account and it auto pays the installment. Also, every purchase gets a one-time option to add a 14 day grace period whenever you need. So if you’re short on an installment, you can push all of your installments back by 2 weeks to catch up. And theres no APR. Late installments are subject to a $7 flat fee every month they go unpaid, which is drastically less than any APR a credit card would offer.
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Post by Eric on Apr 15, 2023 12:06:56 GMT -5
I think WCW did well for itself, but as a product, especially 20+ years after it closed it's doors, it doesn't have the same support or popularity as WWE. Even looking at the thread on here about which Steiner outfit you want, the WWE one is winning by a mile, despite all his WCW looks. I think this being a WCW product is doing more harm than people are letting on. That attire is winning by four votes, and it probably couldn't be done accurately because it has the Superman S and '69' on the side. Plus multiple WCW looks means the votes are spread out. Are there more total votes for WCW attires or the WWE ones? WWE is clearly more popular now because it's still a thing, but are there thousands of more fans of early 2000s WWE (not current WWE) willing to drop $400+ on a Raw stage? Or would a WWE-themed crowdfund be in the same boat right now? If Mattel wanted a Monday Night Wars theme (right or wrong choice there is a different debate), why would they not choose something from the show that won the ratings war for weeks upon weeks?
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Apr 15, 2023 12:19:12 GMT -5
I think WCW did well for itself, but as a product, especially 20+ years after it closed it's doors, it doesn't have the same support or popularity as WWE. Even looking at the thread on here about which Steiner outfit you want, the WWE one is winning by a mile, despite all his WCW looks. I think this being a WCW product is doing more harm than people are letting on. That attire is winning by four votes, and it probably couldn't be done accurately because it has the Superman S and '69' on the side. Plus multiple WCW looks means the votes are spread out. Are there more total votes for WCW attires or the WWE ones? WWE is clearly more popular now because it's still a thing, but are there thousands of more fans of early 2000s WWE (not current WWE) willing to drop $400+ on a Raw stage? Or would a WWE-themed crowdfund be in the same boat right now? If Mattel wanted a Monday Night Wars theme (right or wrong choice there is a different debate), why would they not choose something from the show that won the ratings war for weeks upon weeks? I honestly don't see anything wrong with the 69. It's just a number. I remember Jakks putting 420 on a RVD figure. That was awesome.
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Post by Eric on Apr 15, 2023 12:23:59 GMT -5
That attire is winning by four votes, and it probably couldn't be done accurately because it has the Superman S and '69' on the side. Plus multiple WCW looks means the votes are spread out. Are there more total votes for WCW attires or the WWE ones? WWE is clearly more popular now because it's still a thing, but are there thousands of more fans of early 2000s WWE (not current WWE) willing to drop $400+ on a Raw stage? Or would a WWE-themed crowdfund be in the same boat right now? If Mattel wanted a Monday Night Wars theme (right or wrong choice there is a different debate), why would they not choose something from the show that won the ratings war for weeks upon weeks? I honestly don't see anything wrong with the 69. It's just a number. I remember Jakks putting 420 on a RVD figure. That was awesome. I don't either but I don't know how Mattel views it in 2023. And the more obvious problem (to me) is the Superman S. *Edit - which is why I said probably couldn't be done accurately. If they could and that's what fans want, by all means Mattel should do it.
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Post by NoseBleedcollectibles on Apr 15, 2023 12:27:40 GMT -5
I still don't see how people don't see the value in this. Wasnt that old school elimination chamber like 250$ retail. Plus we get 2 ultimates and a chance to get 5. Not to mention all the lights and functions and all the little details.
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Post by kgchampion on Apr 15, 2023 12:36:53 GMT -5
I wonder if this would be more successful if the scale was smaller and had a smaller price point to match. This stage is 3ft wide and I know you can move and remove pieces to make it smaller, but it’s still $400.
I wonder how things would go if it was shrunk down to two feet wide, removed a lot of the LEDs and went with sculpted lights instead, made all the different pieces smaller and less detailed. Basically making a premium version of Mattel’s toy stages without going full scale. Something you could do at a $250 price point. Would it fund or would people complain that it wasn’t in scale?
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Apr 15, 2023 12:38:03 GMT -5
I honestly don't see anything wrong with the 69. It's just a number. I remember Jakks putting 420 on a RVD figure. That was awesome. I don't either but I don't know how Mattel views it in 2023. And the more obvious problem (to me) is the Superman S. *Edit - which is why I said probably couldn't be done accurately. If they could and that's what fans want, by all means Mattel should do it. The Superman logo is def something they can't put. I get what you're saying though, we live in a sensitive ass time period, yet the world is over sexualized. Mattel may give it a shot, but I doubt it. They did say no to Chyna and then yes. Maybe, Ringside could give us a Big Poppa Pump with the 69s. Edit: Scotty did wear a pair of trunks with the circular S's and 69s. Maybe that would doable?
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Post by Warriah' on Apr 15, 2023 12:39:44 GMT -5
Hey nitro arena how many backers have you gained today?
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Post by NoseBleedcollectibles on Apr 15, 2023 12:42:44 GMT -5
I wonder if this would be more successful if the scale was smaller and had a smaller price point to match. This stage is 3ft wide and I know you can move and remove pieces to make it smaller, but it’s still $400. I wonder how things would go if it was shrunk down to two feet wide, removed a lot of the LEDs and went with sculpted lights instead, made all the different pieces smaller and less detailed. Basically making a premium version of Mattel’s toy stages without going full scale. Something you could do at a $250 price point. Would it fund or would people complain that it wasn’t in scale? If u build it they will complain
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Apr 15, 2023 12:45:26 GMT -5
I wonder if this would be more successful if the scale was smaller and had a smaller price point to match. This stage is 3ft wide and I know you can move and remove pieces to make it smaller, but it’s still $400. I wonder how things would go if it was shrunk down to two feet wide, removed a lot of the LEDs and went with sculpted lights instead, made all the different pieces smaller and less detailed. Basically making a premium version of Mattel’s toy stages without going full scale. Something you could do at a $250 price point. Would it fund or would people complain that it wasn’t in scale? If u build it they will complain We're never going to be happy. The counter argument to that would be, I'm paying $250 I'd like the full works. I have a question for those of you who know about scaling... Is this stage scaled properly in terms of accuracy? I know they're scaled for Mattel figures.
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Post by Jim Cornette’s Wendy’s Order🍔 on Apr 15, 2023 12:48:19 GMT -5
Man, I just want the base to fund. Gimmie that stage!!
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Post by kgchampion on Apr 15, 2023 12:57:34 GMT -5
If u build it they will complain We're never going to be happy. The counter argument to that would be, I'm paying $250 I'd like the full works. I have a question for those of you who know about scaling... Is this stage scaled properly in terms of accuracy? I know they're scaled for Mattel figures. It looks pretty accurate based on pictures of the actual stage, possibly a little bigger than the real thing. The WCW logos on the real stage look like the top lines up with Hogan’s head, but in the toy version the WCW logos are taller than that Warrior’s head.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Apr 15, 2023 12:59:05 GMT -5
I think I mentioned this before but there’s really no incentive to get multiples. There’s no 2 in 1 looks for the figures like with Macho. Extra skirts gave you a reason to justify getting more than one ring. Like if they did all white Steiner they coulda given him a dark haired alternate head for a late Steiner Brothers look. Add on pieces to convert into a nWo Nitro stage woulda helped too.
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Post by CM Tusk on Apr 15, 2023 13:00:33 GMT -5
I think I mentioned this before but there’s really no incentive to get multiples. There’s no 2 in 1 looks for the figures like with Macho. Extra skirts gave you a reason to justify getting more than one ring. Like if they did all white Steiner they coulda given him a dark haired alternate head for a late Steiner Brothers look. Add on pieces to convert into a nWo Nitro stage woulda helped too. Only if you collect both MOC and loose really, but at that point just buy the figures from someone that only wants the stage.
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Post by ajay182 on Apr 15, 2023 13:07:54 GMT -5
New Gen was below the £135 threshold, so it's likelier to slip through. The Nitro arena will almost definitely be caught in the customs net, as it's well over the threshold. No it wasn’t as it was $250. Around £190 at the time of payment, close to £225 when it was shipped Ah my mistake, I thought it was $150 for some reason.
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Post by ajay182 on Apr 15, 2023 13:09:39 GMT -5
I posted this calculation a few weeks back, but how I'd break it out is: - Item cost: £322. Let's say £325 to account for currency movements. - Shipping surcharge is £60, according to the Mattel FAQ - this seems a little high (based on my US-to-UK shipments), but not shockingly so. - Total pre-VAT/customs: £385 - 20% for VAT - 4% for Duties/Customs - Total: £92 Total is £477. So at £509, it's overcharged by £32/$40. If you sent an American the cost converted to US dollars and they shipped it to you as a “family” member in the states sending you a package do you have an estimated price based on the US crowd fund price? Can someone in the US send a package friends and family style to you without the added fees? Sadly not, import duty/VAT is still payable on "gifts" as I recall.
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Apr 15, 2023 13:13:29 GMT -5
We're never going to be happy. The counter argument to that would be, I'm paying $250 I'd like the full works. I have a question for those of you who know about scaling... Is this stage scaled properly in terms of accuracy? I know they're scaled for Mattel figures. It looks pretty accurate based on pictures of the actual stage, possibly a little bigger than the real thing. The WCW logos on the real stage look like the top lines up with Hogan’s head, but in the toy version the WCW logos are taller than that Warrior’s head. That's what I was thinking. The actual stage always looked a little compressed. I feel like maybe it's slightly larger for the electronics hardware? Either Way, I like what Mattel gave us. I wouldn't want a half assed cheap version. I really hope Steve and the team photographs this stage and show us how the remote works and everything. I feel like that might convince more people to back it.
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Post by ajay182 on Apr 15, 2023 13:19:33 GMT -5
So with all this international stuff, especially the UK...why couldnt Mattel take the orders as normal, then once they've seen how many come from there, ship a mass quantity to a UK distributor, who then just delivers it "locally". Thus avoiding individual customs fees. wouldn't that make sense? why would something like that not be possible? like...how do UK toy stores get Mattel figures do they pay a gigantic customs fee every time they get an order? if that's what's causing the price to be so high, there has to be a better way around it. Most UK retailers bake the taxes into the retail price, which is why equivalent figures generally retail for more here - e.g. a $25 Elite is £25-27 ($31-33) as that'll include VAT and import tax. I'd imagine for mass retail products, Matte probably ships them from more local warehouses rather than US to UK, so it may be a different tax rate. I guess the reason these unique ideas are crowdfunds is one or both of: a) distributors/physical retailers don't want to take them on due to the price and logistics (these would take up a ton of warehouse space) b) Mattel's margins on some products are too low to share with distribution/retail There isn't a lot in it for distributors, ultimately. And even if the import taxes are lower as distributors buy closer to cost price, once they've added their own margin on, there might not be much difference for the end buyer.
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Post by SteveHulk on Apr 15, 2023 14:02:01 GMT -5
I think WCW did well for itself, but as a product, especially 20+ years after it closed it's doors, it doesn't have the same support or popularity as WWE. Even looking at the thread on here about which Steiner outfit you want, the WWE one is winning by a mile, despite all his WCW looks. I think this being a WCW product is doing more harm than people are letting on. That attire is winning by four votes, and it probably couldn't be done accurately because it has the Superman S and '69' on the side. Plus multiple WCW looks means the votes are spread out. Are there more total votes for WCW attires or the WWE ones? WWE is clearly more popular now because it's still a thing, but are there thousands of more fans of early 2000s WWE (not current WWE) willing to drop $400+ on a Raw stage? Or would a WWE-themed crowdfund be in the same boat right now?
If Mattel wanted a Monday Night Wars theme (right or wrong choice there is a different debate), why would they not choose something from the show that won the ratings war for weeks upon weeks?This is a great point... was a WCW product the correct way to go for only the second crowdfunding project? It has a MUCH smaller collector base than WWE: forum.wrestlingfigs.com/thread/374188/favourite-era-collect...15 votes for WCW '95-'01 (ie. the Nitro stage period) - on a hardcore/dedicated wrestling collector website. If the stage thing fails, along with the international issue, it could be down to there just not being enough WCW collectors - or WWE collectors willing to spend this much for something WCW(?)
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