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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Apr 17, 2023 10:17:08 GMT -5
You could release them at $250 and it would still get more backers than this. One of the stark differences between this campaign and the New Gen one is that with the New Gen, I had at least a bit of temptation after they came forward with the early backer incentive. Macho is the only character I buy multiples of without hesitation, and I came down to the wire deciding whether or not I was gonna go in on it in order to have that rarity in my Savage collection. In the end, I didn't, because WMX doesn't resonate with me for a number of reasons, but this campaign has had none of that. I generally like the figures being offered here, but they kind of suffer from a) all (but Steiner) being characters I already have figures of that I'm settled on, b) not particularly being characters I'm a giant fan of (DDP comes close, but I already have one more Hogan than I'll ever need, one more Warrior than I ever needed, and only one Rey I'd consider buying as a duplicate if I can find the right price), and c) being packaged with a stage that I have less than no need or space for. At $400, that's just such a difficult buy-in for me. At $250 for a set of five? I'd at least be in the consideration phase, if only because I could feasibly see a reasonably pain-free way to recoup my money for the Hogan, Rey, and Warrior figures I wouldn't be keeping. The prospect of packing, selling, and shipping the ring, the stage, and Diesel put me off of the New Gen, and this set is only bigger, with more figures I wouldn't want to keep, and comes with a much higher price tag to try and recoup. $400 for two Ultimates (and only one being guaranteed if the goal is hit)? I'm out. People want premium figures and will pay top dollar for them. The made to order MC release of Cody and Logan prove that, their refusal to do figure centric crowdfunds is nonsensical. "Well the heart break hotel proved they don't need to crowdfund those things" then why haven't they done it since? Figures sell accessories, accessories don't sell figures.
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Post by Warriah' on Apr 17, 2023 10:24:15 GMT -5
So if this crawled to 5k would you all consider this to be a success or a lucky escape?
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Apr 17, 2023 10:35:28 GMT -5
You could release them at $250 and it would still get more backers than this. You probably could. But that’s not what Mattel is offering. I said last year during the New Generation campaign I wouldn’t back that but if they did a WCW one I would. So they did and gladly backed it. I haven’t told others to or not to. It’s worth it to me, but if others think it’s not worth it for them to drop the money on then so be it. But I do have a problem with people saying nobody wants the stage just do the figures. I may be in the minority but don’t speak for me. Just let this succeed or fail instead of undermining it with all their “Mattel should do this”. Come May 6 if this fails and people want to ask Steve about just doing the figures fine. But like I said if this does fail I hope Steve and Bill finally learn their lesson. And that is they can’t listen to the board’s members and Con goers. Because Mattel shows stuff and everyone says OMG! Take my money. And if that’s made I will buy it. But when those people are saying that they aren’t thinking of the cost or their situation they just see the shiny new object and have to have it. Then when Mattel release it and people see the price only a few actually follow through. Then all the excuses/reasons (many valid) of why they can’t/aren’t come out. So they (Mattel) need to realize that when they are getting that feedback those people aren’t thinking about their situations and what it will cost. Yeah believe it or not, people make statements based off their current situation and not predicting the future 2 years from then. Mattel striking while the iron is ice cold at the start of a recession is def not the problem, it's the collectors fault for not being able to see the future.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 10:45:08 GMT -5
So if this gets funded a lot of the tooling for Raw is War would be made. Most of it will be reuse of the stage and trusses. If it’s still supposed to be more expensive with most of the parts already available through this fund, I wonder if they plan on making a working titantron. Maybe something that’s wifi enabled that will allow you to cast videos onto. Or pre-programmed with several videos. Possibly an SD card and/or USB slot to add videos. Or they could just make it tablet friendly and save everybody so much money and get backers faster
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 10:46:37 GMT -5
Yeah, this ain’t getting funded. Mattel should consider releasing those figures in regular set. Let’s think about it. 1. Mass retail means easier accessibility and no weird extra fees 2. More accessories which highlights what Ultimate line is all about 3. Nobody really wants that stage evidently, so both parties save money 4. Most of us will not be forced to pay the 400 dollar paywall just because we want those figures. I personally really hope that’s the route they go. I just want the stage....Hogan, Rey and Warrior I have no interest in, the same could be said for DDP really. Steiner I'd like, but not for that price, plus we'll get a Steiner further down the line, likewise for the others. Yes but I’m saying that statistically speaking you’re in the minority. It seems that the majority don’t want it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 10:52:31 GMT -5
If I had to bet my money I’d say they want those figures but don’t want to pay 400 dollars for them. That’s a much more logical assumption. Remove the stage and make it a figure set for 150 and watch the backers roll in. So you think it would cost $150 for them to produce those 5 figures? Two of which in Warrior and Steiner that have all new tooling? UE’s at mass retail are about $35 now. So what you’re suggesting that’s already $5 cheaper a figure than if they were a mass retail release. But then you need to factor in it’s a shorter production run which means it’s going to cost them more to produce. So there’s no way they would release those for $150. Well tooling doesn’t make a good excuse for a larger price tag, since if that was the case then every FTITL would cost more And yes, 150 would be an ideal price and provide for incentive for buyers since it’s a package deal but let’s not fixate on the 150 tag, I sued that as a rough example, I think anything under 230 will get much more backers than this abomination has lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 11:03:25 GMT -5
So if this crawled to 5k would you all consider this to be a success or a lucky escape? I honestly think that even if this miraculously backs Mattel aren’t doing anymore crowdfunders in the future for WWE. It’s just proved to be too risky I’d even be willing to bet that they’ve already scraped the Raw stage after this fiasco. I’m almost certain.
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Post by PJ on Apr 17, 2023 11:09:06 GMT -5
You probably could. But that’s not what Mattel is offering. I said last year during the New Generation campaign I wouldn’t back that but if they did a WCW one I would. So they did and gladly backed it. I haven’t told others to or not to. It’s worth it to me, but if others think it’s not worth it for them to drop the money on then so be it. But I do have a problem with people saying nobody wants the stage just do the figures. I may be in the minority but don’t speak for me. Just let this succeed or fail instead of undermining it with all their “Mattel should do this”. Come May 6 if this fails and people want to ask Steve about just doing the figures fine. But like I said if this does fail I hope Steve and Bill finally learn their lesson. And that is they can’t listen to the board’s members and Con goers. Because Mattel shows stuff and everyone says OMG! Take my money. And if that’s made I will buy it. But when those people are saying that they aren’t thinking of the cost or their situation they just see the shiny new object and have to have it. Then when Mattel release it and people see the price only a few actually follow through. Then all the excuses/reasons (many valid) of why they can’t/aren’t come out. So they (Mattel) need to realize that when they are getting that feedback those people aren’t thinking about their situations and what it will cost. Yeah believe it or not, people make statements based off their current situation and not predicting the future 2 years from then. Mattel striking while the iron is ice cold at the start of a recession is def not the problem, it's the collectors fault for not being able to see the future. So if the collector’s don’t know what their situation is or what it looks like it’ll be down the road when they said they wanted it then how is Mattel supposed to know what the collector’s situations are? All they are reading and hearing are…”OMG! Take my Money” or “I have to have one”, etc. They are just going by what they hear. So that’s (listening) on them and should take what most of the collectors say with a grain of salt. They need to pull out their Scott Steiner math.
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Apr 17, 2023 11:20:56 GMT -5
Yeah believe it or not, people make statements based off their current situation and not predicting the future 2 years from then. Mattel striking while the iron is ice cold at the start of a recession is def not the problem, it's the collectors fault for not being able to see the future. So if the collector’s don’t know what their situation is or what it looks like it’ll be down the road when they said they wanted it then how is Mattel supposed to know what the collector’s situations are? All they are reading and hearing are…”OMG! Take my Money” or “I have to have one”, etc. They are just going by what they hear. So that’s (listening) on them and should take what most of the collectors say with a grain of salt. They need to pull out their Scott Steiner math. Mattel has direct access to sales information and has raised the price of figures "to combat inflation" nearly 25%. Anyone with a brain could look at the current state of the economy and figure out that releasing a 400+ dollar item right now is a much bigger ask and tougher sale than 2 years ago. 2 years ago a carton of eggs wasn't over 10 dollars, the collectables market bubble wasn't bursting and 2 years ago this probably wouldn't even be 400 dollars.
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Apr 17, 2023 11:24:32 GMT -5
So if this crawled to 5k would you all consider this to be a success or a lucky escape? Lucky escape for sure and like that other guy said, even if it did I think they need to go back to the drawing board and realize these big entrances are not it.
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Post by WrestlingFigWig on Apr 17, 2023 11:28:28 GMT -5
So if the collector’s don’t know what their situation is or what it looks like it’ll be down the road when they said they wanted it then how is Mattel supposed to know what the collector’s situations are? All they are reading and hearing are…”OMG! Take my Money” or “I have to have one”, etc. They are just going by what they hear. So that’s (listening) on them and should take what most of the collectors say with a grain of salt. They need to pull out their Scott Steiner math. Mattel has direct access to sales information and has raised the price of figures "to combat inflation" nearly 25%. Anyone with a brain could look at the current state of the economy and figure out that releasing a 400+ dollar item right now is a much bigger ask and tougher sale than 2 years ago. 2 years ago a carton of eggs wasn't over 10 dollars, the collectables market bubble wasn't bursting and 2 years ago this probably wouldn't even be 400 dollars. Thank you! This is what I was saying from the beginning. The concept is so cool, in theory and at a different time, but HOW IN THE WORLD did they think in today's climate that this would succeed?! It blows my mind. Trust me, I want this, but there's no way any type of data in the last year of the economy would point to this being a good idea. 9-11k backers for your top top tiers for something so niche, are you kidding me? How did they read the tea leaves so wrong is mind boggling. I love Steve and he can come up with all the excuses he wants, but at the end of the day, this was a huge mess and mistake on his part.
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Post by PJ on Apr 17, 2023 11:33:06 GMT -5
So if the collector’s don’t know what their situation is or what it looks like it’ll be down the road when they said they wanted it then how is Mattel supposed to know what the collector’s situations are? All they are reading and hearing are…”OMG! Take my Money” or “I have to have one”, etc. They are just going by what they hear. So that’s (listening) on them and should take what most of the collectors say with a grain of salt. They need to pull out their Scott Steiner math. Mattel has direct access to sales information and has raised the price of figures "to combat inflation" nearly 25%. Anyone with a brain could look at the current state of the economy and figure out that releasing a 400+ dollar item right now is a much bigger ask and tougher sale than 2 years ago. 2 years ago a carton of eggs wasn't over 10 dollars, the collectables market bubble wasn't bursting and 2 years ago this probably wouldn't even be 400 dollars. And the collector should’ve known that too better than Mattel. They get a paycheck every week and know the prices of everything is going up. So they know better than anyone else what they can and can’t afford, but they didn’t take that into consideration and still said “Here, Take my money” and “I have to have it”What did they think it was going to be for free? It’s a two way street and I am sorry collectors should know what they can and can’t afford a year in advance. They should have been setting money aside for it if they really had to have it like they were implying. You can’t just put the blame on Mattel it has to go on the collectors who were giving them the feedback as well.
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Apr 17, 2023 11:48:43 GMT -5
Mattel has direct access to sales information and has raised the price of figures "to combat inflation" nearly 25%. Anyone with a brain could look at the current state of the economy and figure out that releasing a 400+ dollar item right now is a much bigger ask and tougher sale than 2 years ago. 2 years ago a carton of eggs wasn't over 10 dollars, the collectables market bubble wasn't bursting and 2 years ago this probably wouldn't even be 400 dollars. And the collector should’ve known that too better than Mattel. They get a paycheck every week and know the prices of everything is going up. So collectors should have better market data than the corporation selling the item and should have predicted unprecedented historical inflation. This is real galaxy brain logic.
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Post by Xæro #FakeCollector on Apr 17, 2023 11:55:04 GMT -5
If your opinion is different from mine you're just s hater 😭😭😭
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Post by PJ on Apr 17, 2023 11:56:39 GMT -5
And the collector should’ve known that too better than Mattel. They get a paycheck every week and know the prices of everything is going up. So collectors should have better market data than the corporation selling the item and should have predicted unprecedented historical inflation. This is real galaxy brain logic. So Mattel should know your finances better than you? ok 😂 😂 😂 but the funny thing is you are saying the same thing I am saying. They need to stop listening to the boards and Con goers. 😂 Which was my initial point when you decided to come after me about it. 😂
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Post by wwecreative on Apr 17, 2023 12:06:23 GMT -5
Still hopeful it gets backed I understand the sticker shock but collectors even in this economy have been buying other crowdfunds….Eternia anyone lol… If this fails I can never see the team being able to justify offering another big ticket item ever again
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Post by J-MANN on Apr 17, 2023 12:08:26 GMT -5
Stayed away a few days hoping this thread wouldn’t be so toxic.. nope
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Post by irishstrife on Apr 17, 2023 12:18:27 GMT -5
Stayed away a few days hoping this thread wouldn’t be so toxic.. nope Nope. Still constant arguing and goal post moving. We got Steiner added to the base but now that's not good enough for people to back.
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Post by PJ on Apr 17, 2023 12:31:44 GMT -5
I am surprised they haven’t taken the second payment yet. I am pretty sure I backed it the Monday after WrestleMania using the 4 payments plan. Which was $110 every two weeks until it’s done. It’s 1:30pm now I would have thought for sure they’d have taken the second payment by now.
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Post by irishstrife on Apr 17, 2023 12:32:58 GMT -5
I am surprised they haven’t taken the second payment yet. I am pretty sure I backed it the Monday after WrestleMania using the 4 payments plan. Which was $110 every two weeks until it’s done. It’s 1:30pm now I would have thought for sure they’d have taken the second payment by now. Payments won't go through unless it funds is my understanding.
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