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Post by ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕠 𝕂𝕚𝕝𝕝 on Apr 17, 2023 12:42:47 GMT -5
We've been really wearing down that quote button in here
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Post by PJ on Apr 17, 2023 12:47:49 GMT -5
I am surprised they haven’t taken the second payment yet. I am pretty sure I backed it the Monday after WrestleMania using the 4 payments plan. Which was $110 every two weeks until it’s done. It’s 1:30pm now I would have thought for sure they’d have taken the second payment by now. Payments won't go through unless it funds is my understanding. With the Payment plan they are taking them and will reimburse if it doesn’t get funded. But I looked at my statement and the first payment was taken out on the 4th not 3rd…so I guess it’ll be taken tomorrow not today.
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Post by savedbytheringbell on Apr 17, 2023 13:02:12 GMT -5
I feel like we’re moving backwards on the stages of grief chart.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Apr 17, 2023 13:22:19 GMT -5
We wanna blame the state of the economy but who’s really struggling? I just seen a guy in a turkey suit and like the 5th release of original Taker sell out in just a couple hours for $80. This past holiday season people posting how they have made multiple orders to RSC during their BF & CM sales. Every time preorders drop on RSC people are posting the hundreds of dollars they just spent. Last summer Haslab sold nearly 27,000 Hiss Tanks at $300. Last fall Mattel sold over 9000 Eternia sets at $550. The Raw is War ring initially sold out for $150 merely weeks after most of us just got the New Gen ring. Clearly there’s plenty of us that hasn’t felt the effects of this economy and have plenty of disposable income to spend on this hobby.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Apr 17, 2023 13:32:38 GMT -5
I feel like we’re moving backwards on the stages of grief chart. Grief on WF is more of a swing set than a linear path.
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Post by AxelSmackdown on Apr 17, 2023 13:32:56 GMT -5
We wanna blame the state of the economy but who’s really struggling? I just seen a guy in a turkey suit and like the 5th release of original Taker sell out in just a couple hours for $80. This past holiday season people posting how they have made multiple orders to RSC during their BF & CM sales. Every time preorders drop on RSC people are posting the hundreds of dollars they just spent. Last summer Haslab sold nearly 27,000 Hiss Tanks at $300. Last fall Mattel sold over 9000 Eternia sets at $550. The Raw is War ring initially sold out for $150 merely weeks after most of us just got the New Gen ring. Clearly there’s plenty of us that hasn’t felt the effects of this economy and have plenty of disposable income to spend on this hobby. let’s be honest, the economy is sh¡t right now but I think you’re right. I think the problem is poor marketing and people waiting for it to hit a certain number before they back it. I know there’s some that can’t actually afford it, but that’s ok, I don’t blame them wanting to pay their bills over supporting a crowdfund. and then there’s people that just straight up aren’t interested or maybe in just 1-2 figures, and that’s ok too.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Apr 17, 2023 13:37:29 GMT -5
WF is a really weird barometer for economic confidence.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Apr 17, 2023 13:39:59 GMT -5
A thought! What if, with a week to go till the campaign ends ... Mattel says, "we would like to thank the fans who have invested in the WCW Nitro Entrance Stage. Since we are going to reuse parts from this display for the future we have decided to honor and reward the 2,084.00 supporters who believed in us and make this for those and any other passionate collectors who jumps in within the next week. As of now this means, that only 2,084 exclusive Scott Steiner and Rey Mysterio figures will exists if the campaign ended today. (Mattel has $833,600.00 from us right now). How many more would jump in? Me thinks a lot. . A LOT! Again, it's psycology. Mattel has already proven that CAN'T doesn't exist which I like. They also in all liklihood will be doing ultimates for Steiner and Rey so this is already helping on that front ... plus the stage could be reused in multpiple ways - so those investors would be sharing the cost of development. Now what happens if everyone learns with a week to go - Mattel is going to honor the 2,084 backers and anyone else who jumps in? People are NOT going to want to miss out! They don't want only 2,084 collectors owning somehting unique that they don't have. The value rises. The lemmings jump off the cliff! Let's do it! That's massively idealistic wishful thinking but doesn't work in the real world business. The Raw stage could ONLY be feasible if this gets past the 5,000 stage (no pun intended), IE the tooling stage. Because for it to be somewhat economically viable, some of the parts need to come from the same molds because of the incredibly expensive tooling. No Nitro stage = no Raw stage. Basically because the Raw stage would be significantly more expensive due to the additional size. It'd probably mean more than $500 easily, and that would probably equate to about £700 for us international consumers :/ So was moving Scott Steiner from the tier. Many said it was impossible! I think what would be great about doing it - it rewards the believers and would be an alert that NOBODY would have a right to be angry! Those who wanted it helped the investment process. Those that are saying it will never happen or I will only get it if it gets there or if they do this or that - Mattel would call their bluff and say we are doing it for these people who believe. I think there would be a lot of believers. In all likelihood the end game works. If it didn't work - they still have had a significant amount of investors help build something that in all likelihood Mattel will reuse items in multiple ways over the many years. That's significantly easier and doesn't result them in losing any money whatsoever.
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Post by NoseBleedcollectibles on Apr 17, 2023 13:44:49 GMT -5
We wanna blame the state of the economy but who’s really struggling? I just seen a guy in a turkey suit and like the 5th release of original Taker sell out in just a couple hours for $80. This past holiday season people posting how they have made multiple orders to RSC during their BF & CM sales. Every time preorders drop on RSC people are posting the hundreds of dollars they just spent. Last summer Haslab sold nearly 27,000 Hiss Tanks at $300. Last fall Mattel sold over 9000 Eternia sets at $550. The Raw is War ring initially sold out for $150 merely weeks after most of us just got the New Gen ring. Clearly there’s plenty of us that hasn’t felt the effects of this economy and have plenty of disposable income to spend on this hobby. 💯
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Post by kgchampion on Apr 17, 2023 13:46:45 GMT -5
So if this gets funded a lot of the tooling for Raw is War would be made. Most of it will be reuse of the stage and trusses. If it’s still supposed to be more expensive with most of the parts already available through this fund, I wonder if they plan on making a working titantron. Maybe something that’s wifi enabled that will allow you to cast videos onto. Or pre-programmed with several videos. Possibly an SD card and/or USB slot to add videos. I would be annoyed if they added a working screen to it. That would jack up the cost tremendously. I would much rather they provide some way to put a display of your own behind the trusses similar to how the second entrance stage had functionality to put a tablet in the titan tron. That was brilliant. And it would reduce cost. And you wouldn’t be stuck with a nonworking screen built into the whole thing if the screen was defective or if it dies in 10 years.
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Post by kgchampion on Apr 17, 2023 13:48:34 GMT -5
New Gen Arena was at 67% with less than 26 hours before the Macho Man deadline. It hit 5k with less than 9 hours to go. It hit 7k with less than 3 hours until Macho deadline. It reached 8k in the final minute before the Macho deadline.
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Post by NoseBleedcollectibles on Apr 17, 2023 13:53:21 GMT -5
New Gen Arena was at 67% with less than 26 hours before the Macho Man deadline. It hit 5k with less than 9 hours to go. It hit 7k with less than 3 hours until Macho deadline. It reached 8k in the final minute before the Macho deadline. So what r u saying?
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Apr 17, 2023 14:04:41 GMT -5
I feel like we’re moving backwards on the stages of grief chart. For shoot its a common misconception that the stages of grief are linear, you can experience them in any order and often repeat certain ones.
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Apr 17, 2023 14:08:09 GMT -5
WF is a really weird barometer for economic confidence. My thing is if all these collectors are doing so well and the economy isn't effecting them, why aren't they backing multiples like people were for the New Gen Arena. I guess the poors just out number the giga chad collectors.
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Post by jumpinjefffarmer on Apr 17, 2023 14:14:22 GMT -5
WF is a really weird barometer for economic confidence. My thing is if all these collectors are doing so well and the economy isn't effecting them, why aren't they backing multiples like people were for the New Gen Arena. I guess the poors just out number the giga chad collectors. Chuck norris never caught covid..covid caught chuck norris
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Post by natureboyfauser on Apr 17, 2023 14:14:55 GMT -5
A thought! What if, with a week to go till the campaign ends ... Mattel says, "we would like to thank the fans who have invested in the WCW Nitro Entrance Stage. Since we are going to reuse parts from this display for the future we have decided to honor and reward the 2,084.00 supporters who believed in us and make this for those and any other passionate collectors who jumps in within the next week. As of now this means, that only 2,084 exclusive Scott Steiner and Rey Mysterio figures will exists if the campaign ended today. (Mattel has $833,600.00 from us right now). How many more would jump in? Me thinks a lot. . A LOT! Again, it's psycology. Mattel has already proven that CAN'T doesn't exist which I like. They also in all liklihood will be doing ultimates for Steiner and Rey so this is already helping on that front ... plus the stage could be reused in multpiple ways - so those investors would be sharing the cost of development. Now what happens if everyone learns with a week to go - Mattel is going to honor the 2,084 backers and anyone else who jumps in? People are NOT going to want to miss out! They don't want only 2,084 collectors owning somehting unique that they don't have. The value rises. The lemmings jump off the cliff! Let's do it! That's massively idealistic wishful thinking but doesn't work in the real world business. The Raw stage could ONLY be feasible if this gets past the 5,000 stage (no pun intended), IE the tooling stage. Because for it to be somewhat economically viable, some of the parts need to come from the same molds because of the incredibly expensive tooling. No Nitro stage = no Raw stage. Basically because the Raw stage would be significantly more expensive due to the additional size. It'd probably mean more than $500 easily, and that would probably equate to about £700 for us international consumers :/ So was moving Scott Steiner from the tier. Many said it was impossible! I think what would be great about doing it - it rewards the believers and would be an alert that NOBODY would have a right to be angry! Those who wanted it helped the investment process. Those that are saying it will never happen or I will only get it if it gets there or if they do this or that - Mattel would call their bluff and say we are doing it for these people who believe. I think there would be a lot of believers. In all likelihood the end game works. If it didn't work - they still have had a significant amount of investors help build something that in all likelihood Mattel will reuse items in multiple ways over the many years. That's significantly easier and doesn't result them in losing any money whatsoever. Actually, it works all the time where toy company's make a calculated risk on purchasing the license without product. Creating a product hoping it sells. In likelihood they will be using pieces of this stage one way or another! In all likelihood they will make an Ultimate figure of Rey and Scott Steiner so to get guarantee money for the development of this is not impossible. This isn't even factoring in how many people will jump in because now this isn't speculation but a reality. The philosophy would be ... Do you really want to be one of those collectors who misses out on this? Again, a Hail Mary idea is not the 1st choice ... but if they have an investment on the Monday Night Wars with a ring and Bischoff coming out I wouldn't rule anything out for sure unless I heard it from Mattel.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Apr 17, 2023 14:15:32 GMT -5
WF is a really weird barometer for economic confidence. My thing is if all these collectors are doing so well and the economy isn't effecting them, why aren't they backing multiples like people were for the New Gen Arena. I think, as usual here, people are looking for a singular scapegoat. It's all the more likely a spectrum of factors that are going to differ from collector to collector. It's also really weird (but not entirely out of character for present company) that people who aren't struggling seem to lack the capability to step off of their front stoop and recognize that a lot of people already are. I hate to even say it, because it sounds so braggadocious and I've been there before to know how bad it can suck, but honestly? I could back this, today, right now, and hardly even notice the draw on account, but it's such a high cost, low reward ratio for me that it's not worth the buy in.
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Post by stc13 on Apr 17, 2023 14:21:47 GMT -5
WF is a really weird barometer for economic confidence. My thing is if all these collectors are doing so well and the economy isn't effecting them, why aren't they backing multiples like people were for the New Gen Arena. I guess the poors just out number the giga chad collectors. There are a lot of factors than just "the economy." This box will (presumably) have a bigger footprint than the New Gen set. For people that aren't planning to flip it on Day 1, that means more storage space needed. Presumably fewer figures, which are the easiest pieces to move from a convenience standpoint. The New Gen set had two large pieces (entrance + ring) - the stage will sell for more, but also it's a smaller audience. At $250 I felt very confident I could unload 2 or 3 of the figures (the easier to ship/process items) and more or less cover my costs. The other items are gravy. With this set you would sell the figures to recoup about half your cost. It's a great item as a collector. Just because someone has disposable income doesn't mean this project is as attractive as the New Gen set from a resale perspective.
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Post by PJ on Apr 17, 2023 14:23:00 GMT -5
WF is a really weird barometer for economic confidence. My thing is if all these collectors are doing so well and the economy isn't effecting them, why aren't they backing multiples like people were for the New Gen Arena. I guess the poors just out number the giga chad collectors. I only need one why would I back more? I don’t sell things so it would just sit in the storage unit we’re paying for until I’m dead and my wife would need to sell it then. So there’s no need to buy a second that I would just be paying a monthly storage fee for. lol As it is I am hoping after the last 15-20 years at some point this year my wife decides we don’t need to keep every set of baby clothes and school work our daughter did and we can condense the contents to the smallest until or get rind of the storage unit all together. I think the only school work not in there is whatever she did when she was at Kings College in London. And the only reason that’s not in there is because our daughter didn’t ship it home when she graduated. lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 14:28:52 GMT -5
A thought! What if, with a week to go till the campaign ends ... Mattel says, "we would like to thank the fans who have invested in the WCW Nitro Entrance Stage. Since we are going to reuse parts from this display for the future we have decided to honor and reward the 2,084.00 supporters who believed in us and make this for those and any other passionate collectors who jumps in within the next week. As of now this means, that only 2,084 exclusive Scott Steiner and Rey Mysterio figures will exists if the campaign ended today. (Mattel has $833,600.00 from us right now). How many more would jump in? Me thinks a lot. . A LOT! Again, it's psycology. Mattel has already proven that CAN'T doesn't exist which I like. They also in all liklihood will be doing ultimates for Steiner and Rey so this is already helping on that front ... plus the stage could be reused in multpiple ways - so those investors would be sharing the cost of development. Now what happens if everyone learns with a week to go - Mattel is going to honor the 2,084 backers and anyone else who jumps in? People are NOT going to want to miss out! They don't want only 2,084 collectors owning somehting unique that they don't have. The value rises. The lemmings jump off the cliff! Let's do it! That's massively idealistic wishful thinking but doesn't work in the real world business. The Raw stage could ONLY be feasible if this gets past the 5,000 stage (no pun intended), IE the tooling stage. Because for it to be somewhat economically viable, some of the parts need to come from the same molds because of the incredibly expensive tooling. No Nitro stage = no Raw stage. Basically because the Raw stage would be significantly more expensive due to the additional size. It'd probably mean more than $500 easily, and that would probably equate to about £700 for us international consumers :/ So was moving Scott Steiner from the tier. Many said it was impossible! I think what would be great about doing it - it rewards the believers and would be an alert that NOBODY would have a right to be angry! Those who wanted it helped the investment process. Those that are saying it will never happen or I will only get it if it gets there or if they do this or that - Mattel would call their bluff and say we are doing it for these people who believe. I think there would be a lot of believers. In all likelihood the end game works. If it didn't work - they still have had a significant amount of investors help build something that in all likelihood Mattel will reuse items in multiple ways over the many years. That's significantly easier and doesn't result them in losing any money whatsoever. I honestly think the raw is war stage is already out of the question. This entire campaign has proved that stages don’t sell that well. Even if it does reach 5000 backers, I think Mattel would be mighty damn stupid to do another stage especially since this one required a whole pivot (which is already a big red flag in corporate’s eyes) only to move about 50 more units lol
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