elvisfan1
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Post by elvisfan1 on Apr 21, 2023 9:10:06 GMT -5
New gen cost ukers about £250 after customs, including shipping. Which was a little more than it would have been solely due to the pound’s value at the time of shipping £509 is more than double that price. And we’re honestly getting less New gen was: Diesel UE - FTITL Doink UE - FTITL - completely impossible in main line due t obscurity Macho Man UE - completely impossible in the main line due to deco A light up entrance A ring 2 sets of alt ring skirts This is A stage Rey Mysterio UE - attire already released as elite Scott Steiner UE - FTITL For double the price. Spot on. I don't know how people are seeing the value in this set personally.
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crush
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Post by crush on Apr 21, 2023 9:22:33 GMT -5
I don’t think you’re completely wrong or anything close, especially in the sense that there aren’t millions of WCW fans waiting to back or etc. however that being said, I still price and size are bigger impediments. In fact, I’ll go a step further: Probably a controversial opinion, but I think a Raw is War stage at the same or higher price point with the same type of figure tier layout would also be struggling to be funded. I absolutely agree that the price and size are the two biggest factors. I just think the nostalgia or lack there of is a contributing factor as to why people aren't willing to pay that much. I think it's a factor, but not the determining one, if that makes sense. Like if this was a Raw Is War stage that had launched with comparable Attitude Era Ultimates in the same tier structure: (Loose comparisons, but I tried to match the WCW figure tier structure as best I could): Early Bird: Stone Cold in jeans and tee shirt. (Like Hogan, a super-recognizable star ) 5000: Debut or Brood Edge (Like WCW Debut Rey, a HOF talent in their national television debut look) 7000: 1998 Mankind (Like DDP, a look that's been made before but people want in Ultimate form) 9000: Attitude Era Paul Bearer (Steiner, the most-demand of the figures, though admittedly I couldn't really think of an equivalent true FTITL that equaled) 11000: Either 1997 Rocky Maivia 0r 1999 $500 shirt Rock (Warrior, someone who's had multiple Ultimates in a look that wouldn't jump out as one many desired) Now obviously, the figures could be swapped out for others (DX IYH HBK, 1998 Triple H, 1998 X-Pac, Jerry Lawler, whatever) but my overall point is that a think a Raw stage with corresponding figures might garner more nostalgia buys, but I still don't think it would be funded by now. Maybe it's at 60% right now instead of 42% for example.
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crush
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Post by crush on Apr 21, 2023 9:24:28 GMT -5
New Gen price was better but it wasn’t really a package people were sold on. It had a lot of factors working against it. - Not everyone wanted another ring. We weren’t that far removed from the Raw and SD Main Event rings or WCT ASRs that a lot of us already had in our collection. Finding a spot for another ring felt more of a hindrance.
- Nostalgia just wasn’t there. New Gen was a really low point for WWF where a lot of people from the Golden Age started checking out
- Diesel was very underwhelming
- Tiers were kinda underwhelming as well. Doink was toyetic but not really a must have and skirts were kind of a “cool if we get it but not gonna be upset if we don’t” item
- The WW block logo is a big eyesore for many and with it being so prominent on the entrance and the ring it was impossible to ignore
- Nothing about the whole set prior to Macho being added felt like a must have
I did find the hype around Doink kind of funny... he was never mentioned once in people's previous UE wants/wish-lists - but suddenly became this must-have figure(?). I said at the time: if he was announced/released as part of the regular UE line or something, there'd have probably been an uproar, lol. TBF, and I say this as someone who has the Doink but was less excited by it than Diesel or Macho, I think the reason no one ever talked about Doink prior to the crowdfunder is that they knew there was zero chance a Doink would ever be in the Ultimate line when it was solely two figures a series and top talent only.
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Warriah'
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Post by Warriah' on Apr 21, 2023 9:52:59 GMT -5
New gen cost ukers about £250 after customs, including shipping. Which was a little more than it would have been solely due to the pound’s value at the time of shipping £509 is more than double that price. And we’re honestly getting less New gen was: Diesel UE - FTITL Doink UE - FTITL - completely impossible in main line due t obscurity Macho Man UE - completely impossible in the main line due to deco A light up entrance A ring 2 sets of alt ring skirts This is A stage Rey Mysterio UE - attire already released as elite Scott Steiner UE - FTITL For double the price. Right but this stage cost alot more then the stage we got for the NG set. Look at the size difference between the two so they cant offer as much since most of the cost is going to the stage. A greater quantity of things means it has more chance to appeal to people. A ring, an entrance and multiple figures will appeal to a greater number of people than just an entrance and fewer figs. I believe this is why you’ve got peie only thinking the value is there if everything is unlocked in the offering
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Post by Warriah' on Apr 21, 2023 9:57:54 GMT -5
They had to absolutely knock the figs out of the park and I honestly think most people here who aren’t backing/onthe fence are put off by the offering.
How many of the 5 would you buy at retail? For me it’d be Steiner and Warrior. But for someone who’s wanting just one Warrior this is one of his least toyetic looks. The UE1 fig is better in every way.
Every figure in this set feels like a Diesel. A bit plain, lacking, and nothing we haven’t (or won’t) seen in the elite line.
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Post by Grenouille on Apr 21, 2023 10:03:34 GMT -5
How many of the 5 would you buy at retail? Probably Hogan and Warrior because I’m a sucker for both of them. Rey doesn’t do much for me in that attire, DDP is close enough to the Elite and I figure there are better BPP’s coming down the line.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Apr 21, 2023 10:20:16 GMT -5
They had to absolutely knock the figs out of the park and I honestly think most people here who aren’t backing/onthe fence are put off by the offering. How many of the 5 would you buy at retail? For me it’d be Steiner and Warrior. But for someone who’s wanting just one Warrior this is one of his least toyetic looks. The UE1 fig is better in every way. Every figure in this set feels like a Diesel. A bit plain, lacking, and nothing we haven’t (or won’t) seen in the elite line. Immediate purchases: Hogan, Warrior, Pump Wait for a sale: DDP mainly for the heads Wait for under $15 clearance: Rey
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Post by kanepilk on Apr 21, 2023 10:21:38 GMT -5
New gen cost ukers about £250 after customs, including shipping. Which was a little more than it would have been solely due to the pound’s value at the time of shipping £509 is more than double that price. And we’re honestly getting less New gen was: Diesel UE - FTITL Doink UE - FTITL - completely impossible in main line due t obscurity Macho Man UE - completely impossible in the main line due to deco A light up entrance A ring 2 sets of alt ring skirts This is A stage Rey Mysterio UE - attire already released as elite Scott Steiner UE - FTITL For double the price.
Funny way of wording things. New gen was "a light up entrance" and this is "a stage". Completely ignoring the massive, massive difference between the two and how this one is a million miles better than the new gen.
Now don't get me wrong, I've not backed it (I'm not a WCW fan) but your post is way too biased.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Apr 21, 2023 10:27:59 GMT -5
New gen cost ukers about £250 after customs, including shipping. Which was a little more than it would have been solely due to the pound’s value at the time of shipping £509 is more than double that price. And we’re honestly getting less New gen was: Diesel UE - FTITL Doink UE - FTITL - completely impossible in main line due t obscurity Macho Man UE - completely impossible in the main line due to deco A light up entrance A ring 2 sets of alt ring skirts This is A stage Rey Mysterio UE - attire already released as elite Scott Steiner UE - FTITL For double the price. Diesel was bare bones and barely worthy of being called UE and attire already released as elite. Doink and skirts weren’t guaranteed. But if you’re wanting to include them then an apples to apples comparison with all the tiers unlocked includes Rey, Pump, DDP, Warrior, and Hogan. And Macho wasn’t available the last week.
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Post by WrestlingFigWig on Apr 21, 2023 10:33:08 GMT -5
New gen cost ukers about £250 after customs, including shipping. Which was a little more than it would have been solely due to the pound’s value at the time of shipping £509 is more than double that price. And we’re honestly getting less New gen was: Diesel UE - FTITL Doink UE - FTITL - completely impossible in main line due t obscurity Macho Man UE - completely impossible in the main line due to deco A light up entrance A ring 2 sets of alt ring skirts This is A stage Rey Mysterio UE - attire already released as elite Scott Steiner UE - FTITL For double the price. He says “a stage” like it’s a metal platform and that’s it. You’re forgetting the light up entrance, WCW letters, hanging banners and ramp, but yeah, let’s just call it a plain ol’ stage. We get it, you’re international and you’re being screwed. Message received the first 100 times you told us.
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Post by Sizzle on Apr 21, 2023 10:40:48 GMT -5
I won’t be backing this. Love the idea and how it looks but I can’t justify $400 to get another stage and I do not care about any of the figures in the set besides Scott Steiner, who I will probably get down the line in an attire I care for more anyway.
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Post by NoseBleedcollectibles on Apr 21, 2023 11:16:59 GMT -5
Why r people who aren't backing still on here. Go away
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Apr 21, 2023 11:24:05 GMT -5
Why r people who aren't backing still on here. Go away Because they really want to make sure every single person knows how pissed off they are at Mattel for making something they don’t want or can’t afford.
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Post by NoseBleedcollectibles on Apr 21, 2023 11:38:08 GMT -5
Why r people who aren't backing still on here. Go away Because they really want to make sure every single person knows how pissed off they are at Mattel for making something they don’t want or can’t afford. We got the point 3 weeks ago 😂
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Post by Bramahummel on Apr 21, 2023 11:39:45 GMT -5
New gen cost ukers about £250 after customs, including shipping. Which was a little more than it would have been solely due to the pound’s value at the time of shipping £509 is more than double that price. And we’re honestly getting less New gen was: Diesel UE - FTITL Doink UE - FTITL - completely impossible in main line due t obscurity Macho Man UE - completely impossible in the main line due to deco A light up entrance A ring 2 sets of alt ring skirts This is A stage Rey Mysterio UE - attire already released as elite Scott Steiner UE - FTITL For double the price. And dont forget the announcer set ☝ 😉
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Post by Bramahummel on Apr 21, 2023 11:42:33 GMT -5
New gen cost ukers about £250 after customs, including shipping. Which was a little more than it would have been solely due to the pound’s value at the time of shipping £509 is more than double that price. And we’re honestly getting less New gen was: Diesel UE - FTITL Doink UE - FTITL - completely impossible in main line due t obscurity Macho Man UE - completely impossible in the main line due to deco A light up entrance A ring 2 sets of alt ring skirts This is A stage Rey Mysterio UE - attire already released as elite Scott Steiner UE - FTITL For double the price. He says “a stage” like it’s a metal platform and that’s it. You’re forgetting the light up entrance, WCW letters, hanging banners and ramp, but yeah, let’s just call it a plain ol’ stage. We get it, you’re international and you’re being screwed. Message received the first 100 times you told us. 😅😅
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Apr 21, 2023 11:42:41 GMT -5
Because they really want to make sure every single person knows how pissed off they are at Mattel for making something they don’t want or can’t afford. We got the point 3 weeks ago 😂 But maybe Mattel will make even more changes if they keep complaining
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Post by Xæro #FakeCollector on Apr 21, 2023 11:44:27 GMT -5
Why r people who aren't backing still on here. Go away I too only want to converse with people who agree with me. I want this to be my safe space 😭😭😭
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Post by kanepilk on Apr 21, 2023 11:46:15 GMT -5
We got the point 3 weeks ago 😂 But maybe Mattel will make even more changes if they keep complaining Everyone who backs gets a $500 Mattel Creations voucher!
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Apr 21, 2023 12:05:11 GMT -5
Why isn't this board an echo chamber for things I want to hear?!
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