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Post by Jeremiah on Mar 30, 2023 10:21:04 GMT -5
So if this doesn't fund seems like we lose new parts Wcw logo belt New Hulk scan New big Scott Steiner arms meaning big poppa pump will.have inaccurate arms Torso choice Legs Crowd funders not only give us the stage but they allow New parts to better make figures. So I'm guessing any Scott's planned this year will be flashback with non freakzilla molds because only 2 guys had arms that jacked Steiner and Billy Graham. We won’t lose them, they’ll just be repurposed for other figures down the road. We just won’t ever get those specific figures. The sculpts, accessories, and body parts can still be used. Crowd funder are designed for them to get the money to get new parts Mattel won't pay for 1 billion Scott Steiner arms out of corporate funds if he's not gonna have but 1-3 figures. If the crowd ie us want exclusive parts then we need to pitch I. That's the reason. Behind these. Fans wanted Jabba barge hasboro ok but only if there's demand they wanted detail they wanted scale they agreed if it was funded by the people for the people. Crowd funders are a way for people to get stuff the higher ups said yeah not in our budget to tool that. |
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Post by Rocket_Fuel_Merchant on Mar 30, 2023 10:22:26 GMT -5
April 12th they will have a video about it but if it's not backed to 5k by the 7th Hogan is off the table Good bye wvw logo belt Wcw debut Hogan Mattel doesn't have to offer anything extra if this doesn't not get funded new parts don't get made stages won't be made and we will be left with cheap target Walmart versions and crying of people begging for large items that will likely fall on deaf ears as the thought will be there's no market for those items wrestling community is not large enough. Most of their sales come from parents buying 10-20 figures for their kid and those retro sub lines and casual collectors. You keep thinking they are at our mercy when Mattel has barbie and he man and other properties we don't control them we cooperate and work to a healthy mix not want you wanted or can't afford ok no problem. But sitting here trying to tell others yeah they will add or beg for us to fund this I don't think they will sure Steve might as he's a collector but the higher ups will just scoff ok back to making Roman's cenas hogan's mysterios maybe 1 new guy here and there. So no Mattel is not gonna beg you the stage is huge people wanted it they offered it so now we either go ok let's fund it or put our foot in our mouth and realize this could be the end of crowd funders for wwe products for awhile or ever. Look at hasboro once stuff failed they slowed down on anymore crowd funders long rant over. BRING ON REVEALS. Mattel already knows it can be successful, the New Gen Arena showed that. If this fails it's on the fact the figures are dookey and the the price point is too high for the current economic climate. Whole lot of people don't think the figures are dooky |
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Post by newgenandy on Mar 30, 2023 10:23:12 GMT -5
So if this doesn't fund seems like we lose new parts Wcw logo belt New Hulk scan New big Scott Steiner arms meaning big poppa pump will.have inaccurate arms Torso choice Legs Crowd funders not only give us the stage but they allow New parts to better make figures. So I'm guessing any Scott's planned this year will be flashback with non freakzilla molds because only 2 guys had arms that jacked Steiner and Billy Graham. We won’t lose them, they’ll just be repurposed for other figures down the road. We just won’t ever get those specific figures. The sculpts, accessories, and body parts can still be used. When asked about doink of the new gen was unsuccessful people asked since the proto is done will we likely get the figure snd he said no because the tooling isn’t done which is the most expensive part We might still get these characters but maybe more dumbed down using existing tooling etc |
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Post by Jeremiah on Mar 30, 2023 10:29:12 GMT -5
If people want to not do it I'm gonna just sit back and watch as they cry over his arms are not big enough he had a u shaped singlet cut. More painted biker shorts, that wreck it stage is too tiny another wwe world belt with no wcw logo can't we get a raw is war stage real scale, oh man that wcw ring with ue is awesome hopefully we get a entrance stage someday. Why wont Mattel do another crowd funder its been years, and can't we get a bigger cell the UEs don't fit well. and man only 8-12 Ultimates a year.
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Post by MKSavage on Mar 30, 2023 10:30:05 GMT -5
You're not wrong! I get why they do Hogan, Warrior or Mysterio! These names sell and should boost the project! Just think, that there could at least have been that 1 big one to boost the 9k or 11k. Steiner at 9k is a good choice I guess, I don't see Warrior taking it to 11k. Unfortunately, that is going to be the problem with most, if not all crowd funded items. There are so many collectors out there, that Mattel could never make everyone happy. If they had 5 completely different figures, you would still hear the complaints that the figures aren't the right choices. It's kind of a lose/lose situation for Mattel in that regard, but a win if the thing gets backed. Yeah, but Warrior is a big seller, and people have requested a WCW debut or duster and jeans look for a while now. So, I'm betting that is why they put Warrior there. I think only Steiner at the 11K mark, of the figures released with this set, would have been a better option - meaning more likely to get people to purchase to get it to 11K since this would be his first figure. |
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Post by bharrisfan on Mar 30, 2023 10:35:34 GMT -5
The tier unlock numbers are too high. Seems like Mattel overshot on this one sadly
Like in their minds it's a deal for people because MOTU funded a $550 Eternia playset
But the figures seem out of reach, and they are the easiest thing mattel can make.
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Post by Biff Slamkovich™ on Mar 30, 2023 10:37:19 GMT -5
The tier unlock numbers are too high. Seems like Mattel overshot on this one sadly Like in their minds it's a deal for people because MOTU funded a $550 Eternia playset But the figures seem out of reach, and they are the easiest thing mattel can make. I think they factor in how many units they need to make to start turning a profit. Could they still be inflating the numbers a bit? We have no idea and we never will. |
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Post by Jeremiah on Mar 30, 2023 10:39:20 GMT -5
Scott Steiner elite
With big e or ryback torso looking forward to that. ;/
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 30, 2023 10:40:10 GMT -5
We won’t lose them, they’ll just be repurposed for other figures down the road. We just won’t ever get those specific figures. The sculpts, accessories, and body parts can still be used. Crowd funder are designed for them to get the money to get new parts Mattel won't pay for 1 billion Scott Steiner arms out of corporate funds if he's not gonna have but 1-3 figures. If the crowd ie us want exclusive parts then we need to pitch I. That's the reason. Behind these. Fans wanted Jabba barge hasboro ok but only if there's demand they wanted detail they wanted scale they agreed if it was funded by the people for the people. Crowd funders are a way for people to get stuff the higher ups said yeah not in our budget to tool that. The crowdfund is mainly for new tooling for the big parts. That stage is what is requiring all of the upfront costs. Tooling for head sculpts and new body parts and accessories like belts have it’s own separate annual budget. They have permission to make a WCW belt. They’ll figure out another way to get it out if this fails. Scott in a singlet is gonna be made in UE form and probably can be used for Rick too. Probably Warrior too as he also had a couple deep cut ones. They’ll still make that torso. |
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Mar 30, 2023 10:41:27 GMT -5
Mattel already knows it can be successful, the New Gen Arena showed that. If this fails it's on the fact the figures are dookey and the the price point is too high for the current economic climate. Go check hasboro they had stuff start failing and now I'm not seeing any new crowd funders. Once a Crack in the hull shows the ship will sink. How many mo the have people begged pleaded for a Nitro or raw stage only for the option to come and no it's like we'll it's not what I wanted so screw this Mattel fix it next time. 🤔 I wanted a hell in the cell but most wanted a stage gotta have the stage ok so here's there stage let's get it and show them we're loyal not being stuck up little babies wanting everything done their own way. No Buff Bagwell sucks but he's not signed no hall or Nash probably saved for a 2 pack deal no other cruiserweight not every wrestler loved wwe and want nothing to do with them. We get who we can and hope for more we hope hhh mends fences we hope lawsuits end but the figures were bonus last time we got 3 UE a ring and a decent but tiny co.pared to this thing entrance piece. They already stayed these are 1 of a kind no to be reduplicated new parts so do t except Billy Graham or scotty to have jacked arms if new parts are not funded. And when a wcw ring comes out in the fall don't expect this stage to be offered again or a raw one next crowd funder. The raw stage by the way would likely not needed much to not be just produced as it didn't have near that many lights. I don't think you are grasping the actual issue. Asking people to spend 400 dollars on something they won't get for a year during a time where the value of the dollar is slipping further and further each day and it becomes harder and harder to make ends meet and by the time they actually get it we will probably be in a recession, is just not a recipe for success. The figures having issues is not the biggest problem this thing has, it's the timing of it and the price of it are. |
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Post by Wrestling Figure Database on Mar 30, 2023 10:43:14 GMT -5
I'm genuinely confused why people are down on the Warrior. His Nitro debut was a huge deal. I still have it recorded on VHS. His Halloween Havoc attire is probably my favorite look of his career but the match was awful. His debut on Nitro though, despite what the slander DVD said, was a time and place moment for fans, essentially 8 years in the making. And the duster was awesome, so maybe not seeing that is turning people off, but that's a Defining Moment for both Warrior and Nitro. IMO it's because of the 2019 Ultimate WCW Warrior. We all want to commemorate Warrior in WCW (or at least have it represented), but the run was so lackluster that we simply don't need two iterations of it. If this was a first appearance of WCW Warrior in the Ultimate line, we'd be over the moon, whether it was him in the Halloween Havoc attire or jeans. But it's the second AND now it's seemingly a step down (anything with jeans gives that perception IMO). Yeah, it's a cool figure, but I think it's a miss as a stretch goal that we're supposed to WANT to reach. |
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Post by Flair Forever on Mar 30, 2023 10:44:49 GMT -5
I'm genuinely confused why people are down on the Warrior. His Nitro debut was a huge deal. I still have it recorded on VHS. His Halloween Havoc attire is probably my favorite look of his career but the match was awful. His debut on Nitro though, despite what the slander DVD said, was a time and place moment for fans, essentially 8 years in the making. And the duster was awesome, so maybe not seeing that is turning people off, but that's a Defining Moment for both Warrior and Nitro. 100% agree, I think people are judging the figure w/out it's duster. To those of us who were WCW fans - that was such a memorable moment and this Warrior figure is a big deal. |
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Mar 30, 2023 10:45:01 GMT -5
Mattel already knows it can be successful, the New Gen Arena showed that. If this fails it's on the fact the figures are dookey and the the price point is too high for the current economic climate. Whole lot of people don't think the figures are dooky And a whole lot do, I've seen it everywhere, Hogan is a re-release with new accessories, the Rey isn't what people want, DDP isn't the gear people want, Steiner is the only one almost universally liked but even then there are people unhappy with how it is executed and a UE street gear Warrior for a WCW set is hilarious. |
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Post by Jeremiah on Mar 30, 2023 10:46:12 GMT -5
Go check hasboro they had stuff start failing and now I'm not seeing any new crowd funders. Once a Crack in the hull shows the ship will sink. How many mo the have people begged pleaded for a Nitro or raw stage only for the option to come and no it's like we'll it's not what I wanted so screw this Mattel fix it next time. 🤔 I wanted a hell in the cell but most wanted a stage gotta have the stage ok so here's there stage let's get it and show them we're loyal not being stuck up little babies wanting everything done their own way. No Buff Bagwell sucks but he's not signed no hall or Nash probably saved for a 2 pack deal no other cruiserweight not every wrestler loved wwe and want nothing to do with them. We get who we can and hope for more we hope hhh mends fences we hope lawsuits end but the figures were bonus last time we got 3 UE a ring and a decent but tiny co.pared to this thing entrance piece. They already stayed these are 1 of a kind no to be reduplicated new parts so do t except Billy Graham or scotty to have jacked arms if new parts are not funded. And when a wcw ring comes out in the fall don't expect this stage to be offered again or a raw one next crowd funder. The raw stage by the way would likely not needed much to not be just produced as it didn't have near that many lights. I don't think you are grasping the actual issue. Asking people to spend 400 dollars on something they won't get for a year during a time where the value of the dollar is slipping further and further each day and it becomes harder and harder to make ends meet and by the time they actually get it we will probably be in a recession, is just not a recipe for success. The figures having issues is not the biggest problem this thing has, it's the timing of it and the price of it. I'm not telling people who can't afford it to tough it out I'm stating that if you have funds or don't stop bashing it and encouraging people not too. You don't like it fine can't budget no problem but folks can but if all they hear is negative because it's not your cup of tea it's not mine either 100% but just stop trying to justify why you don't want it. I have stated my beliefs I think it's gonna start a downward slope in crowd funding if it fails but I'm hope I'm wrong but I watched hasboro become disconnected from their fans I watch quality go down and I watched requests get ignored. Just my opinion. |
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Post by newgenandy on Mar 30, 2023 10:48:01 GMT -5
Go check hasboro they had stuff start failing and now I'm not seeing any new crowd funders. Once a Crack in the hull shows the ship will sink. How many mo the have people begged pleaded for a Nitro or raw stage only for the option to come and no it's like we'll it's not what I wanted so screw this Mattel fix it next time. 🤔 I wanted a hell in the cell but most wanted a stage gotta have the stage ok so here's there stage let's get it and show them we're loyal not being stuck up little babies wanting everything done their own way. No Buff Bagwell sucks but he's not signed no hall or Nash probably saved for a 2 pack deal no other cruiserweight not every wrestler loved wwe and want nothing to do with them. We get who we can and hope for more we hope hhh mends fences we hope lawsuits end but the figures were bonus last time we got 3 UE a ring and a decent but tiny co.pared to this thing entrance piece. They already stayed these are 1 of a kind no to be reduplicated new parts so do t except Billy Graham or scotty to have jacked arms if new parts are not funded. And when a wcw ring comes out in the fall don't expect this stage to be offered again or a raw one next crowd funder. The raw stage by the way would likely not needed much to not be just produced as it didn't have near that many lights. I don't think you are grasping the actual issue. Asking people to spend 400 dollars on something they won't get for a year during a time where the value of the dollar is slipping further and further each day and it becomes harder and harder to make ends meet and by the time they actually get it we will probably be in a recession, is just not a recipe for success. The figures having issues is not the biggest problem this thing has, it's the timing of it and the price of it. I don’t like making assumptions but I also think it’s clear who does and doesn’t have families to support or have other priorities than JUST figures. Like when a certain someone who has a ‘toy room’ and a garage full of stuff says if this doesn’t succeed we (meaning the ‘figure community’) should stop collecting. Yet said person doesn’t have a family to support then it’s easy for them to say that Likewise, just because your not supporting it doesn’t mean you ‘can’t afford’ it but maybe you’d rather put money in a more grown up place, especially if you have a family and with all the uncertainty in the world etc |
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Mar 30, 2023 10:50:08 GMT -5
I don't think you are grasping the actual issue. Asking people to spend 400 dollars on something they won't get for a year during a time where the value of the dollar is slipping further and further each day and it becomes harder and harder to make ends meet and by the time they actually get it we will probably be in a recession, is just not a recipe for success. The figures having issues is not the biggest problem this thing has, it's the timing of it and the price of it. I'm not telling people who can't afford it to tough it out I'm stating that if you have funds or don't stop bashing it and encouraging people not too. You don't like it fine can't budget no problem but folks can but if all they hear is negative because it's not your cup of tea it's not mine either 100% but just stop trying to justify why you don't want it. I have stated my beliefs I think it's gonna start a downward slope in crowd funding if it fails but I'm hope I'm wrong but I watched hasboro become disconnected from their fans I watch quality go down and I watched requests get ignored. Just my opinion. So you want people to not talk bad about the set because you are scared people won't buy it if they see people giving their negative opinions...yeah that's not gonna happen. If what you want/support cannot stand up to criticism then that's on it not the people giving their thoughts. Bootlicking for corporations never makes any one more receptive to ideas. |
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Mar 30, 2023 10:52:08 GMT -5
Ooh, I really hope that this is going to become a thing, where every time Mattel parades out a crowdfunding project, one WF user takes it upon themselves to lead the charge and begin demanding that people back it and demanding that people with critiques or concerns keep them to themselves.  |
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Post by Jeremiah on Mar 30, 2023 10:55:24 GMT -5
I'm not telling people who can't afford it to tough it out I'm stating that if you have funds or don't stop bashing it and encouraging people not too. You don't like it fine can't budget no problem but folks can but if all they hear is negative because it's not your cup of tea it's not mine either 100% but just stop trying to justify why you don't want it. I have stated my beliefs I think it's gonna start a downward slope in crowd funding if it fails but I'm hope I'm wrong but I watched hasboro become disconnected from their fans I watch quality go down and I watched requests get ignored. Just my opinion. So you want people to not talk bad about the set because you are scared people won't buy it if they see people giving their negative opinions...yeah that's not gonna happen. If what you want/support cannot stand up to criticism then that's on it not the people giving their thoughts. Bootlicking for corporations never makes any one more receptive to ideas. Oh look it's my wfig stalker... No I said the positives Negatives It's huge I don't need a Warrior I wish the wcw us belt was newer style. Damn it's gonna take another year to get here. I could use that 400 on some other items but since I have payment options 100 won't break my bank. Why couldn't Rey have been his starcade look too bad Dean malenko is not with wwe anymore. Why wasn't ddp in his black wcw world Title look. But I'm not clapping on it and telling people it's all dorky don't waste money Mattel will learn they will do what I want next time. |
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Post by bharrisfan on Mar 30, 2023 10:55:56 GMT -5
I sold off my new gen sets, after i soured on Mattels skinny parts finally acter 10+ years
and zombie sailors retros are so much more fun with so much more personality and character accuracy
but i'm surprised mattel didn't toss in nitro ring parts somehow
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Mar 30, 2023 10:57:54 GMT -5
I don't think you are grasping the actual issue. Asking people to spend 400 dollars on something they won't get for a year during a time where the value of the dollar is slipping further and further each day and it becomes harder and harder to make ends meet and by the time they actually get it we will probably be in a recession, is just not a recipe for success. The figures having issues is not the biggest problem this thing has, it's the timing of it and the price of it. I don’t like making assumptions but I also think it’s clear who does and doesn’t have families to support or have other priorities than JUST figures. Like when a certain someone who has a ‘toy room’ and a garage full of stuff says if this doesn’t succeed we (meaning the ‘figure community’) should stop collecting. Yet said person doesn’t have a family to support then it’s easy for them to say that Likewise, just because your not supporting it doesn’t mean you ‘can’t afford’ it but maybe you’d rather put money in a more grown up place, especially if you have a family and with all the uncertainty in the world etc Just like the New Gen Arena, trying to guilt people in to buying it is only going to make the negative opinions louder and more steadfast. The set has glaring issues and ignoring them and telling people to not talk about it is not gonna result in the tone of conversation those people want it to. Personally I don't think the value is there for this set to warrant it's price especially with the way things are going economically. I'm not forcing that opinion on anyone, but telling me not to say it because it may hurt the chances of it being made doesn't make me wanna discuss the merits of it less. |
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