Biff Slamkovich™
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Post by Biff Slamkovich™ on Mar 30, 2023 11:37:00 GMT -5
I think they factor in how many units they need to make to start turning a profit. Could they still be inflating the numbers a bit? We have no idea and we never will. Yeah, this seems to be the piece people are missing. There are profit targets that are set, and they work backwards from there. When Steve says that there's no room for adding content, that's exactly what it means. Mattel isn't making this to fulfill our childhood dreams. They're making it to turn a profit. And if it can't hit the targets, then the big bosses would just as well it fail and move on to other projects. Steve has explained how and why they were able to add Macho last year. I have a feeling people are sitting out hoping Mattel will sweeten the pot and keep throwing in more content. Seems pretty foolish to me. Yeah that could be happening. People are sitting out thinking something will get announced, playing mental/verbal gymnastics trying to argue that Mattel will suddenly announce a surprise tier when Steve has already flat out said "We literally can't add anything more." I do anticipate the number of backers to go up over this weekend, but it will definitely be interesting to watch if 5K is even met. |
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Post by alkohal on Mar 30, 2023 11:37:43 GMT -5
It was 974 when I went to sleep last night and its now at 1069. So about 100 in the last 12 hrs. Gotta be doing about 400 a day right now to hit the Hogan goal. Watching the pace of this is gonna be interesting.
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Post by stc13 on Mar 30, 2023 11:44:12 GMT -5
Yeah, this seems to be the piece people are missing. There are profit targets that are set, and they work backwards from there. When Steve says that there's no room for adding content, that's exactly what it means. Mattel isn't making this to fulfill our childhood dreams. They're making it to turn a profit. And if it can't hit the targets, then the big bosses would just as well it fail and move on to other projects. Steve has explained how and why they were able to add Macho last year. I have a feeling people are sitting out hoping Mattel will sweeten the pot and keep throwing in more content. Seems pretty foolish to me. Yeah that could be happening. People are sitting out thinking something will get announced, playing mental/verbal gymnastics trying to argue that Mattel will suddenly announce a surprise tier when Steve has already flat out said "We literally can't add anything more." I do anticipate the number of backers to go up over this weekend, but it will definitely be interesting to watch if 5K is even met. I'd like to see higher numbers right now. But I do think we'll see growth over the weekend. WM reveals, panels, probably a lot of podcast appearances lined up for Steve and Rob, and a ton of foot traffic going through the WM Superstore should pop the numbers. I think the initial backing is the biggest climb. Once/if some of the first tiers get locked in, you'll see a surge of people who see more "value" and resellers jumping in once the package hits their target value. |
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Post by PVA on Mar 30, 2023 11:46:24 GMT -5
IMO it's because of the 2019 Ultimate WCW Warrior. We all want to commemorate Warrior in WCW (or at least have it represented), but the run was so lackluster that we simply don't need two iterations of it. If this was a first appearance of WCW Warrior in the Ultimate line, we'd be over the moon, whether it was him in the Halloween Havoc attire or jeans. But it's the second AND now it's seemingly a step down (anything with jeans gives that perception IMO). Yeah, it's a cool figure, but I think it's a miss as a stretch goal that we're supposed to WANT to reach. The Halloween Havoc Ultimate sells for $200 on eBay now. Also, Warrior was only in 3 matches in WCW, one on Nitro, and he wore a different attire every time. So none of the ring gear looks are more iconic to his WCW run than this one. His Nitro debut pulled a 6.4 rating and the story proceeded to pull the highest ratings in WCW history (the highest in wrestling history to that point) in the next two weeks. To each their own if you don't want it but it was a great pick for this set. Yeah, thank you for dropping knowledge on those confused about the warrior in jeans. Maybe if Mattel had the duster jacket displayed on it people would recognize this is from his wcw debut & it was a big deal. I think it looks cool & is a different look of Warrior they haven’t done. I sure hope it gets made. I also think warrior, despite his wcw run was short and less than great, was included because they could not do sting & warrior is a colorful replacement and a big name to add to it |
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Post by newgenandy on Mar 30, 2023 11:49:05 GMT -5
Yeah, this seems to be the piece people are missing. There are profit targets that are set, and they work backwards from there. When Steve says that there's no room for adding content, that's exactly what it means. Mattel isn't making this to fulfill our childhood dreams. They're making it to turn a profit. And if it can't hit the targets, then the big bosses would just as well it fail and move on to other projects. Steve has explained how and why they were able to add Macho last year. I have a feeling people are sitting out hoping Mattel will sweeten the pot and keep throwing in more content. Seems pretty foolish to me. Yeah that could be happening. People are sitting out thinking something will get announced, playing mental/verbal gymnastics trying to argue that Mattel will suddenly announce a surprise tier when Steve has already flat out said "We literally can't add anything more." I do anticipate the number of backers to go up over this weekend, but it will definitely be interesting to watch if 5K is even met. And if they give a surprise this time then they’ll need to next time snd the next etc I think macho was the exception to get the first one done. They’ve already announced 5 figures for this, there won’t be more It’d be interesting to see how people would’ve reacted if they announced 4 then dropped a surprise 5th |
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Post by Rocket_Fuel_Merchant on Mar 30, 2023 11:51:25 GMT -5
And a whole lot do, I've seen it everywhere, Hogan is a re-release with new accessories, the Rey isn't what people want, DDP isn't the gear people want, Steiner is the only one almost universally liked but even then there are people unhappy with how it is executed and a UE street gear Warrior for a WCW set is hilarious. 1. We've been told its possible that all of these figures may end up with pinless knees by the time it is manufactured. That is an upgrade all around instead of just re-releases. 2. I understand not wanting another generic red and yellow Hogan, but he fits with the Nitro theme, and if this thing doesnt get funded, id rather lose a red and yellow Hogan vs something more desireable. 3. Rey/DDP not being the version people want...you're never going to lock something like the jeans attire DDP behind a crowd funder...that is gonna be sold at retail to maximize sales. 4. Steiner complaints....see above. You'll get Big Poppa Pump and all other versions of Steiner at retail. You're never gonna drop a first time in the line ultimate Steiner in the most wanted gear as part of a crowdfund that may never get made... 5. crap, I want Warrior more than anything else IMO it's because of the 2019 Ultimate WCW Warrior. We all want to commemorate Warrior in WCW (or at least have it represented), but the run was so lackluster that we simply don't need two iterations of it. If this was a first appearance of WCW Warrior in the Ultimate line, we'd be over the moon, whether it was him in the Halloween Havoc attire or jeans. But it's the second AND now it's seemingly a step down (anything with jeans gives that perception IMO). Yeah, it's a cool figure, but I think it's a miss as a stretch goal that we're supposed to WANT to reach. The Halloween Havoc Ultimate sells for $200 on eBay now. Also, Warrior was only in 3 matches in WCW, one on Nitro, and he wore a different attire every time. So none of the ring gear looks are more iconic to his WCW run than this one. His Nitro debut pulled a 6.4 rating and the story proceeded to pull the highest ratings in WCW history (the highest in wrestling history to that point) in the next two weeks. To each their own if you don't want it but it was a great pick for this set. Man, there are some truth bombs here... - We know in hindsight that the run was certainly not the best, but at the time it was a massive moment. - The existing WCW Warrior is crazy sought after, and people love it...this figure looks equally as excellent. It is a shame that the soft goods were not ready to show...maybe it will be on display this week? - I was actually unaware that the ratings were that high for the Warrior run... |
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Post by Burger Lad on Mar 30, 2023 11:54:41 GMT -5
If this was £400 delivered including shipping and import duty I would back it and that’s still more than our US friends I would buy it.
And like I’ve said previously I don’t even collect Elites/Ultimates.
Surely these are “made in China” and can just ship to their European distribution centres.
Pretty sure the retros I have got via Creations has a Netherlands shipping label on. I don’t know…
Would commit if not so unfair on UK pricing.
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Post by jesusramiro93 on Mar 30, 2023 12:10:58 GMT -5
No more figures need to be added, just throw in the Ring Conversion kit to make it a Nitro ring and it will sell like crazy. Please Mattel don't make me spend $150 next month to get a new ring lol
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Post by danfdan on Mar 30, 2023 12:13:41 GMT -5
If this was £400 delivered including shipping and import duty I would back it and that’s still more than our US friends I would buy it. And like I’ve said previously I don’t even collect Elites/Ultimates. Surely these are “made in China” and can just ship to their European distribution centres. Pretty sure the retros I have got via Creations has a Netherlands shipping label on. I don’t know… Would commit if not so unfair on UK pricing. Agreed. Many, myself included have been saying this for days now to no avail Totally stalled now at just over 1,000 backers. I could see this at a push hitting the 5k, but not in the next week to get Hogan, and I think a lot of people would be disappointed with just the Rey figure. |
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Post by jesusramiro93 on Mar 30, 2023 12:16:42 GMT -5
And a whole lot do, I've seen it everywhere, Hogan is a re-release with new accessories, the Rey isn't what people want, DDP isn't the gear people want, Steiner is the only one almost universally liked but even then there are people unhappy with how it is executed and a UE street gear Warrior for a WCW set is hilarious. 1. We've been told its possible that all of these figures may end up with pinless knees by the time it is manufactured. That is an upgrade all around instead of just re-releases. 2. I understand not wanting another generic red and yellow Hogan, but he fits with the Nitro theme, and if this thing doesnt get funded, id rather lose a red and yellow Hogan vs something more desireable. 3. Rey/DDP not being the version people want... you're never going to lock something like the jeans attire DDP behind a crowd funder...that is gonna be sold at retail to maximize sales.4. Steiner complaints....see above. You'll get Big Poppa Pump and all other versions of Steiner at retail. You're never gonna drop a first time in the line ultimate Steiner in the most wanted gear as part of a crowdfund that may never get made... 5. crap, I want Warrior more than anything else Wouldn't a Crowdfunder type thing be perfect for this type of specific figure attires? Collectors want Jeans DDP, an 10-year old kid is barely gonna know DDP. IMO, Hogan and Warrior should've been done for the mainline as anchor's to another figure, but the crowdfund should be more to meet collector's demands that won't probably sell as much in the regular mainline. Another example of this would be Scott Hall in his Nitro debut gear, that sells to collectors, that isn't really an anchor for the mainline. |
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Mar 30, 2023 12:17:13 GMT -5
No more figures need to be added, just throw in the Ring Conversion kit to make it a Nitro ring and it will sell like crazy. Please Mattel don't make me spend $150 next month to get a new ring lol This is the baffling part to me. Why did they make a Raw ring and then release a WCW stage. They should have included a conversion kit somewhere in the backing of this. |
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Post by jokerjohn on Mar 30, 2023 12:18:39 GMT -5
If this was £400 delivered including shipping and import duty I would back it and that’s still more than our US friends I would buy it. And like I’ve said previously I don’t even collect Elites/Ultimates. Surely these are “made in China” and can just ship to their European distribution centres. Pretty sure the retros I have got via Creations has a Netherlands shipping label on. I don’t know… Would commit if not so unfair on UK pricing. Mattel has warehouses in Canada and Europe so maybe they should have found a way to ship them directly there instead of all to the US and then internationally. I don't know if something like that is possible but at least it's an idea. |
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Post by jesusramiro93 on Mar 30, 2023 12:22:20 GMT -5
No more figures need to be added, just throw in the Ring Conversion kit to make it a Nitro ring and it will sell like crazy. Please Mattel don't make me spend $150 next month to get a new ring lol This is the baffling part to me. Why did they make a Raw ring and then release a WCW stage. They should have included a conversion kit somewhere in the backing of this. Imagine if that had been the early backer reward instead of Hogan? Move Hogan to tier 1, Rey to 7, DDP/Steiner at 9, Warrior at 11k |
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Post by Biff Slamkovich™ on Mar 30, 2023 12:25:28 GMT -5
No more figures need to be added, just throw in the Ring Conversion kit to make it a Nitro ring and it will sell like crazy. Please Mattel don't make me spend $150 next month to get a new ring lol This is the baffling part to me. Why did they make a Raw ring and then release a WCW stage. They should have included a conversion kit somewhere in the backing of this. This honestly would be a great question to pose during the upcoming Q&A with Steve and Bill. With no additional pieces being added to this crowdfund, I really hope we aren't going to be sold a separate Nitro ring with an included exclusive UE figure. But knowing Mattel, that wouldn't surprise me. Gobbledy Gooker is being sold alongside an Undertaker figure that has been released what, 3 times now? |
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Post by Bpatrick on Mar 30, 2023 12:35:08 GMT -5
I’m very torn on this. I’ve never spent this much on a single toy but I get the cost. I would be much more comfortable with a guarantee of DDP and Steiner, as that is who I want. If I backed early and only got Hogan and Rey, it isn’t worth it because I have no idea where I would even be able to set this up at this point.
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Post by newgenandy on Mar 30, 2023 12:39:28 GMT -5
And a whole lot do, I've seen it everywhere, Hogan is a re-release with new accessories, the Rey isn't what people want, DDP isn't the gear people want, Steiner is the only one almost universally liked but even then there are people unhappy with how it is executed and a UE street gear Warrior for a WCW set is hilarious. 1. We've been told its possible that all of these figures may end up with pinless knees by the time it is manufactured. That is an upgrade all around instead of just re-releases. 2. I understand not wanting another generic red and yellow Hogan, but he fits with the Nitro theme, and if this thing doesnt get funded, id rather lose a red and yellow Hogan vs something more desireable. 3. Rey/DDP not being the version people want...you're never going to lock something like the jeans attire DDP behind a crowd funder...that is gonna be sold at retail to maximize sales. 4. Steiner complaints....see above. You'll get Big Poppa Pump and all other versions of Steiner at retail. You're never gonna drop a first time in the line ultimate Steiner in the most wanted gear as part of a crowdfund that may never get made... 5. crap, I want Warrior more than anything else The Halloween Havoc Ultimate sells for $200 on eBay now. Also, Warrior was only in 3 matches in WCW, one on Nitro, and he wore a different attire every time. So none of the ring gear looks are more iconic to his WCW run than this one. His Nitro debut pulled a 6.4 rating and the story proceeded to pull the highest ratings in WCW history (the highest in wrestling history to that point) in the next two weeks. To each their own if you don't want it but it was a great pick for this set. Man, there are some truth bombs here... - We know in hindsight that the run was certainly not the best, but at the time it was a massive moment. - The existing WCW Warrior is crazy sought after, and people love it...this figure looks equally as excellent. It is a shame that the soft goods were not ready to show...maybe it will be on display this week? - I was actually unaware that the ratings were that high for the Warrior run... The main event pulled a humongous 8.6 rating (15million viewers) with that said I love that warrior, it’s different and the best figure of the lot imo |
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Post by PVA on Mar 30, 2023 12:51:25 GMT -5
Did they go overboard with the tiers?
I know it’s gotta have X amount made to be profitable for Mattel but for hogan whether it hits 5k in the first week or 5k+ later on, makes no difference besides a motivator for people to back now.
But if 5k isn’t reached in the first week that will devalue the set for many who may have planned to back it eventually.
If You told me all the tiers would be guaranteed if backed by 11k I’d have my money down already.
Instead we play this game; I’m sure some people like it & it incentives people to buy multiples but it could backfire big time.
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Post by CMW Toys on Mar 30, 2023 12:52:55 GMT -5
Must be yeah, they posted the numbers in the FAQ page. Shipping surcharge is $40 CAD for Canada. Fair enough. But $400 US is not converted to $655 CAD, it's $542. So there's still the $113 discrepancy. Shipping is not duties and import taxes, which are the remaining numbers you didn't factor in. That's out of Mattel's control. If anyone is to blame, the government is to blame. I get that this thing is expensive but I don't understand why people continue to villify Mattel over taxes or charges that we as customers are legally required to pay upon importing items into our country. Some companies don't even calculate these for you at checkout. Would you rather be hit with a surprise customs bill from the courier and they hold your package until you pay up? Cause that's the other option here. Not moaning about the taxes. What you'll find people are moaning a about is rather than paying $400 rrp for the item we have to pay $520...then the taxes on top What you'll find is we want to pay the same RRP and we can handle our own taxes when they arrive in the country. Its 25% max 25% of $400 is $80. Big difference |
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Post by ajay182 on Mar 30, 2023 12:54:47 GMT -5
This is the baffling part to me. Why did they make a Raw ring and then release a WCW stage. They should have included a conversion kit somewhere in the backing of this. This honestly would be a great question to pose during the upcoming Q&A with Steve and Bill. With no additional pieces being added to this crowdfund, I really hope we aren't going to be sold a separate Nitro ring with an included exclusive UE figure. But knowing Mattel, that wouldn't surprise me. Gobbledy Gooker is being sold alongside an Undertaker figure that has been released what, 3 times now? We are absolutely going to be sold a separate ring. My guess is it'll come with two very enticing figures to convince people to buy another ring (Outsiders would be my guess). That'll be the model for these crowdfunds: high-value niche item, followed by slightly more retail-friendly ring/supporting item, followed by retail-friendly figures. |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 30, 2023 13:02:34 GMT -5
Yeah a Nitro Ring bundled with an UE Macho Man is pretty much a given sometime within the next year.
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