4JackieChan
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Post by 4JackieChan on Apr 6, 2023 17:56:27 GMT -5
Does this bother anyone else? Mattel did such an amazon job on creating figures that were in scale for years... Then ultimate's come out and they just F it. articulation is more important than scale.
AJ styles has a bigger body than Bradshaw/JBL... He is thicker than Stone Cold Steve Austin ultimate. Jeff Hardy first ultimate torso is bigger/thicker than Elite Hollywood Hogan.. Shawn Michaels has a bigger/thicker torso than Undertaker Elites..
The scale of these are awful..
Not only that some of these body parts on the ultimate's looks really strange. I will give them credit they are fixing/improving them. but some of these bodies just look awful. Especially the jacked body type used on roman/goldbeg/rock/cena and NOW EDDIE GUERRERO! The torso of these bodies just look awful compared to the elites and they are def not in scale by any means... Not only that to top part of the torso are extremely wide and they get really narrow with a smaller waist... The arms on these torso just looks awkward. Considering we have Hasbro who has PERFECTED articulation with silhouette and shape. Feels a bit lazy considering how detail oriented mattel have been. I would expect this from Jakks or Jazware, but not from Mattel..
Just wanted to rant because I hope they would fix these issues...
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Apr 6, 2023 18:03:58 GMT -5
It’s a completely different line. There’s gonna be some differences in scaling. Basics aren’t in scale with elites either.
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Post by stc13 on Apr 6, 2023 18:09:40 GMT -5
The idea that any aspect of the line is perfectly in scale has been out the window for years. Generally speaking, the big guys are big and the small guys are small. But there's variance within the line and that's just something we are going to have to deal with.
I don't love the Ultimate torsos, and haven't from the start. They really need a smaller torso. But if they didn't sculpt it for Styles or Hardy, I don't think we'll see one any time soon. I really only buy UEs if I plan on displaying the figure with the entrance gear on. The figures overall have been great, but there's absolutely room for improvement.
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Post by CM Tusk on Apr 6, 2023 18:16:41 GMT -5
Doesn’t bother me
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Post by PJ on Apr 6, 2023 18:21:37 GMT -5
Hell, off the top of my head these wrestlers Elite figures are taller than their basics.
Sting (all his basics besides TRU Network Spotlight and WalMart Fan Central? 2-Pack with Undertaker are shorter)
Hitman (since b14 have been taller than his basic)
Orton (since Basic’s changed articulation)
McIntyre (same as Orton)
Anvil
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captncharisma19
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Post by captncharisma19 on Apr 6, 2023 18:28:57 GMT -5
Do I like it? No. Will I live with it? Apparently. Should we want them to be closer to scale? I think so.
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Post by cldbld on Apr 6, 2023 18:30:46 GMT -5
Still better than jakks.
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Post by LA Times on Apr 6, 2023 18:35:05 GMT -5
Hell, off the top of my head these wrestlers Elite figures are taller than their basics. Sting (all his basics besides TRU Network Spotlight and WalMart Fan Central? 2-Pack with Undertaker are shorter) Hitman (since b14 have been taller than his basic) Orton (since Basic’s changed articulation) McIntyre (same as Orton) Anvil There was also an awful Honky Tonk Man Basic that came with the Ultimate Warrior and which has got to be shorter than any of his Elites  |
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Papi Joker
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Post by Papi Joker on Apr 6, 2023 18:45:05 GMT -5
It is straight up silly to compare basics with UE’s.
Yes the scale is wrong and the reason why I don’t do UE’s really.
They basically are Deluxe Aggression.
(I am sure people were defending them back then and that’s ok)
Another issue is the skin painted on the torso.
But the point of the OP is the main thing - they are not in scale within their own line - which in turn is supposed to be the superior line.
Scale is what made us all jump over to Mattel, but the simps nowadays are so in deep they do not even realise, I also think the MOC collectors don’t even care which is another reason since they end up with the highest valued piece in the long run.
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Apr 6, 2023 18:46:49 GMT -5
It depends. However, I think the conversion is all over the place. Scott Hall and DDP have a ripped torso while their UE share the same torsos as AJ and Jeff Hardy. It looks so odd. They need to create more torsos for the UE.
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Post by PJ on Apr 6, 2023 18:52:51 GMT -5
Hell, off the top of my head these wrestlers Elite figures are taller than their basics. Sting (all his basics besides TRU Network Spotlight and WalMart Fan Central? 2-Pack with Undertaker are shorter) Hitman (since b14 have been taller than his basic) Orton (since Basic’s changed articulation) McIntyre (same as Orton) Anvil There was also an awful Honky Tonk Man Basic that came with the Ultimate Warrior and which has got to be shorter than any of his Elites I forgot about that one. And that Warrior was actually taller than his elites. lol |
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Post by Mongo Bears on Apr 6, 2023 18:53:21 GMT -5
Hell, off the top of my head these wrestlers Elite figures are taller than their basics. Sting (all his basics besides TRU Network Spotlight and WalMart Fan Central? 2-Pack with Undertaker are shorter) Hitman (since b14 have been taller than his basic) Orton (since Basic’s changed articulation) McIntyre (same as Orton) Anvil There was also an awful Honky Tonk Man Basic that came with the Ultimate Warrior and which has got to be shorter than any of his Elites Since this came out it has made me hate warrior much more |
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Apr 6, 2023 19:03:19 GMT -5
It’s a completely different line. There’s gonna be some differences in scaling. Basics aren’t in scale with elites either. It’s not a completely different line they share the same parts outside of the torso |
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Post by screech on Apr 6, 2023 19:08:57 GMT -5
guy gives legitimate criticism of mattel's premium line
"but the basic figures..."
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Post by aggressiveperfector on Apr 6, 2023 19:15:07 GMT -5
For the most part they aren’t too bad and a lot are in scale, but yeah there are a few head scratchers
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Post by Mr. #1derful 🇵🇸 on Apr 6, 2023 19:21:57 GMT -5
AJ styles has a bigger body than Bradshaw/JBL... He is thicker than Stone Cold Steve Austin ultimate. Jeff Hardy first ultimate torso is bigger/thicker than Elite Hollywood Hogan.. Shawn Michaels has a bigger/thicker torso than Undertaker Elites.. To be fair, JBL, Hogan and Taker Elites torsos are/can be construed as undersized. Taker & Hogan still have bigger waists. They did make a smaller torso for '03 Hardy and AJ. Shame they used it on Razor, but it would look would wonderful for future HBKs.Especially the jacked body type used on roman/goldbeg/rock/cena and NOW EDDIE GUERRERO! The UE He-Man torso looks ridiculous even on Rock & Cena, but it's the equivalent of the torso we've seen on Elites and basics. (Basic Eddies have had that body forever.) Heavyweight UEs do need more variety of parts. Considering we have Hasbro who has PERFECTED articulation with silhouette and shape. I wouldn't say they've perfected articulation. Hell, I'd argue they'd can't make up their minds with what articulation scheme they're going to run with. They can be all over the place. |
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Post by Professor Sparlin on Apr 6, 2023 19:30:28 GMT -5
I would like to see and Ultimate Warrior the size of Omos
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Post by nWp: Trios Champion on Apr 6, 2023 19:59:59 GMT -5
They’re actually probably more in scale since the torsos seem to be a smidge taller. Half of Mattel figures are 2/3 legs
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Apocalypse
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Post by Apocalypse on Apr 6, 2023 20:08:57 GMT -5
Some of the u.e torsos are larger than they should be , i would agree . Amazon hbks seems a little wide. But it doesnt bother me a lot.
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Post by The Madness on Apr 6, 2023 20:12:56 GMT -5
Personally, I could not care any less. As long as Andre’s bigger than guys like Savage, and guys like Rey are little, that’s good enough for me. Unless they’re quite noticeably out of scale, I would have to look it up to tell you if Savage was taller than Warrior, or if the Rock is taller than Austin.
When you grew up on Hasbros and LJNs, having any differences in scale whatsoever still seems like some futuristic novelty.
IMO, it bugs me more that everyone is portrayed as way, way more ripped than they actually were.
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