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Post by Edge618 on Sept 8, 2007 7:43:54 GMT -5
You are joking, right? Austin, Hogan, Ric Flair, and The Rock all made huge marks on the wrestling business for the positive, above and beyond anyone else really. And given Rock's limited time in the ring, for him to be seen as that important is truly an accomplishment. But, right under those four you've got Taker, HBK, HHH, Foley, Sting, Goldberg, Warrior, and Kurt Angle.... Goldberg doesn't dserve to be in the same sentence as ANY if this men. Yes, yes he does. He made a HUGE impact on WCW and the wrestling world, like him or not. And i would rank Flair up there in the top 3 of the greatest of all time. Some people just dont appreciate him as much because he's still around now, its not rare to see Flair on TV. Sone COld makes a surprise appearance and people go nut, im sure if Flair worked a limited schedule like Austin, the people would be just as excited
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Post by Edge618 on Sept 8, 2007 7:47:36 GMT -5
If Flair does wind up in TNA, all I can say is this: It's a shame it didn't happen a year or so ago. It would've been great for Ric to have won the NWA Title one last time . . . . But then again . . . . he could still take the NWA strap one last time. If things get bad enough for him, he might go the indy route and then take it off of that over-rated Danielson. I dont think he'll go to TNA, he's said a lot of bad things in his book about Russo, and how he hated working w/ him. Maybe WWE will hold off plans for him until about Royal Rumble, then have him return for a WM feud. Him vs Orton.
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Post by Blackbird 13 on Sept 8, 2007 13:19:27 GMT -5
You are joking, right? Austin, Hogan, Ric Flair, and The Rock all made huge marks on the wrestling business for the positive, above and beyond anyone else really. And given Rock's limited time in the ring, for him to be seen as that important is truly an accomplishment. But, right under those four you've got Taker, HBK, HHH, Foley, Sting, Goldberg, Warrior, and Kurt Angle.... Nah if you're gonna talk most recognizable names in wrestling it's Hogan, Austin, and The Rock. Everyone knows who they are. You could probably make a case for Goldberg, too. As far as Flair, Taker, Michaels, HHH, Foley, Sting, Angle, Warrior...no, just no. No one really knows who the hell they are outside of wrestling fans and maybe the families of wrestling fans. Hogan, Austin, and The Rock are all superstars... but if you don't think Ric Flair has name recognition, you don't spend much time in the Southern States. And I see you're from Florida, but still. It seems damn near unarguable that Hogan, Austin, Rock, and Flair are the top four in terms of overall name value, overness, fan awareness, and status in wrestling. Goldberg, oddly enough, would probably be the one right beneath them.. but non-fans, if asked to name ten or so wrestlers, will come up with HHH, Angle, Sting, Warrior, Foley, HBK, and Undertaker consistantly. And on top of that, no one's even argued that those would be the top "known" wrestlers... and WWE's about to let one of them walk away, after treating him like a jobber for years. Blah to that...
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Post by Sandy on Sept 8, 2007 14:07:23 GMT -5
The guy can hardly move anymore.
I mean at least Hogan attempts to stay in shape and somewhat resembles how he looked in the 90's. But Flair LOOKS like an old man, it is really hard to try and take him serious. That is why he has become a joke. He could work a limited schedule like Austin and it wouldn't make a difference because people just do not care anymore. Flair is doing the right thing, he needs to hang up the boots and just never even think about putting them on again.
The only reason he gets any crowd reaction whatsoever is because of his stupid "WOOOOOOOO" chant.
I never cared about Ric Flair. I know about his "legendary" (and I say that term very loosely) battles with Terry Funk and Ricky The Dragon Steamboat and I could careless.
I'm glad he is gone.
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Post by Blackbird 13 on Sept 8, 2007 15:44:06 GMT -5
The guy can hardly move anymore. I mean at least Hogan attempts to stay in shape and somewhat resembles how he looked in the 90's. But Flair LOOKS like an old man, it is really hard to try and take him serious. That is why he has become a joke. He could work a limited schedule like Austin and it wouldn't make a difference because people just do not care anymore. Flair is doing the right thing, he needs to hang up the boots and just never even think about putting them on again. The only reason he gets any crowd reaction whatsoever is because of his stupid "WOOOOOOOO" chant. I never cared about Ric Flair. I know about his "legendary" (and I say that term very loosely) battles with Terry Funk and Ricky The Dragon Steamboat and I could careless. I'm glad he is gone. Yeah.. okay.. people don't care, hence why he gets such a great reaction.. why a majority of the replies are sad to see him leave WWE... why some people have said they'd start watching another promotion simply if Flair were in it... And who gives a piss what Flair looks like?! Good lord.. it's people like that who cause the women's division to consist of models and bimbos instead of, y'know.. wrestlers...
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Post by Sandy on Sept 8, 2007 15:53:57 GMT -5
The guy can hardly move anymore. I mean at least Hogan attempts to stay in shape and somewhat resembles how he looked in the 90's. But Flair LOOKS like an old man, it is really hard to try and take him serious. That is why he has become a joke. He could work a limited schedule like Austin and it wouldn't make a difference because people just do not care anymore. Flair is doing the right thing, he needs to hang up the boots and just never even think about putting them on again. The only reason he gets any crowd reaction whatsoever is because of his stupid "WOOOOOOOO" chant. I never cared about Ric Flair. I know about his "legendary" (and I say that term very loosely) battles with Terry Funk and Ricky The Dragon Steamboat and I could careless. I'm glad he is gone. Yeah.. okay.. people don't care, hence why he gets such a great reaction.. why a majority of the replies are sad to see him leave WWE... why some people have said they'd start watching another promotion simply if Flair were in it... And who gives a piss what Flair looks like?! Good lord.. it's people like that who cause the women's division to consist of models and bimbos instead of, y'know.. wrestlers... Yeah because Flair is still a wrestler right? Falling in an overdramatic fashion from one punch is wrestling? When someone backbody drops him, how he switches from his back to his side, thats wrestling right? When being irish whipped in the corner how he flips over the ring post and walks along the ring apron, thats wrestling right? The guy is a joke. A lot of the posts are saying they are glad he is gone and then quickly being bombarded with replies stating why "Flair iz en deh top 3 OMFGZZZZ!!!" or insulting the person. When was the last entertaining match, that was an actual wrestling match that he has had?
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Post by Chicago on Sept 8, 2007 16:01:55 GMT -5
Yeah.. okay.. people don't care, hence why he gets such a great reaction.. why a majority of the replies are sad to see him leave WWE... why some people have said they'd start watching another promotion simply if Flair were in it... And who gives a piss what Flair looks like?! Good lord.. it's people like that who cause the women's division to consist of models and bimbos instead of, y'know.. wrestlers... Yeah because Flair is still a wrestler right? Falling in an overdramatic fashion from one punch is wrestling? When someone backbody drops him, how he switches from his back to his side, thats wrestling right?When being irish whipped in the corner how he flips over the ring post and walks along the ring apron, thats wrestling right? The guy is a joke. A lot of the posts are saying they are glad he is gone and then quickly being bombarded with replies stating why "Flair iz en deh top 3 OMFGZZZZ!!!" or insulting the person. When was the last entertaining match, that was an actual wrestling match that he has had? He ing broke his back in a plane crash and has to land on his side because of it. Flair may not be the quickest, most agile guy to step into the ring today, but he's still more entertaining and able to work a wrestling match better than any of these young guys everyone seems to go nuts over.
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Post by Sandy on Sept 8, 2007 16:41:21 GMT -5
Yeah because Flair is still a wrestler right? Falling in an overdramatic fashion from one punch is wrestling? When someone backbody drops him, how he switches from his back to his side, thats wrestling right?When being irish whipped in the corner how he flips over the ring post and walks along the ring apron, thats wrestling right? The guy is a joke. A lot of the posts are saying they are glad he is gone and then quickly being bombarded with replies stating why "Flair iz en deh top 3 OMFGZZZZ!!!" or insulting the person. When was the last entertaining match, that was an actual wrestling match that he has had? He ing broke his back in a plane crash and has to land on his side because of it. Flair may not be the quickest, most agile guy to step into the ring today, but he's still more entertaining and able to work a wrestling match better than any of these young guys everyone seems to go nuts over. Ok you guys keep saying he is so entertaining please show me one entertaining match in the last 5 years where he didn't look like a complete f***ing joke? One match where he didn't flip over the ring post and walk along the ring apron..or one match where he didn't fall down from one punch in an overdramatic fashion.. please, I am begging to see one match like that from Flair. Post the Youtube link.
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Post by Chicago on Sept 8, 2007 17:22:01 GMT -5
That's because it's his trademark.
Obviously you haven't been watching wrestling very long or you would know that guys have trademark moves and mannerisms that they are known for. Take Shawn Michaels, for instance; when Shawn is thrown into the turnbuckles, he flips over and walks the apron before being clotheslined/dropkicked off/etc.
If it's alright for HBK to do it (who, like Hunter, has fashioned many of his trademarks after Flair), then why is it suddenly an outrage if Flair incorporates comedic or outlandish spots into his matches?
As for proof of Flair's matches in the last five years, sure, many have been stale and I'll admit to that, but what about his ladder match with Edge? That was a pretty good match for his limited, toned-down style in recent years.
Edit: While Michaels and Triple H don't always fully walk the apron after flipping over, they have on select occasions.
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Post by Sandy on Sept 8, 2007 18:03:21 GMT -5
I've been watching wrestling since I was 3. I'm 21 now.
When I was old enough to realize there was a world outside of the WWF I quickly went out and try to study up on all other organizations by watching old tapes.
Yes, HBK does the walking the ring apron thing on selected occasions. But at least he is really thrown into the corner. When Flair does it, it is so slow-paced and just looks ridiculous. Triple H used to do the take a punch and do an exaggerated fall, but he hasn't done it in awhile. Because he wants people to take him seriously.
You can't be taken seriously when you act like a fool. Maybe if Flair cut half of those damn "WOOOOO's" and his little strut and actually wrestled WWE would give him a decent push.
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Post by Mark on Sept 8, 2007 18:21:29 GMT -5
Non wrestling fans would mostly like say Hogan, Austin, Rock and if this was a few years back Goldberg
Ask any non fan who Flair is and they wouldnt have a clue. You can dispute it but it's common sense
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Post by Edge618 on Sept 8, 2007 23:23:28 GMT -5
He ing broke his back in a plane crash and has to land on his side because of it. Flair may not be the quickest, most agile guy to step into the ring today, but he's still more entertaining and able to work a wrestling match better than any of these young guys everyone seems to go nuts over. Ok you guys keep saying he is so entertaining please show me one entertaining match in the last 5 years where he didn't look like a complete f***ing joke? One match where he didn't flip over the ring post and walk along the ring apron..or one match where he didn't fall down from one punch in an overdramatic fashion.. please, I am begging to see one match like that from Flair. Post the Youtube link. Plese watch Flair vs Michaels at Bad Blood '03, Flair vs HHH at Summerslam '05, or Flair vs Angle.
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Post by opportunist on Sept 9, 2007 0:19:33 GMT -5
I've been watching wrestling since I was 3. I'm 21 now. When I was old enough to realize there was a world outside of the WWF I quickly went out and try to study up on all other organizations by watching old tapes. Yes, HBK does the walking the ring apron thing on selected occasions. But at least he is really thrown into the corner. When Flair does it, it is so slow-paced and just looks ridiculous. Triple H used to do the take a punch and do an exaggerated fall, but he hasn't done it in awhile. Because he wants people to take him seriously. You can't be taken seriously when you act like a fool. Maybe if Flair cut half of those damn "WOOOOO's" and his little strut and actually wrestled WWE would give him a decent push. Those might just be the most stupid comments I've ever read on this board. Seriously. If you actually think that . . . . and you apparently do . . . then you're a straight up idiot. Ric Flair has done more for wrestling than any other contemporary wrestler, bar none. Ric is, was, and will always be one of the best workers the business has ever seen.
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Post by KRAYZIE BONE on Sept 9, 2007 4:31:08 GMT -5
flair has been a JOKE for years. he LOOKS like a joke. his matches are jokes also. anyone who tries to deny that is a fool. the man can not do what he did once upon a time. its sad to see him wrestle. let it go ric.
Just because you were once great and are "legendary" doesnt mean you should continue years and years after your past your prime. he does NOT get a pass.
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Post by opportunist on Sept 9, 2007 5:14:57 GMT -5
flair has been a JOKE for years. he LOOKS like a joke. his matches are jokes also. anyone who tries to deny that is a fool. the man can not do what he did once upon a time. its sad to see him wrestle. let it go ric. Just because you were once great and are "legendary" doesnt mean you should continue years and years after your past your prime. he does NOT get a pass. And you don't get a pass for labeling anyone who doesn't think Flair is a joke as a "fool" . . . You are perfectly within your rights to dislike Ric, or to want to see him retire. You can't, however, label those of us who still enjoy the man. For that, you're the fool.
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Post by keytone003 on Sept 9, 2007 9:30:33 GMT -5
Ric Flair is without a doubt the greatest overall heel (I'm talking 80's thru 90's) in the history of the biz. Piper was gold on the mic, but his matches lacked. Flair has wrestled them all - Funk, Race, Rhodes, Brody, Inoki, Luger, Sting, Road Warriors, Muta, Steamboat, Hogan, Savage, Piper, Hart, etc. With that being said, I think Flair can thank his final WCW run for the "treatment" he has received in his latest WWE run. Bischoff, nWo, and Russo ruined Flair's starpower. He only got "over" to begin with in the WWE thanks to a huge angle with Vinnie Mac. I am still not sure why he wasn't booked as the figure head for the WCW invasion. Look at WCW around 1998. Flair had no stroke left. Savage, Piper, Hart, and Hogan were still being treated with respect. Flair was being buried in horrible storylines. So basically, my take on this is that the WWE has done wonders to "repair" Flair's legacy with DVDs and interesting angles. I don't blame the WWE for where Flair is in his career. I don't blame Flair either. I just thank no matter how hard they tried they couldn't "repair" Flair's legacy. However, he has become a joke.
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Post by VK on Sept 9, 2007 9:47:45 GMT -5
Nah if you're gonna talk most recognizable names in wrestling it's Hogan, Austin, and The Rock. Everyone knows who they are. You could probably make a case for Goldberg, too. As far as Flair, Taker, Michaels, HHH, Foley, Sting, Angle, Warrior...no, just no. No one really knows who the hell they are outside of wrestling fans and maybe the families of wrestling fans. Hogan, Austin, and The Rock are all superstars... but if you don't think Ric Flair has name recognition, you don't spend much time in the Southern States. And I see you're from Florida, but still. It seems damn near unarguable that Hogan, Austin, Rock, and Flair are the top four in terms of overall name value, overness, fan awareness, and status in wrestling. Goldberg, oddly enough, would probably be the one right beneath them.. but non-fans, if asked to name ten or so wrestlers, will come up with HHH, Angle, Sting, Warrior, Foley, HBK, and Undertaker consistantly. And on top of that, no one's even argued that those would be the top "known" wrestlers... and WWE's about to let one of them walk away, after treating him like a jobber for years. Blah to that... Yes I live in Florida and I also lived in the Carolinas for about 13 years. No one knows who Flair is except for a select few. To say he has as much name recognition as Hogan is just silly.
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Post by Adam3s - V1 on Sept 9, 2007 9:55:59 GMT -5
Non wrestling fans would mostly like say Hogan, Austin, Rock and if this was a few years back Goldberg Ask any non fan who Flair is and they wouldnt have a clue. You can dispute it but it's common sense I'm also sure cases for Bret and El Santo in their own countries could be made. Also I know some people who know who Flair is that don't watch wrestling (Only because of the Wooooo's however.) Flair is an all time great and I'd say 2nd biggest in American wrestling history, from what I have read it seems only him and Andre could commonly sell out arenas before Hogan came about. I still think Flair should retire but I'd like to see him last 'til Wrestlemania 24.
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Post by google on Sept 9, 2007 10:16:07 GMT -5
I've been watching wrestling since I was 3. I'm 21 now. When I was old enough to realize there was a world outside of the WWF I quickly went out and try to study up on all other organizations by watching old tapes. Yes, HBK does the walking the ring apron thing on selected occasions. But at least he is really thrown into the corner. When Flair does it, it is so slow-paced and just looks ridiculous. Triple H used to do the take a punch and do an exaggerated fall, but he hasn't done it in awhile. Because he wants people to take him seriously. You can't be taken seriously when you act like a fool. Maybe if Flair cut half of those damn "WOOOOO's" and his little strut and actually wrestled WWE would give him a decent push. Those might just be the most stupid comments I've ever read on this board. Seriously. If you actually think that . . . . and you apparently do . . . then you're a straight up idiot. Ric Flair has done more for wrestling than any other contemporary wrestler, bar none. Ric is, was, and will always be one of the best workers the business has ever seen. Hello? Hulk Hogan ring a bell? No one has done more for the biz than the Hulkster. I mean that is common sense. Take the formation of the nWo. A fan jumped the barrier for god sakes! No matter how egomanical Hogan is, when ever Hogan says he made wrestling what it is today, maybe not all on his own, it was mainly him and the attitude era.
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Post by Adam3s - V1 on Sept 9, 2007 10:19:33 GMT -5
I'd say Vince made wrestling what it is, just Hogan was the star that helped him take it thier. I'll give Hogan the NWO but I think Vince gets Wrestlemania, Hulkamania and the Attitude era.
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