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Post by T R W on Jul 20, 2006 8:38:18 GMT -5
Bumping this since Civil War 3 came out today. Without giving any spoilers away, I have to say this series continues to improve. Last issue had a shocker on the last page, and so does this one. Yeah, I am quite interested to see where this is going. I didn't expect it, and wonder if it is actually as it seems. If so, that surprises me a lot, for the nature of that character.
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Post by kareem on Jul 20, 2006 11:04:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I think actually expected "him" to join the other side. Of course, when you heard the SHIELD agents use his codename, you knew who was coming. I think there's more to this though. And I think Spider-Man might be a mole, I'm not sure.
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Post by T R W on Jul 20, 2006 11:06:20 GMT -5
Yeah, it's really hard to say. I think overall, the government is going to end up pulling the rug out from under Spidey and Iron Man, and eventually re-unite all of the heroes, so to speak. But I am interested to see exactly what "he" is going to do, or hell, if it really even IS him. Honestly, I don't exactly understand where he has been, and why. So if you want to PM me and catch me up on that, that would be neat.
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Post by kareem on Jul 20, 2006 11:18:57 GMT -5
Sent you a PM. One scene that stood out, was between Reed Richards and Black Panther. Something is up with Mr. Fantastic, and the fact that Panther had to tell him to check on his wife, suggests there's conflict between the two of them.
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Post by T R W on Jul 20, 2006 11:59:17 GMT -5
Yeah, Sue is going to join CAP I think. And perhaps Johnny Storm too. A nice fight between he and THing would be good.
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Post by cosmicspidey on Jul 20, 2006 15:58:05 GMT -5
I was very surprised to see Thing fighting alongside the pro-reg heroes. I inferred from the last issue of FF that he was going to be in Switzerland with the X-Men.
Two things really irked me about this issue: Spidey seemed out of character. He certainly wouldn't be on the front line with such heavy hitters behind him, and he very certainly wouldn't be giving instructions to the guys in the choppers. Also, the Daredevil here is most certainly Matt Murdock (unless he's a shape-shifter, I guess), which means it doesn't jive with what's going on in Daredevil. That irks me because DD is very important to this story so his title should reflect that, and it doesn't. The X-Men have an excuse to not have they're titles tie-in, becuase they aren't major players this time as seen in Civil War #3. Hell, with even The Eternals mentioning the issues surrounding Civil War, it seem ludicrous that Matt Murdock can be so essential to CW while completely ignoring it in his own book.
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Post by J Sylar on Jul 21, 2006 1:26:22 GMT -5
I'm also a bit confused as to where DD's book is in relation to CW. Before or after? Because wasnt it implied in #1 that Murdock was still in jail? Then again, Punisher is out by the time War Journal comes out, so that kinda means they arent happening simultaneously. I was also a bit puzzeled as to WHY the pro-reg guys would let Iron Man pummel Cap like that. And to see "Mr. Big Reveal" go against them also rings false unless he's ben lied to. All Millar has done is make me hate anyone on the pro-reg side (I thought we'd get to hear both sides points...guess not). I still think Stark is somebody's puppet, though. He was out to kill Cap, and that isnt in character.
I love the exchange between Stark and Emma. I don't like White Queen, but her attitude was exactly what Stark needed to get. "where were you when OUR babies were crying?"....ooo, chilling.
And if that IS who was shown and he IS on that side, I hope somebody delivers him a royal asskicking.
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Post by wrestleholic08 on Jul 24, 2006 0:01:22 GMT -5
Nice issue, just finished it. I too think something will go down with the FF and we'll see a split. And more and more, I'm beginning to hate the pro-registration heroes.
Best line of issue #3-
"Is Mary Jane happy about the Sandman having her zip code now?"- Captain America to Spider-Man
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Post by Crimson Arrow on Jul 26, 2006 3:55:16 GMT -5
I'm also a bit confused as to where DD's book is in relation to CW. Before or after? Because wasnt it implied in #1 that Murdock was still in jail? Then again, Punisher is out by the time War Journal comes out, so that kinda means they arent happening simultaneously. I was also a bit puzzeled as to WHY the pro-reg guys would let Iron Man pummel Cap like that. And to see "Mr. Big Reveal" go against them also rings false unless he's ben lied to. All Millar has done is make me hate anyone on the pro-reg side (I thought we'd get to hear both sides points...guess not). I still think Stark is somebody's puppet, though. He was out to kill Cap, and that isnt in character. I love the exchange between Stark and Emma. I don't like White Queen, but her attitude was exactly what Stark needed to get. "where were you when OUR babies were crying?"....ooo, chilling. And if that IS who was shown and he IS on that side, I hope somebody delivers him a royal asskicking. Devil in Cell Block D should be over by the time Punishers new title starts. I'm thinking with all the hints laid down, especillaly in Cable and Deadpool #30 that its another hero pretending to be Matt to try and get him off. That hero seems to be Iron Fist
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Post by greensborohill on Jul 26, 2006 7:18:59 GMT -5
Clint Barton
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Post by J Sylar on Jul 26, 2006 8:24:49 GMT -5
which it better be! That said, if "Devil" happend before CW and the Daredevil in CW is Matt, then where the hell did Clint go?
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Post by J Sylar on Jul 26, 2006 20:10:25 GMT -5
now i'm all SUPER-confused about DD in CW
SPOILERS!!!
OK, so as Devil in Cellblock D wraps up, Matt leaves to find Foggy's "killers", thereby leaving NY behind. Yet, in the same week, New Avengers alludes that Murdock is still in jail at Rykers. While its safe to assume that all the NA CW-tie ins are before much of the actual Civil War books, we know that-judging by how he's drawn in CW #3-Matt is Daredevil (unless McNiven didn't drawn something right).
Short: At midnight of The Act, Matt's in jail and, it can be concluded, NOT Dardevil (which means the DD we saw in the group shot of CW #1 was NOT Murdock since that was PRIOR to this day. Yet a few weeks later, Matt is back as DD as evidenced by the scene in the diner where they get their new IDs. Did DD's "replacement" continue to fill in while Matt was away and the other "rebels" just havent said anything (to the reader)?
I'm not a HUGE continuity/timeline stickler fanboy, but when you have a character like DD playing a main role while his ID is (at least to the readers) still up in the air, you get a tad lost.
BTW-LOVED NA. The fact that Tony had them, at exactly midnight, right at Cage's door to force him one way or the other....Iron Man is a punk ass cracker.
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Post by Crimson Arrow on Jul 27, 2006 3:36:32 GMT -5
now i'm all SUPER-confused about DD in CW SPOILERS!!! OK, so as Devil in Cellblock D wraps up, Matt leaves to find Foggy's "killers", thereby leaving NY behind. Yet, in the same week, New Avengers alludes that Murdock is still in jail at Rykers. While its safe to assume that all the NA CW-tie ins are before much of the actual Civil War books, we know that-judging by how he's drawn in CW #3-Matt is Daredevil (unless McNiven didn't drawn something right). Short: At midnight of The Act, Matt's in jail and, it can be concluded, NOT Dardevil (which means the DD we saw in the group shot of CW #1 was NOT Murdock since that was PRIOR to this day. Yet a few weeks later, Matt is back as DD as evidenced by the scene in the diner where they get their new IDs. Did DD's "replacement" continue to fill in while Matt was away and the other "rebels" just havent said anything (to the reader)? I'm not a HUGE continuity/timeline stickler fanboy, but when you have a character like DD playing a main role while his ID is (at least to the readers) still up in the air, you get a tad lost. BTW-LOVED NA. The fact that Tony had them, at exactly midnight, right at Cage's door to force him one way or the other....Iron Man is a punk ass cracker. Have you read DD #87? You'll know who Daredevil is and according to C&D#30 thats the same guy fighting in Civil War so far.
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Post by Billy on Jul 27, 2006 6:47:58 GMT -5
who is the major death in issue 4? eh.
I want it to be cap, i really do.
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Post by J Sylar on Jul 27, 2006 8:05:10 GMT -5
Have you read DD #87? You'll know who Daredevil is and according to C&D#30 thats the same guy fighting in Civil War so far. Yeah, that's where I go confused. But I DIDNT read C&D #30. And THATS where my problem lies-unless you read that one issue, it hasnt even been mentioned anywhere else, so you'd THINK it was Murdock juding by how he's drawn (Mcniven's only giveaway in #3 is that DD's eyes are moving around, but its real subtle and I didnt even notice it at first). It confuses a bit. Also, from the way DD#87 ended, youd think DD's fill-in was going back to his old identity when he switched costumes. That's my issue with CW-Joey Overlord said all you'd need is CW and MAYBE Frontline to get the whole picture, but thats a load of horsecrapbecause all the important storylines are in the other books. Wolverine, New Avengers, and Spider-Man seem to be neccessary to add any sort of context to the story. BTW-with all his mysterious cameos, I'm starting to think Namor might have a hand in all this Civil War stuff. It'd be cool to place him back among the villains.
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Post by J Sylar on Jul 27, 2006 8:06:41 GMT -5
who is the major death in issue 4? eh. I want it to be cap, i really do. What!?! Why? Personally, Cap is staring to become my favorite dude in comics. I'd raher see Iron Man dead-I've never liked him and dont see the need for him in comics anymore beyond seniority.
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Post by Crimson Arrow on Jul 27, 2006 15:18:16 GMT -5
who is the major death in issue 4? eh. I want it to be cap, i really do. What!?! Why? Personally, Cap is staring to become my favorite dude in comics. I'd raher see Iron Man dead-I've never liked him and dont see the need for him in comics anymore beyond seniority. Iron Man and Captain Americas series are so good now... I'd hate to see either stopped. Its the first time I've felt the need to buy a title with them by themselves. I can't imagine how the final issue is going to end. I see someone like Giant Man dying, someone who fans care about and is a long timer but not someone like Cap who is an icon and has his own title. Most likely someone on the anti side who are shown more as the victims, then again maybe pro to mix things up a bit.
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Post by T R W on Jul 27, 2006 15:42:02 GMT -5
Anyone who wants Captain America to die should get a shield upside the skull.
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Post by havoc on Jul 27, 2006 18:46:37 GMT -5
I think it might be Johnny Storm.
Either way with Thor, supposedly, on the side of Iron Man...HOW THE FUNK DO YOU FIGHT A GOD?
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Post by Kanenite on Jul 29, 2006 4:59:02 GMT -5
Crim, where do you get your Civil Wars from? I looked on eBay and they were about £3+ each.
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