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Post by Lk™ on Jun 10, 2008 20:32:32 GMT -5
It's a dark match for s sake. yeah.. but he actually won. that doesn't happen often.
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Post by James Hetfield on Jun 10, 2008 20:37:26 GMT -5
Unknowns win dark matches all the time.
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Jun 10, 2008 20:57:34 GMT -5
That doesn't mean that WWE doesn't have interest in him and that he won't sign. I mean they have to have some kind of interest to put Danielson over Cade who is a guy that is suppose to be getting a push.
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Post by therealjswo on Jun 10, 2008 22:02:50 GMT -5
The story that came out tonight is Danielson was driving from Abeerdeen down to Mexico City so he has his car and his dogs and stopped in Oakland for a payday on the way down.
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Post by Hollywood Asia on Jun 10, 2008 22:10:35 GMT -5
Unknowns win dark matches all the time. Not really
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Post by Suckasays on Jun 10, 2008 22:54:05 GMT -5
Unknowns win dark matches all the time. Yeah. I can't say I remember it happening too often either. Not really
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jun 10, 2008 23:14:53 GMT -5
That doesn't mean that WWE doesn't have interest in him and that he won't sign. I mean they have to have some kind of interest to put Danielson over Cade who is a guy that is suppose to be getting a push. Dark matches dont affect pushes. Besides, Cade and Danielson have a history together. I think thats why they worked one another.
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Post by James Hetfield on Jun 10, 2008 23:23:17 GMT -5
Exactly my point. Dark matches don't mean shit.
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Jun 10, 2008 23:29:55 GMT -5
That doesn't mean that WWE doesn't have interest in him and that he won't sign. I mean they have to have some kind of interest to put Danielson over Cade who is a guy that is suppose to be getting a push. Dark matches dont affect pushes. Besides, Cade and Danielson have a history together. I think thats why they worked one another. I know they have a history together but he still got a win. If WWE gave him a win they have to have interest in him and if anyone can't see that then they are just too blind. Did I say Danielson will sign? No. But if he gets the offer he should take it. Can't work indy's forever. Someone do me a favor and please name me someone who worked a dark match and won without either being hired or that WWE had interest in? I'd love to know. Some of you should stop being selfish and realize that the move is best for his career. Everyone said Punk and Sydal wouldn't do crapand look at them now. If it didn't work out for Danielson it's not like he can't go back to the indy's.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jun 10, 2008 23:32:52 GMT -5
Dark matches dont affect pushes. Besides, Cade and Danielson have a history together. I think thats why they worked one another. I know they have a history together but he still got a win. If WWE gave him a win they have to have interest in him and if anyone can't see that then they are just too blind. Did I say Danielson will sign? No. But if he gets the offer he should take it. Can't work indy's forever. ] Oh I agree there is an interest. And I agree for monetary reasons, he should sign. I'm just saying, getting a win in a dark match guarantees nothing. The interest portion is built upon his body of work and the fact that he had a developmental deal before. And you could work indys forever. Look at Mike Quackenbush. I dont think he'll ever sign anywhere.
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Post by James Hetfield on Jun 10, 2008 23:33:27 GMT -5
Strange, because nobody considered ECW to be an "indie" before it got on TNN. It was the "Big 3" with WWF and WCW. Now the new Big 3 is WWE, TNA, and ROH. ROH gets more worldwide recognition than ECW did with the DVD sales and international coverage.
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Jun 10, 2008 23:37:18 GMT -5
Strange, because nobody considered ECW to be an "indie" before it got on TNN. It was the "Big 3" with WWF and WCW. Now the new Big 3 is WWE, TNA, and ROH. ROH gets more worldwide recognition than ECW did with the DVD sales and international coverage. ROH nowhere near has the interest ECW had back in the day. Indy's in general are more popular now of days then ever and there's a reason for that. However ECW was something that made WWE and WCW both change their style and became well known. Until ROH does that they are not the number #3 promotion. There is no #3 promotion. Yes you can work indy's forever but what I mean is the body can't really handle it. Quack has a real job doesn't he? His injuries are adding up. Plus you don't become a legend by working indy's. If Danielson really is the best wrestler in the world then let him go to the big time and show it. I'm no WWE fan but I'm not gonna be selfish and say he shouldn't take it. He's done everything he can do and he's wrestled everyone he can wrestle. It's time Danielson hook it up with some guys in the E.
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Post by James Hetfield on Jun 10, 2008 23:39:25 GMT -5
You must have misread my post, so I'll let you piece together what I really said and maybe you can come back with a reply that is related to what I said.
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Jun 10, 2008 23:41:28 GMT -5
You must have misread my post, so I'll let you piece together what I really said and maybe you can come back with a reply that is related to what I said. I covered what you said about ROH and ECW in my first two sentences. I added the rest in for the other few selfish people that don't want to see him leave the indy's and ROH in general.
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Post by James Hetfield on Jun 10, 2008 23:42:38 GMT -5
How was the interest higher? Unless you lived in the northeast like Philly or New York there was no way of seeing ECW until it got on TNN. ROH is seen all over the world with their tours overseas and their wrestlers working with promotions in Japan. ECW never had that.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jun 10, 2008 23:43:55 GMT -5
Strange, because nobody considered ECW to be an "indie" before it got on TNN. It was the "Big 3" with WWF and WCW. Now the new Big 3 is WWE, TNA, and ROH. ROH gets more worldwide recognition than ECW did with the DVD sales and international coverage. ROH nowhere near has the interest ECW had back in the day. Indy's in general are more popular now of days then ever and there's a reason for that. However ECW was something that made WWE and WCW both change their style and became well known. Until ROH does that they are not the number #3 promotion. There is no #3 promotion. Yes you can work indy's forever but what I mean is the body can't really handle it. Quack has a real job doesn't he? His injuries are adding up. Plus you don't become a legend by working indy's. If Danielson really is the best wrestler in the world then let him go to the big time and show it. I'm no WWE fan but I'm not gonna be selfish and say he shouldn't take it. He's done everything he can do and he's wrestled everyone he can wrestle. It's time Danielson hook it up with some guys in the E. Definitely agree with you on the ECW part. ECW was a North American phenomenon. Where ROH is more respected in the circles of Japan and even internationally.....they are nowhere near as popular as ECW was in the states. Yes, Quack does have a real job and he does write books as well. But if Quack was in his early 20s and wasnt as beat up as he is, he probably could be more like a Chris Hero and take indy bookings 4/7 days a week. But thats not to be. Besides, he has the training classes during the week at night and he also has Chikara to run.....not to mention the promotions he wrestles for. I mean Quack still works small tiny promotions here in PA that pay him with a hot dog and a can of soda. He just loves the business and loves to work with up and coming kids. I cant 100% agree that you cant be a legend working just indys. I agree that you cant become well known or mainstream. But within wrestling circles and amongst smarks......I think you can. Reckless Youth and Mike Quackenbush are two that come very much to mind. And if Chris Hero doesnt get signed by someone, he is headed down that same path.
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Post by James Hetfield on Jun 10, 2008 23:44:54 GMT -5
I'm not doubting that ECW had high interest. My only point was that ROH has more international recognition than ECW ever did.
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Jun 10, 2008 23:46:19 GMT -5
How was the interest higher? Unless you lived in the northeast like Philly or New York there was no way of seeing ECW until it got on TNN. ROH is seen all over the world with their tours overseas and their wrestlers working with promotions in Japan. ECW never had that. ECW never had that because they never traveled until they got a TV deal. ROH isn't really that well known national. Sure it comes on in the UK but as someone who has seen the Japan shows, if you seen the crowd there isn't that much interest. It's not all about where they traveled but how it's done. 90% of wrestling fans have never heard of ROH. Back when the big three was around 80% of wrestling fans heard of it whether it was because they were shown on RAW or mentioned they were well known. Oh, and how is the interest higher? It shows how much you know. During the 90's indy's weren't what they were today. You had a few guys that always put on a good match but most of the stuff you seen was garbage. ROH helped put the indy's on the map and since then it helped people see a different side of things as far as indy wrestling goes. To say indy's aren't more popular now than they were in the 90s is quite ridiculous.
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Post by James Hetfield on Jun 10, 2008 23:50:34 GMT -5
I find it pretty amazing that a company with no TV show and no TV or newspaper advertising can fill a building with people who know who all the wrestlers are. ROH's audience is totally built off of the internet. ECW had some minimal means of advertisement besides the internet, such as a syndicated TV show in the northeast.
Not sure how you can say the Japanese crowds don't have much interest. Why do you think the companies keep bringing ROH guys back for tours?
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Jun 10, 2008 23:51:55 GMT -5
ROH nowhere near has the interest ECW had back in the day. Indy's in general are more popular now of days then ever and there's a reason for that. However ECW was something that made WWE and WCW both change their style and became well known. Until ROH does that they are not the number #3 promotion. There is no #3 promotion. Yes you can work indy's forever but what I mean is the body can't really handle it. Quack has a real job doesn't he? His injuries are adding up. Plus you don't become a legend by working indy's. If Danielson really is the best wrestler in the world then let him go to the big time and show it. I'm no WWE fan but I'm not gonna be selfish and say he shouldn't take it. He's done everything he can do and he's wrestled everyone he can wrestle. It's time Danielson hook it up with some guys in the E. Definitely agree with you on the ECW part. ECW was a North American phenomenon. Where ROH is more respected in the circles of Japan and even internationally.....they are nowhere near as popular as ECW was in the states. Yes, Quack does have a real job and he does write books as well. But if Quack was in his early 20s and wasnt as beat up as he is, he probably could be more like a Chris Hero and take indy bookings 4/7 days a week. But thats not to be. Besides, he has the training classes during the week at night and he also has Chikara to run.....not to mention the promotions he wrestles for. I mean Quack still works small tiny promotions here in PA that pay him with a hot dog and a can of soda. He just loves the business and loves to work with up and coming kids. I cant 100% agree that you cant be a legend working just indys. I agree that you cant become well known or mainstream. But within wrestling circles and amongst smarks......I think you can. Reckless Youth and Mike Quackenbush are two that come very much to mind. And if Chris Hero doesnt get signed by someone, he is headed down that same path. Yeah that was pretty much my point. Most people will look at it different because they follow indy's. While I would put plenty of indy guys right up there with WWE guys in being a legends in our minds they won't be known by 90% of the wrestling fan base or looked as that. Quack is someone I'd call an indy legend. Same with Christopher Daniels, Reckless Youth & Devon Storm. These guys were indy's before indy's were cool but other than a few of us they will never be known as being legends.
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