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Post by Overnight Sensation on Jul 6, 2008 13:02:03 GMT -5
Score Cards
Adalaide Byrd
Round 1: 10-9 Griffin
Round 2: 10-8 Griffin
Round 3: 10-9 Griffin
Round 4: 10-9 Jackson
Round 5: 10-9 Jackson
Nelson Hamilton
Round 1: 10-9 Jackson
Round 2: 10-8 Griffin
Round 3: 10-9 Griffin
Round 4: 10-9 Jackson
Round 5: 10-9 Griffin
Roy Silbert
Round 1: 10-9 Griffin
Round 2: 10-9 Griffin
Round 3: 10-9 Griffin
Round 4: 10-9 Jackson
Round 5: 10-9 Griffin
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Post by ajstyles888 on Jul 6, 2008 13:13:18 GMT -5
Juanito had this to say after the fight.
- Iron Heart
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Post by becca on Jul 6, 2008 13:31:24 GMT -5
wow I can't believe two judges gave the first round to griffin
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Post by Boquest on Jul 6, 2008 13:34:48 GMT -5
Over on Sherdog it's like the end of the world is happening. I don't really understand why...
I don't really care for either Griffin or Rampage and I watched the fight not hoping for the underdog or even for the champion to reign, I just watched it for entertainment. As a total unbiased opinion, the fight was extremely close, anyone can see that. With close fights of course a decision might come out where people wouldn't agree with it. If Rampage got the nod, the fans would have booed and got all pissy, so it's a loose loose situation. Rampage himself said he got his ass kicked, so why all the fuss? Should Rampage get an imediate re-match? No, he should have to work at it like everyone else. People say he's going to just be paper champion and get thrown tomato cans now to protect him...so after the UFC just "threw" him Shogun and Rampage, who's next for them to throw...Wandy? Chuck? Machida?
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jul 6, 2008 13:34:58 GMT -5
I had it down as a draw, Rampage winning 3 rounds, Forrest winning 2 but 1 round by 10-8. But according to almost everyone else, Forrest won clearly so i'll have to watch it again. The Judges have been known to make a lot of bad calls ( Bisping vs. Hamill ) but i agree on last night, and no it's not just because i'm a huge Forrest Griffin fan. - Iron Heart Bisping vs. Hamill was a damn travesty. |
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Post by [x] TEXACIDE [x] on Jul 6, 2008 14:02:56 GMT -5
Yeah, the fight was judged horribly. Rampage did not lose that fight.
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Post by ajstyles888 on Jul 6, 2008 14:26:01 GMT -5
Yeah, the fight was judged horribly. Rampage did not lose that fight. Yes the hell he did. Get over it, Forrest is the new champ. - Iron Heart |
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Post by Mr. Orange on Jul 6, 2008 14:27:26 GMT -5
All the Sherdog marks are going crazy right now. I can't imagine what it would be like if their beloved Fedor loses.
Anyway, I had the fight scored 48-46 Griffin. Here's how:
Round 1: This was Jackson here. The right that dropped forrest won him the round 10-9.
Round 2: ALL Forrest here. I don't think Rampage landed anything and Forrest was on top of him the whole round. 10-8 Forrest Griffin
Round 3: This was very close. I gave the slight edge to Forrest for being the aggressor, having Octagon control, staying busy, and avoiding punches. Rampage landed a couple punches but nothing really effective. Overall, Forrest won the round. 10-9
Round 4: Rampage knew he had to start letting it hang out in this round and he did that. He landed effective blows while Forrest didn't do a whole lot. Rampage wins the Round 10-9
Round 5: This was a very even round. I gave this round to Forrest for similar reasons to that of the third round. Aggression, avoiding damaging blows and Octagon Control. Forrest wins the round 10-9.
The Rules of the Octagon are:
Effective Striking: Rampage landed good shots, and Forrest landed those good leg kicks. Even here.
Grappling: Forrest all the way. He controlled Rampage the whole time when it was on the ground, even when Rampage was on top of him
Aggression: Both guys showed this. Even
Octagon Control: Forrest took the center all the time and had Page backing up the whole time. Forrest wins this.
Either way you look at it, Forrest won that fight.
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Post by moogie101 on Jul 6, 2008 15:40:54 GMT -5
Just saw the fight as had to work last night.
WOW!!
Forrest shut up all the haters who claimed his Shogun fight was a fluke.
Apart from the first round where Rampage hurt him he was in control of the fight apart from the odd hard shot from rampage.
He dominated so much on top in the second round I was surprised he didn't make more effort to take the fight to the floor in later rounds, especially with Rampage's powr.
Look back & you'll see I called this for Forrest, but i can't believe all the MMA boards who are claiming this is a BS decision, Forest looked great, fought a clever fight 7 deserves the belt.
HOWEVER I didn't think much of Rampage, even in the first round before his knee got hurt.
He basicaly just boxed, there was nothing else. He had nothing for Forrest when he was on the bottom during that second round &b didn't look like the same guy who fought off hendo.
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Jul 6, 2008 16:02:37 GMT -5
I gave the fight to Rampage 3 rounds to 2. But Forrest winning round 2 10-8. Making it a draw. The thing is I am a firm believer that when you are a champion someone has to beat you for your title. This did not happen last night. Forrest did very well. But he did not beat Jackson. And the judges scoring is messed up. I do not agree with it but there is nothing I can do.
Note to all UFC fighters do NOT go on the Jim Rome show before your fight otherwise you WILL loose. This is the 3rd time in a row that a UFC (Faber was on but is not a UFC fighter) fighter has gone on and lost.
And the Kos fight was amazing. Kos felt so bad for his opponite in the third round he did not want to punch him. He at one point said "just chill out bro. I don't want to kill you." That is what Kos told me he said. That fight should have been stopped after the second round.
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Post by moogie101 on Jul 6, 2008 16:23:39 GMT -5
I gave the fight to Rampage 3 rounds to 2. But Forrest winning round 2 10-8. Making it a draw. The thing is I am a firm believer that when you are a champion someone has to beat you for your title. This did not happen last night. Forrest did very well. But he did not beat Jackson. And the judges scoring is messed up. I do not agree with it but there is nothing I can do. I've never understood the logic behind this. If someone beats the champion, whether it was close or not he should be the champion, end of. I think Rampage was very one dimensional last night, what did he do apart from punch? It's an mMA fight & I think Forrest being a more versatile fighter (at least last night) is what helped him get the decision. I had Rampage win the first & for me that was about it. |
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Post by becca on Jul 6, 2008 16:40:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I can't say that Rampage should've won it, I just think the first round judging was messed up. It was close enough that I wouldn't complain either way.
I have a friend who swears that Rampage loses when he fights with facial hair. I guess he's still right.
And yeah, that kos fight was brutal.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Jul 6, 2008 16:49:56 GMT -5
Yeah, the fight was judged horribly. Rampage did not lose that fight. Give me a  ing break. It was not judged horribly. From what I saw, I had Forrest winning 3 rounds to Rampage's 2. Forrest won that fight, fair & square. All there is to it. |
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Post by redypiper on Jul 6, 2008 16:51:15 GMT -5
well for me when they said going into the 5th rd "whoever wins this round wins the fight" i was in agreement. the ppv was well worth it.
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Post by Overnight Sensation on Jul 6, 2008 17:40:35 GMT -5
All the Sherdog marks are going crazy right now. I can't imagine what it would be like if their beloved Fedor loses. Anyway, I had the fight scored 48-46 Griffin. Here's how: Round 1: This was Jackson here. The right that dropped forrest won him the round 10-9. Round 2: ALL Forrest here. I don't think Rampage landed anything and Forrest was on top of him the whole round. 10-8 Forrest Griffin Round 3: This was very close. I gave the slight edge to Forrest for being the aggressor, having Octagon control, staying busy, and avoiding punches. Rampage landed a couple punches but nothing really effective. Overall, Forrest won the round. 10-9 Round 4: Rampage knew he had to start letting it hang out in this round and he did that. He landed effective blows while Forrest didn't do a whole lot. Rampage wins the Round 10-9 Round 5: This was a very even round. I gave this round to Forrest for similar reasons to that of the third round. Aggression, avoiding damaging blows and Octagon Control. Forrest wins the round 10-9. The Rules of the Octagon are: Effective Striking: Rampage landed good shots, and Forrest landed those good leg kicks. Even here. Grappling: Forrest all the way. He controlled Rampage the whole time when it was on the ground, even when Rampage was on top of him Aggression: Both guys showed this. Even Octagon Control: Forrest took the center all the time and had Page backing up the whole time. Forrest wins this. Either way you look at it, Forrest won that fight. my exact comments except on aggression, honestly it looked like Forrest was pushing the temp of the fight and fighting his fight, so i gave him that |
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Post by Codesters on Jul 6, 2008 17:47:58 GMT -5
There's no way in hell the winner of Liddell/Evans will be getting the next title shot. Liddell beat Wanderlei but had lost two fights before that, there is no way anyone but Machida should be next in line for that belt, although I would love a rematch considering how close last night's fight was. Machida and Forrest would be an amazing fight. Machida has such a weird style that no one has been able to figure out, and with wins over Ortiz, Sokoudjou, and Nakamura no man deserves it more. Machida's fights are boring, he makes you chase him the whole time, which is kinda what Forrest did to Jackson. |
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Post by Overnight Sensation on Jul 6, 2008 18:56:42 GMT -5
so why the is there no picture of forrest with the belt ? |
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Post by Mr. Orange on Jul 6, 2008 19:41:13 GMT -5
so why the is there no picture of forrest with the belt ? Neither UFC, Sherdog, nor MMAWEEKLY have put up show pics yet. They should have been up by know. I hope they're up tomorrow. |
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Post by PdW2kX on Jul 6, 2008 19:48:46 GMT -5
Well, that certainly was an interesting PPV.
As I said before, it all came down to "heart vs. power". Then again, I believe Griffin did the one thing so many of Rampage's opponents fail to do: Griffin realized that Rampage is usually very one-dimensional unless forced to up his game.
With his gameplan and his heart Griffin got the win. After nearly getting stopped, Griffin smartened up and took Rampage out of his element with leg kicks and such. From there it was a super-close fight that could've gone either way.
I, personally, have no problem with the way things went. It was a crazy night and both men deserved to win that fight. But the judge's score is final and we have to respect their decision if only because there's nothing we can do about it.
I've enjoyed Rampage since he amazed me with his sheer brute strength in PRIDE and I've admired Griffin's heart and desire to be the best ever since the first TUF. Even if you think Rampage losing is sacrilege, at least give Griffin his props.
This coming from a guy whose last post was something along the lines of "Start the party without me once Rampage KTFO's Griffin."
(b*-')b
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Jul 6, 2008 21:10:53 GMT -5
It's always good seeing Randy Couture in the UFC. It just made me realize how much I missed him.
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