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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Aug 26, 2008 20:57:25 GMT -5
Layton, you think the WWE is more believable? TNA is more like a cartoon? Are you kidding? The main event at Summerslam shoots those statements down. The Undertaker is the biggest cartoon character in wrestling next to Hornswoggle. I'm sick of WWE fans pissing on TNA. If you don't like it don't watch it. As a TNA fan I don't feel the need to convince you to watch. downsyndrome, TNA is using Christian all wrong because of the lack of his entrance attire? WTF? I think you meant to watch Project Runway instead of IMPACT. deskjet: FREE THE MCMG's, You say that the MCMG's, Kaz, Jay Lethal, and Lance Hoyt have not sniffed a world title. First of all Lance Hoyt/Rock doesn't deserve to sniff a jock strap. That guy is awful. His wrestling skills are above average but everything else about him is trash. Secondly I consider the x-title a world title. Sabin, Kaz, and Lethal have all held the x-title. You also pointed out that TNA has let people like Bentley, Harris, and Gail Kim get cut for people like Goldust, Pacman Jones, and Rikishi. So did I miss something? Other than Gail Kim more than likely heading to WWE. Which of those wrestlers is actively wrestling for the WWE or TNA right now? I'm pretty sure the answer is none of them are. The only good thing about Bentley was Ms. Brooks being his valet, and the only good thing about Chris Harris was Cowboy James Storm being his partner. You know what Ms. Brooks and Cowboy James Storm have in common? They still work for TNA and are in high profile angles. I'm surprised you left out Monty Brown and Ron "k-kwik" Killings. You have no clue what you are talking about. In fact not many of you have a clue what you are talking about. Go back to watching your WWE programming. You don't need to concern yourself with TNA. I almost stopped reading after that moronic statement.. Also, the X-Div belt is not a world title.. |
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Post by warmachine76 on Aug 26, 2008 21:16:26 GMT -5
Layton, you think the WWE is more believable? TNA is more like a cartoon? Are you kidding? The main event at Summerslam shoots those statements down. The Undertaker is the biggest cartoon character in wrestling next to Hornswoggle. I'm sick of WWE fans pissing on TNA. If you don't like it don't watch it. As a TNA fan I don't feel the need to convince you to watch. downsyndrome, TNA is using Christian all wrong because of the lack of his entrance attire? WTF? I think you meant to watch Project Runway instead of IMPACT. deskjet: FREE THE MCMG's, You say that the MCMG's, Kaz, Jay Lethal, and Lance Hoyt have not sniffed a world title. First of all Lance Hoyt/Rock doesn't deserve to sniff a jock strap. That guy is awful. His wrestling skills are above average but everything else about him is trash. Secondly I consider the x-title a world title. Sabin, Kaz, and Lethal have all held the x-title. You also pointed out that TNA has let people like Bentley, Harris, and Gail Kim get cut for people like Goldust, Pacman Jones, and Rikishi. So did I miss something? Other than Gail Kim more than likely heading to WWE. Which of those wrestlers is actively wrestling for the WWE or TNA right now? I'm pretty sure the answer is none of them are. The only good thing about Bentley was Ms. Brooks being his valet, and the only good thing about Chris Harris was Cowboy James Storm being his partner. You know what Ms. Brooks and Cowboy James Storm have in common? They still work for TNA and are in high profile angles. I'm surprised you left out Monty Brown and Ron "k-kwik" Killings. You have no clue what you are talking about. In fact not many of you have a clue what you are talking about. Go back to watching your WWE programming. You don't need to concern yourself with TNA. I almost stopped reading after that moronic statement.. Also, the X-Div belt is not a world title.. That wasn't a moronic statement at all. Am I supposed to believe that the Undertaker can conjure flames at will to consume Edge? Please. That late eighties early nineties b.s. is worn out just like the Taker gimmick. I don't care if it is still over with the fans or not. I always preferred the ABA Taker gimmick. I was a hell of a lot more believable. The X-Title is debatable. Did you consider the Cruiserweight title a world title? |
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Post by mrchase on Aug 26, 2008 21:37:38 GMT -5
I almost stopped reading after that moronic statement.. Also, the X-Div belt is not a world title.. That wasn't a moronic statement at all. Am I supposed to believe that the Undertaker can conjure flames at will to consume Edge? Please. That late eighties early nineties b.s. is worn out just like the Taker gimmick. I don't care if it is still over with the fans or not. I always preferred the ABA Taker gimmick. I was a hell of a lot more believable. The X-Title is debatable. Did you consider the Cruiserweight title a world title? That late eighties early nineties is not B.s & that means if you think it is B.S. then you really don't like real pro-wrestling . instead you are spot monkey fan. no ,the crusierwieght title was not a world title . world titles are the main title of the feds like NWA world title ,the world heavyweight title, & WWe title. tna titles are not a world titles anyways . once tna lost the NWA title they lost there world title. ABA Taker gimmick sucked & this shows you are some stupid attitude fan because attitude sucked & was wrong compared to the 80's & early 90's . the old school way is always right.everything about attitude was wrong. |
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Post by deskjet on Aug 26, 2008 21:43:53 GMT -5
Layton, you think the WWE is more believable? TNA is more like a cartoon? Are you kidding? The main event at Summerslam shoots those statements down. The Undertaker is the biggest cartoon character in wrestling next to Hornswoggle. I'm sick of WWE fans pissing on TNA. If you don't like it don't watch it. As a TNA fan I don't feel the need to convince you to watch. downsyndrome, TNA is using Christian all wrong because of the lack of his entrance attire? WTF? I think you meant to watch Project Runway instead of IMPACT. deskjet: FREE THE MCMG's, You say that the MCMG's, Kaz, Jay Lethal, and Lance Hoyt have not sniffed a world title. First of all Lance Hoyt/Rock doesn't deserve to sniff a jock strap. That guy is awful. His wrestling skills are above average but everything else about him is trash. Secondly I consider the x-title a world title. Sabin, Kaz, and Lethal have all held the x-title. You also pointed out that TNA has let people like Bentley, Harris, and Gail Kim get cut for people like Goldust, Pacman Jones, and Rikishi. So did I miss something? Other than Gail Kim more than likely heading to WWE. Which of those wrestlers is actively wrestling for the WWE or TNA right now? I'm pretty sure the answer is none of them are. The only good thing about Bentley was Ms. Brooks being his valet, and the only good thing about Chris Harris was Cowboy James Storm being his partner. You know what Ms. Brooks and Cowboy James Storm have in common? They still work for TNA and are in high profile angles. I'm surprised you left out Monty Brown and Ron "k-kwik" Killings. You have no clue what you are talking about. In fact not many of you have a clue what you are talking about. Go back to watching your WWE programming. You don't need to concern yourself with TNA. ya know what, your opinion are just as ignorant as the programming. I've watched this compnay for 5 years...so, I"M a fan. People like you need to understand that being fan does not mean you love everything the program does. I like football, but i dont agree with everything my team does especially when they lose but that doesnt make me not a fan. And how the hell can you consider an x title a world title...world title of what? There's not even a clear defintion for it anymore. The problem with your arguement sis that everything is based on a small percentage of opinions while the feelings of most people's opinion is that the product is not that great...again supported by the 1.0 ratings or less every freakin week for the last 5 years. Becasue someone doesnt like TNA doesnt make them a wwe fan and doesnt mean they have to change the freakin channel. I wish you guys would stop using that lame ass excuse and just call it like it is. TNA has great potential but they have yet to be consitent with making that potential a reality. And my point about not pushing talent, wasnt so much to point out particular names but to draw attention to the fact that there have been stars in the company that have been popular and successful that continually get passed over for WWE wreslters, 75% of which need to go to make room for new talent. And are yiou seriously saying something about cartoon characters in the wwe and 80's 90's gimmicks while defending a compnay that supports a man dress as a shark, acting like a bld headed SOB, a black guy acting like macho man, a wrestlers dressed like some spices , and a freakin super hero? Less not forget the black wigged wonder, his freddy krueger partner and a blatant rip off of Kanes/mankind' gimick with Abyss? stop making yourself look like a tool. Your right though, u dont need us to be convinced to watch, TNA needs to convince people to watch...whcih again, they havent been able to do in the last 5 years. Let me ask you something then warmachine76...what the hell is tna doing right in your opinion? IS it the Burrito on a pole match, Or the justice league of america or the ever worthwhile tag team divsion that has exactly 3 freakin teams in it, or maybe its the everyone over 50 club in the world title picture? I dont know you tell me. I said I liked some things about TNA whcih if you wernt so busy defending TNA like it was your boyfriend yu would seen that. Tna has the ability to be great...the problem is when you have half brained bookers, you get half assed products and lose hlaf your audience, half way through the show. Fix that thaen you'll have something to bitch about! |
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Post by Heresy on Aug 26, 2008 22:48:01 GMT -5
I almost stopped reading after that moronic statement.. Also, the X-Div belt is not a world title.. That wasn't a moronic statement at all. Am I supposed to believe that the Undertaker can conjure flames at will to consume Edge? It's called a gimmick... cartoon characters aren't involved in intense rivalries, and they don't go out and have excellent matches... sorry. When was the last time someone in TNA not named AJ Styles or Kurt Angle had either of these? The X-division title... a World title!? BAWHAHAHAHAHAHA... that title hasn't been anything more than a glorified midcard place holder since Kurt Angle destroyed its' aura. You truly have no clue what you're talking about... |
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Post by layton on Aug 26, 2008 23:09:25 GMT -5
Layton, you think the WWE is more believable? TNA is more like a cartoon? Are you kidding? The main event at Summerslam shoots those statements down. The Undertaker is the biggest cartoon character in wrestling next to Hornswoggle. I'm sick of WWE fans pissing on TNA. If you don't like it don't watch it. As a TNA fan I don't feel the need to convince you to watch. downsyndrome, TNA is using Christian all wrong because of the lack of his entrance attire? WTF? I think you meant to watch Project Runway instead of IMPACT. deskjet: FREE THE MCMG's, You say that the MCMG's, Kaz, Jay Lethal, and Lance Hoyt have not sniffed a world title. First of all Lance Hoyt/Rock doesn't deserve to sniff a jock strap. That guy is awful. His wrestling skills are above average but everything else about him is trash. Secondly I consider the x-title a world title. Sabin, Kaz, and Lethal have all held the x-title. You also pointed out that TNA has let people like Bentley, Harris, and Gail Kim get cut for people like Goldust, Pacman Jones, and Rikishi. So did I miss something? Other than Gail Kim more than likely heading to WWE. Which of those wrestlers is actively wrestling for the WWE or TNA right now? I'm pretty sure the answer is none of them are. The only good thing about Bentley was Ms. Brooks being his valet, and the only good thing about Chris Harris was Cowboy James Storm being his partner. You know what Ms. Brooks and Cowboy James Storm have in common? They still work for TNA and are in high profile angles. I'm surprised you left out Monty Brown and Ron "k-kwik" Killings. You have no clue what you are talking about. In fact not many of you have a clue what you are talking about. Go back to watching your WWE programming. You don't need to concern yourself with TNA. Wow. You consider Undertaker more of a cartoon than guys like Curryman, Sharkboy and Jay Lethal? I was looking for someone to show me some of the strong points of TNA because I like it, and I want to enjoy it more when I watch it. I was not "pissing on" TNA, because I am some WWE mark. In fact, most of the things I said about TNA were positive, because I like the roster. I don't need some TNA elitist telling me not to watch because I do not think the programming is perfect. I did not just come on here and trash TNA. I cited the positive and negative and gave both sides. If you don't want to answer my question, then don't answer it, but don't tell me what to do because you think you are superior to me based on the number of IMPACTs you've seen. That is just sad. |
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Post by downsyndrome on Aug 26, 2008 23:19:36 GMT -5
My point was about Christian not being the Christian of old. One part of that is the fact he doesnt come out in the old entrance attire, so whatever. The guys holding the X Divison title should be holding the world title...instead..we are getting new blood vs the old guys part 2... so yea.... TNA is great.......
WWE cartoons
Greater than
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Post by djknightrida on Aug 26, 2008 23:29:44 GMT -5
My biggest grip isn't even with booking. They need to fire Don West. His voice makes watching nearly unbearable.  Oh God....  If they fired West and gave Foley his spot... I'd rejoice for a week. I'd even have a Feast....or a Snickers. |
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Aug 26, 2008 23:32:30 GMT -5
Oh God.... If they fired West and gave Foley his spot... I'd rejoice for a week. I'd even have a Feast....or a Snickers. Alas, my love, you do me wrong, to cast me off discourteously... |
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Post by Master Lewpac on Aug 27, 2008 1:04:20 GMT -5
Honestly, if you cant get into on your own, then theres really nothing we can do for you. I mean, If you dont like it for the wrestling, which is what I mostly watch it for, then theres really no reason to watch.
I, unlike others, like pretty much everything about TNA. I like the story lines, I like the feuds, the roster. I admit, they dont use people to their full potential, but you have that no matter what you watch. Look at the E, they dont give half the guys that should be champion by now a match at times. Anyone remember the original ECW? RVD was their most over guy, the number 1 reason for staying around as long as they did, yet he never got a world title.
I dont want to cause an argument here or nothing, im just saying, if you cant get into it on your own, theres really no hope..
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Post by mrchase on Aug 27, 2008 2:43:48 GMT -5
WWe best roster in the world by far & i am NWA TNA original . What does that even mean? I know you claim to be "part of the business," but unless that "chase" in your name means that you're actually Chase Stevens, you're not "NWA TNA original" by any means. being a NWA-TNA original means the i am one of fans who has been with NWA-TNA since the first night & has bought every NWA-TNA PPV every Wednesday . i am one of the reasons there is TNA at all because i was one of the original 10,000 people who bought the first NWA-TNA PPV unlike most of you on here who are bandwagoon TNA fans anyways . if you did not support NWA-TNA the first night then don't talk to me . i went To NWA-TNA PPV there first year . how about most you?. i bet most of you can't even say that . i am original NWA-TNA fan not some bandwagoon TNA fan like most of the people on here. i went with matt sydal & Delirious when they tryout & wrestled each other on PPV for NWA-TNA. . i used to wrestle in same fed as them ,GCW & helped train them. most of you don't even what the first 2 years NWA-TNA was like. my name MR.chase means wrestling at the chase in st louis but most of you would not now what that is because you are stuck up new school's ass too much. |
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Post by layton on Aug 27, 2008 9:36:14 GMT -5
What does that even mean? I know you claim to be "part of the business," but unless that "chase" in your name means that you're actually Chase Stevens, you're not "NWA TNA original" by any means. being a NWA-TNA original means the i am one of fans who has been with NWA-TNA since the first night & has bought every NWA-TNA PPV every Wednesday . i am one of the reasons there is TNA at all because i was one of the original 10,000 people who bought the first NWA-TNA PPV unlike most of you on here who are bandwagoon TNA fans anyways . if you did not support NWA-TNA the first night then don't talk to me . i went To NWA-TNA PPV there first year . how about most you?. i bet most of you can't even say that . i am original NWA-TNA fan not some bandwagoon TNA fan like most of the people on here. i went with matt sydal & Delirious when they tryout & wrestled each other on PPV for NWA-TNA. . i used to wrestle in same fed as them ,GCW & helped train them. most of you don't even what the first 2 years NWA-TNA was like. my name MR.chase means wrestling at the chase in st louis but most of you would not now what that is because you are stuck up new school's ass too much. That is absolutely pathetic logic. You're telling us that we cannot be fans of something we were not there for the start of? That means most of us cannot like WWE either because it started before we were born. That means that none of us can be fans of America or England or the NFL or soccer or cake...because we weren't there the first time it was made/discovered. I did not see the first WWE pay-per-view, but I am still a fan. I did not see the first TNA pay-per-view either, but I still like it. Just because you ordered a lot of PPVs in 2002 does not make you any better than us, and you can't tell us what we can or can't be fans of. I am sick of elitists who think just because someone was not there at the very beginning, they can't like something. What is the deal with that? If you cared anything about TNA, you would want new fans to come along. If there are no new fans, then the program must not be that good, and if there is no following, eventually they will die. Sorry I offended you by trying to like TNA. That does not make me a bandwagon fan. An example of a bandwagon fan is a guy becoming a New York Giants fan after last years Super Bowl. TNA did not all of the sudden become this great thing overnight and everyone ran to it and became a bandwagon fan. Someone that joins in after the commencement of something (whether it be a wrestling promotion or sports team or anything) is not necessarily a bandwagon fan, so don't accuse us of this without knowing the truth and being able to back up your insults. |
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Post by ICW on Aug 27, 2008 9:51:53 GMT -5
I could never get into TNA. Booker T is hard to listen to when he's cutting a promo... pretty much all the talent is heard to listen to when they cut promos. The booking of TNA makes me confused as well.
Like I was said in a previous thread, TNA has so many former washed up WCW/ECW/WWE talent that I have seen twenty billion times in the past. It's just not exciting wrestling to watch. I can't get into womens wrestling, so the Knockout Division doesn't appeal to me as much.
TNA has the talent to improve, they just need to start booking smartly.
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Aug 27, 2008 10:22:02 GMT -5
I could never get into TNA. Booker T is hard to listen to when he's cutting a promo... pretty much all the talent is heard to listen to when they cut promos. The booking of TNA makes me confused as well. You think it was hard before...now Booker thinks he's Jamaican. |
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Post by warmachine76 on Aug 27, 2008 10:45:58 GMT -5
Wow that was a lot of venom spit my way. Good thing i'm not thin skinned. However I will defend myself and my opinions.
deskjet: FREE THE MCMG's, You seem to have all of the answers. Perhaps you should buy TNA from Dixie Carter and Jeff Jarrett and bring TNA to the promised land. You bash the TNA tag team division for having nothing going on. Other than Rhodes and Dibiase who the hell are the tag teams in the WWE? Cryme Tyme? It is also really easy to say you have watched for 5 years and that makes you some kind of TNA fan.
mrchase, So because I don't enjoy the Undertakers gimmick that makes me a spot monkey fan. How is that? I didn't say that I watch ROH. I just don't think conjuring fire is believable. It also has no bearing on whether or not I like pro wrestling. If you think that is real pro wrestling you are clueless. Go talk to Harley Race or Ric Flair.
I was a huge WCW fan and when they went out wrestling essentially died for me. I tried to watch the WWE but I could barely stand it. Then after speculation TNA finally came to be. I have watched TNA from day one(Longer than 5 years). It is still the only wrestling i'll pay for. How many of you critics buy the ppv's on a monthly basis? How many of you actually sit down and watch IMPACT start to finish on a weekly basis? I don't like everything that TNA does but they are nowhere near as awful as critics make them out to be. It is really easy to point out the negatives and completely avoid the positives. So yes, being a fan does not mean you blindly accept everything you see but, you can't avoid acknowledging positives and be a fan either. If TNA is so bad, stop watching. Stop bitching about it. Walk away. It is that simple.
I appreciate and applaud TNA for giving me an alternative to the WWE. It is hard as hell to do what Dixie Carter and Jeff Jarrett have done with TNA in such a short time. If it was easy to compete in the American pro wrestling market on a national and international level there would be a lot more companies doing it. TNA still has more rocky roads ahead of them too. It won't be long before Vince starts trying to steal more talent from TNA. Gail Kim is the first one the WWE will actually push. On that note let me pose a question. If TNA is so damn awful why is the WWE trying to put a bigger emphasis on womens wrestling? Hmmm...perhaps because TNA proved that people will watch women wrestle if they actually can wrestle. Amazing that the WWE would pay any attention to TNA at all. It must just be coincidence or something. I'm sure that the WWE was planning this big womens wrestling revamp all along. I could go on forever with this but it isn't worth my time or energy to argue with people who think that Lance Hoyt/Rock deserves titles of any kind, doesn't think that TNA has world titles, and generally has nothing positive to say about TNA.
Just stop watching it will work out better for you.
I am a TNA fan. Cross the Line or don't. It is up to you.
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Post by Joey Cush on Aug 27, 2008 11:07:02 GMT -5
If TNA is the alternative of WWE, then why should we stop watching TNA? If you dont like WWE and you are basically forced to watch TNA, but dislike the program, a person like you basically says to you that you cant watch wrestling.
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Post by warmachine76 on Aug 27, 2008 11:25:43 GMT -5
If TNA is the alternative of WWE, then why should we stop watching TNA? If you don't like WWE and you are basically forced to watch TNA, but dislike the program, a person like you basically says to you that you cant watch wrestling. That barely made sense. If you don't like the WWE and you don't like TNA then you need to find another wrestling program to watch. Try ROH you may like it. I'm not telling anyone what to watch. All i'm saying is TNA is not the abomination that it is made out to be. If all a person can do is complain about TNA. Or beg to be convinced to watch TNA. They shouldn't watch it. I don't watch things I don't like. I'll check a program out and if I didn't enjoy watching it i'll walk away from it. I don't go looking for the nearest forum board to post my nonsensical thoughts about it. That would be a waste of my time. |
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Post by Joey Cush on Aug 27, 2008 11:31:37 GMT -5
If you dont like WWE for certain reasons. And TNA say's that they're the "alternative", shouldnt their product be...good?
Think of it like this. If you really dislike WWE and will not watch their product, TNA should be the alternative. Not just because thats what they are selling themselves to be, but because they are another wrestling company with a primetime time slot. WWE "hold back their talent". So does TNA. WWE "always has same guys in Main Event spot". As does TNA. WWE, "The titles dont mean crap". Same with TNA. Bad booking. Horrible writing. stupid storylines. If you think about it, it's no alternative.
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Post by warmachine76 on Aug 27, 2008 11:54:22 GMT -5
Think of it like this. If you dont like WWE for certain reasons. And TNA say's that they're the "alternative", shouldnt their product be...good? TNA is an alternative to the WWE. Whether they are a good wrestling show or a bad one is a matter of personal opinion. So basically you either personally like TNA or you don't. What is so hard about that? |
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Post by ICW on Aug 27, 2008 13:01:48 GMT -5
The point should be this:
TNA should make themselves a real alternative to the WWE. You cannot do that with ex WWE/WCW/ECW rejects or terrible booking.
If TNA were to truly be an alternative to the WWE, they should do things to make themselves stand out more and more from the WWE. They can't accomplish that goal because of all the former WWE/WCW/ECW talent on their roster.
If they were truly the alternative, they should push their homegrown talent with no cartoonish gimmicks.
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