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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 18, 2012 15:23:26 GMT -5
HBK definitely would have been a part of the Invasion storyline, if it weren't for him passing out backstage in Vince's office around the time WCW was purchased from being messed up on pills (Soma). It's been mentioned by Triple H in a WWE interview I've seen on one of the Michaels DVD's, although he doesn't specifically mention Michaels being a part of the Invasion, if I remember correctly. I seem to also recall that the event he passed out backstage at leading to him not being used was WrestleMania X7...though I could be wrong there. Yea I've heard HBK was to be part of WMX7, but didn't this all happen the week before Mania? They couldn't have added someone as huge as HBK in a big role in that small time, it would have just seemed like shoe-horning someone in for the sake of it. Agreed. I've heard this rumor but don't believe it given that the full-time return of HBK should have been bigger and given more buildup than one week. I believe this was also the time he got into a huge blow up w/ HHH backstage and they didn't talk for over a year.
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Post by Tyler Black on Apr 18, 2012 21:10:41 GMT -5
[tr][/tr] This is how I would of booked the WCW Alliance fued. The WCW Alliance:Shane McMahon (WCW Owner) Booker T (WCW Champion) (Feud with Angle) Dustin Rhodes (I would of brought him over) ( The Mole) Chris Kanyon (US Champion) (Feud With IC Champion) Ric Flair ( Alliance Manger ) Shane Helms (No Hurricane Gimmick) (Feud with X-Pac) DDP (No Stalker Angle) (Feud with The Rock) Chris Jericho (defector) Hughe Morris (Stable Jobber) Stacy & Torrie (Wouldn't of changed their feuds) WWF Team:Steve Austin (SCSA Gimmick) The Undertaker (BA Gimmick) The Rock (WWF Champion) Kurt Angle (Face) Kane (Face) ECW would of never got involved, it would of been a entire separate angle after WCW's ended. * Dustin Rhodes would of came back as Goldust for the WWF Team. But over time he would of revealed himself as the Alliances mole and became Dustin Rhodes (dropping the Goldust gimmick)
*Stalker Angle, I would of waited for Scott Steiner to heal and placed him in that role. This angle could of taken place during the ECW feud with the WWF after WCW's had ended.
*Ric Flair buying part of the WWF, I would of had Vince line up the alliance and fire each one of them (After a five on five match at Survivor Series where WCW lost) until he got to Ric Flair, which Flair would of revealed he was part owner of the WWF then.
Great ideas man if this would have happened it would have been insane
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Post by drifter on Apr 18, 2012 22:33:25 GMT -5
I thought the stalker angle was great, MAKE ME FAMOUS! DDP was already famous after having been in huge feuds that involved Jay Leno, Karl Malone, and Dennis Rodman. He was also a 3x WCW Champ. And the stalked angle made zero sense what so ever considering we all knew that DDP was married to Kimberly Page(so why the hell would he go after Taker's horse faced wife...). Well remember, at the time, Taker's catchphrase was how he'd make his opponents famous. DDP telling Taker to make him famous was basically a way of him egging on to fight him. And the angle would have worked with DDP, if it was just tweaked slightly. They made it like Page was actually obsessed with Sara, and got his ass kicked for it. They should have had it eventually revealed that he was stalking her as a way to get into Taker's head. Have Page talk about how Taker had his Decade of Destruction because of his use of fear as a big tool. He could beat guys before ever facing them, by getting into their heads, and now Page was going to give him a taste of his own medicine. He used Taker's personal life as a way to throw him off his game, and distract him in the ring. Of course for that to have worked, they would have needed to actually make the feud more even. Have things like Taker in a match, another video airs during it, getting Taker's attention, with Page coming from the crowd and hitting the Cutter. Even with actual encounters, have Page maybe take a bit of a beating, but suddenly gets a surprise Diamond Cutter. Like when Taker came out at a PPV (can't remember the one) and basically just handed Page his ass. You have that happen, but have someone like Kanyon come out, stopping Taker's assault long enough for Page to recover and get an upper hand.
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 18, 2012 22:47:24 GMT -5
DDP was already famous after having been in huge feuds that involved Jay Leno, Karl Malone, and Dennis Rodman. He was also a 3x WCW Champ. And the stalked angle made zero sense what so ever considering we all knew that DDP was married to Kimberly Page(so why the hell would he go after Taker's horse faced wife...). Well remember, at the time, Taker's catchphrase was how he'd make his opponents famous. DDP telling Taker to make him famous was basically a way of him egging on to fight him. And the angle would have worked with DDP, if it was just tweaked slightly. They made it like Page was actually obsessed with Sara, and got his ass kicked for it. They should have had it eventually revealed that he was stalking her as a way to get into Taker's head. Have Page talk about how Taker had his Decade of Destruction because of his use of fear as a big tool. He could beat guys before ever facing them, by getting into their heads, and now Page was going to give him a taste of his own medicine. He used Taker's personal life as a way to throw him off his game, and distract him in the ring. Of course for that to have worked, they would have needed to actually make the feud more even. Have things like Taker in a match, another video airs during it, getting Taker's attention, with Page coming from the crowd and hitting the Cutter. Even with actual encounters, have Page maybe take a bit of a beating, but suddenly gets a surprise Diamond Cutter. Like when Taker came out at a PPV (can't remember the one) and basically just handed Page his ass. You have that happen, but have someone like Kanyon come out, stopping Taker's assault long enough for Page to recover and get an upper hand. The gimmick still didn't fit his character at all. I get what your saying, but it should have been used w/ another character that would have been more natural in the role. The thing that really killed the feud from the begining is that DDP was literally jobbed out every single week. He was never treated as a main eventer. He was treated as some joke. During their first encounter at King of the Ring, Taker literally beat the crap out of him for 15 straight minutes. Hell, even Taker's wife got a pin on DDP. He should have been brought in w/ the same "Jersey/People's Champ" gimmick that he had in WCW. Instead, he was given a gimmick that didn't fit him at all and jobbed out before the Invasion PPV was even held.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 12:03:18 GMT -5
oh yeah DDP was killed beyond belief long before Invasion. and despite that look at the buyrate it did.......Holy Vince left a LOT of money on the table here.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Apr 19, 2012 14:49:17 GMT -5
I do agree KroniK shouldn't of been fighting BoD at Unforgiven. It was another case of Vince refusing to let his WWF guys go down to these "inferior" WcW guys (not trying to say KroniK > Brothers of Destruction). But having Hall and Nash fight them would at least add some legitimacy that WcW had some life left in the Invasion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 15:16:05 GMT -5
Hall and Nash werent free until Jan 2002 but if they were?I still wouldnt have used them.
IF the Invasion had been presented properly Kronik should/could have been booked like monsters......but hey.Steph and Vinnie didnt want the opposition to look good.and their plan was excellent if driving down ratings by sept 2001 was their plan......
sticking to the model of what Vince did and who he used/kronik would have FLATTENED the Acolytes at Invasion then wasted the Hardys too at SSlam.....and anyone else put in their path.
the only guys who could take them down would have been UT and Kane.but for some unfathomable reason the Dudleys were booked as the Alliances main team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 15:20:20 GMT -5
Im making this the official Invasion thread.all chat about this angle will go here now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 17:44:27 GMT -5
I think ddp fell off the face of the earth after summerslam. I would've died o see rock vs ddp for the belt. would have been great. so many people say DDP and Booker werent enough to amke the Invasion work but they were.they were at the same level as Hall and Nash were when they went to WCW. it was all in the presentation.....and thats where the whole angle flopped.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 5:27:14 GMT -5
If Vince hadn't been desperate to bury wcw the invasion angle would have been so much better.
Hogan, DDP, Hall, Nash, Steiner, Booker vs Rock, Austin, Angle, Undertaker, Kane, HHH.
He had so many main eventers. He also really ruined the Kronik team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 14:26:10 GMT -5
I just remembered that Kronik didnt really "turn up"work wise did they?hell even if they ahd it probablyn wouldnt have mattered.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 14:08:47 GMT -5
I always thought that the Survivor Series teams should've been...
Team Alliance: Booker T., Rob Van Dam, The Dudley Boyz, and The Big Show Team WWF: The Rock, Kurt Angle, Undertaker, Jericho, and Stone Cold.
Big Show would have made more sense in going to the alliance than Stone Cold. Even Jericho would've made for a better choice. They could have even had Shane vs. Vince 2 happen at Survivor Series.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2012 7:40:26 GMT -5
I always thought that the Survivor Series teams should've been... Team Alliance: Booker T., Rob Van Dam, The Dudley Boyz, and The Big Show Team WWF: The Rock, Kurt Angle, Undertaker, Jericho, and Stone Cold. Big Show would have made more sense in going to the alliance than Stone Cold. Even Jericho would've made for a better choice. They could have even had Shane vs. Vince 2 happen at Survivor Series. yeah Big Show could have been used for sure.Jericho(as I have harped on mnay times)should have been the one that turned on Team WWF.it would have made him overnight providing the booking of the character remained strong. its funny how Vince mockled WCW for not using The Giant properly.....then he signed him for a massive guaranteed deal and did even worse than Bischoff did with him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2012 14:23:18 GMT -5
I enjoy reading everyone's ideas here, a lot of creativity, and a lot better then what we the fans were given. I'm not too good at sitting down and trying to rewrite history, and I hardly ever watched WCW, so my ideas might not really bring everything together into focus. Besides the mismanagement of tons of talent, what killed it for me was WCW teaming up with ECW. Anyone who was an avid fan of ECW knows they sh*t all over WCW & WWF whenever they felt like it. On top of that, Paul Heyman truly hated (and hate is a strong word) Eric Bischoff (SP?). So to see ECW "aligning" with WCW made no sense and at the same time was like a slap in the face. If anything it was too much at once, too many new faces for WWF fans. Maybe we should have seen two invasion angles, one with WCW and another with ECW. On another note, a majority of ECW talent didn't fit into the stereotypical idea of what a wrestler should look like. I'm not saying roids weren't involved with anyone in ECW, but comparing physical appearances between ECW guys and WCW/WWF guys, it was obvious that the ECW guys were smaller. Maybe that's why Vince did away with a lot of the available talent. I could see Vince not believing guys like Justin Credible and Rhino were heavyweight title contenders compared too his top talent like Kane, Taker, Rock, ect. Just my thoughts
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2012 16:51:01 GMT -5
In the nWo thread on here people talk about how the nWo should've only been guys who were once apart of WWF. I think that is how the alliance should've been but with WCW/ECW guys. It made no sense to me why people like Test, Christian, and Ivory were in the Alliance. Why not put Tajiri and Jerry Lynn in the Alliance? I know that Tajiri was pretty over as a face but he could get over as a heel just as easily.
In my opinion the best thing that they did with the Alliance vs. WWF feud was put Jeff Hardy and RVD in a feud. They had some great matches in 2001.
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Post by Too Sweet on Apr 26, 2012 3:20:13 GMT -5
In the nWo thread on here people talk about how the nWo should've only been guys who were once apart of WWF. I think that is how the alliance should've been but with WCW/ECW guys. It made no sense to me why people like Test, Christian, and Ivory were in the Alliance. Why not put Tajiri and Jerry Lynn in the Alliance? I know that Tajiri was pretty over as a face but he could get over as a heel just as easily. Yeah I agree, It just made no sense whatsoever apart from giving those guys cheap heat. Though I felt Christian really flourished from this and that it was evident after the Alliance storyline had finished, he could pull off being a heel, a good one at that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2012 21:55:12 GMT -5
Yeah I agree, It just made no sense whatsoever apart from giving those guys cheap heat. Though I felt Christian really flourished from this and that it was evident after the Alliance storyline had finished, he could pull off being a heel, a good one at that. I can agree with that. But I believe he could've been a heel while still representing WWF. Jericho was doing it. He may not have been full blown heel but they were planting the seeds while he was on Team WWF. Even X-Pac still played a heel, though he was just hated as a person not as a wrestler... so that may be a bad example.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2012 19:09:02 GMT -5
yeah as soon as Christian turned you knew he was going to end up in The Alliance.
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 28, 2012 13:51:30 GMT -5
I actually liked Christian in the Alliance. But as for other guys like Test...not so much.
Vince always claimed he didn't have the money to sign other top guys (BS). If Vince didn't want to pay them, he should have held off on this angle until 2002. Have Booker T and DDP work in OVW or some other minor company for the year or let them stay rested at home until 2002. By then the angle could have worked. He could have brought them in w/ the nWo, Flair, Bischoff, Mysterio, and Steiner. Goldberg was available as well and probably could have been convinced to sign as well.
But even w/ what he had in 2001, the angle could have worked. Booker T and DDP were just as big as Nash and Hall were when they went to WCW in 1996(maybe even bigger in DDP's case), and guys like Jericho and Big Show could have been moved to the WCW side. It didn't make sense w/ ECW joining WCW, but to add even more guys, I would have been fine w/ a storyline of whoever ran WCW buying the contracts of guys like RVD and The Dudley Boyz to add even more names to the Alliance. I still say that at Invasion the teams should have been...
WWF - Austin, Angle, Jericho, Taker, Kane
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Alliance - Booker T, DDP, Big Show, Jeff Jarrett, RVD
People forget that Jarrett's contract came w/ the WCW purchase but Vince released him right away. This was stupid as it would have gave him another credible name to work w/. I liked the Dudley Boyz in 2001 but they should not have been in the main event. They could have easily faced the Hardy Boyz and taken the tag titles to show their tag team dominance. RBD could have taken the hardcore title from Jeff before this event, and then after the PPV they could have continued their feud and had their hardcore match at SummerSlam.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2012 14:05:02 GMT -5
yeah Vince says they didnt sign Goldberg in 2001 because it would have upset the salary structure in WWE......so they did it in 2003(and upset everyone) instead in a desperate attempt to reverse buyrate trends.
and yeah it was stupid not to sign JJ........despite him having been in vinnieland recently he still had the star power to help this tick over.
bah.
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