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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 28, 2012 21:18:40 GMT -5
yeah Vince says they didnt sign Goldberg in 2001 because it would have upset the salary structure in WWE......so they did it in 2003(and upset everyone) instead in a desperate attempt to reverse buyrate trends. and yeah it was stupid not to sign JJ........despite him having been in vinnieland recently he still had the star power to help this tick over. bah. Exactly. I could see why Vince would be upset w/ JJ, but according to multiple sources JJ only demanded the money Vince still owed him and nothing more. I'm more inclined to believe JJ than Vince given Vince's history. People seem to crap on his lat WCW run, but fact is that people were only still watching WCW in 2000 for guys like Booker T, Steiner, and Jarrett. W/out those guys, nobody would have been watching. Bringing Jarrett in would have only gave Vince another big name guy to use to help the angle.
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Post by robinsonben36 on Apr 28, 2012 22:17:17 GMT -5
Yeah I think we can all agree that the Invasion should, or at least could have been the greatest angle in the history of wrestling. I read somewhere (possibly the last chapter of WrestleCrap's The Death of WCW) that based on the gross from the Invasion PPV alone, they could have covered the cost of Hogan, Hall, Nash, Goldberg, Sting and Flair's contracts -- which they said were too expensive to take on and allowed to remain under AOL/Time Warner. It's crazy that the first PPV could have been:
Flair, Sting, Hogan, Hall, Nash, Goldberg vs. Austin, Rock, Taker, Kane, Jericho, Angle
If all of the pieces would have fallen into place properly, that might have been the most historic main event in history. It's such a shame that egos and paranoia got in the way because everyone on the roster would have made a pile more money than they ended up doing. And you could still be making money off of some of those same guys!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2012 23:31:18 GMT -5
The Invasion could have started in 2002 with no problems at all. WCW guys like Booker, Kanyon, and DDP still could have debuted but they could have been brought in the same way the Radicalz were brought in.
In 2002 the invasion could have started at No Way Out when the nWo came back. The role Ric Flair played in the WWF after the invasion should have went to Eric Bischoff. Flair still could've come in and said that he was hired as the new Commissioner or something and Bischoff could have come in, told Vince that they were partners, and he could have led the invasion.
2002 could have seen Scott Hall, Nash, Bischoff, Hogan, Booker T. DDP, Kanyon, Scott Steiner, Lance Storm, etc all come in and really invade. The WCW invasion story line on WWE '12 is the way it should've been just tweaked a little bit (replace Arn Anderson's comeback with Steiner coming in and cleaning house.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 6:25:54 GMT -5
Yeah I think we can all agree that the Invasion should, or at least could have been the greatest angle in the history of wrestling. I read somewhere (possibly the last chapter of WrestleCrap's The Death of WCW) that based on the gross from the Invasion PPV alone, they could have covered the cost of Hogan, Hall, Nash, Goldberg, Sting and Flair's contracts -- which they said were too expensive to take on and allowed to remain under AOL/Time Warner. It's crazy that the first PPV could have been: ! yeah it was Death Of WCW man.great read isnt it? I still say he should have held the nWo in reserve.the nWo angle should have started the night after WM18(when the my Invasion Angle finished) Vince comes out an Raw to celebrate his victory and Bischoff,Hogan,Hall and Nash come out and beat the snot out of him spraypaint his back and get the hell out of dodge. Steiner,Goldberg and Flair were enough IMO to make it a monster.we seen the numbers for what Vince presented..... imagine if the ME of Invasion had been Goldberg and Steiner vs Rock and Austin?Jesus Vince left some serious money on the table here. and again the Locker room was paid on a sliding scale.the introduction of these dudes would have drove numbers through the roof so EVERYONE would have got great money. he should have trimmed half the jobbers out of the Alliance and had more big names. imagine the $$$ The Dudleys vs the Steiners would have drawn in 2001?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2012 7:15:09 GMT -5
another guy they had and totally wasted was Lance Storm.he could have been built to be a great opponent for Kurt Angle.....
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2012 15:18:07 GMT -5
What if Sid never got a compound fracture? Would he have been in the invasion angle? we can look back now and definately say it depends on his contract.he would have been another good addition though.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 15:19:21 GMT -5
Who says Jeff Jarret would have signed back with WWF at the time? Plus after the stunt he pulled with Vince I don't have singed him anyways, Jarret was never a draw, they didn't need him
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Post by T R W on May 22, 2012 9:51:55 GMT -5
Whenever I think of the Invasion all I can ever think is "missed opportunity."
They buried everyone on the non-WWE side, so they never even posed a legit threat. It was kind of painful to watch, as a fan of WCW for so long.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2012 6:21:25 GMT -5
Whenever I think of the Invasion all I can ever think is "missed opportunity." They buried everyone on the non-WWE side, so they never even posed a legit threat. It was kind of painful to watch, as a fan of WCW for so long. and ya see that showed in the ratings.......loyal WCW fans and fans who were fans of BOTH and hooked on this angle knew after Summerslam that Vince was on some kind of ego trip fuelled by the idiocy of his new boss of creative the Billion $$ Boobjob Stephanie and there was gonna be no meat on those storyline bones.
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Post by YES! YES! YES! on May 28, 2012 8:17:04 GMT -5
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Post by Mr. Orange on Jun 4, 2012 14:29:06 GMT -5
Rereading The Death of WCW and watched the InVasion main event the other night. I honestly cannot believe with the pops Austin got coming out that Monday before and at the PPV that they still turned him heel. To be honest, I don't think he ever rebounded from that. When he turned face back at the end of 2001 he wasn't really at the level he used to be. He had the What chant that got huge but he/it wasn't... the same. It was just a different vibe, its hard to put it. At least in my opinion. Should have kept him face.
The whole thing, like that book said based on the gross of InVasion alone would have covered the deals of some big guys. Hell, they didn't have to bring them in all at once. You don't want to give it all away the first show anyway. They could have done it as a slow burn kind of thing to see how they'd draw. Probably pay off the contracts of Hall/Nash with one big PPV match just involving them as the headline, then bring in Hogan or someone else when they lose steam a bit, you know?
InVasion in that sense could have just been something like Austin/Angle/Undertaker/Kane vs. Hall/Nash/Booker T/DDP. Then when WCW was about to lose, insert a debuting Goldberg's spear on Angle and there ya go. Then you got even more momentum. Wrestlemania 18 could have been WCW vs. WWF main events like Hogan/Rock, Flair/Triple H, Austin/Goldberg. Such a shame. Such a shame it never happened.
Biggest botch in wrestling history was this angle. All likely due to ego.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2012 5:00:05 GMT -5
1 million% due to ego.theres no other explanation for it.
according to The Outsiders shoot I think both were happy enough to wait out their contract.but as said previously Flair,Goldberg and Steiner were all willing to talk turkey.
and again Vinces argument that it would have upset the locker room doesnt hold out.WWE talent are paid on a sliding scale.the introduction of Goldberg and Steiner to the plot would have meant MONSTEROUS business......thus everyones $$ would have increased.
and yeah turning Austin heel was a collossal error.undoubtedly one of Vinces top 3 worst booking decisions
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Post by | NLS™ | on Jun 10, 2012 16:11:07 GMT -5
Hollywood Hogan, Scott Steiner, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash should have come back during this time period. Scotty may have been hurt and if thats the case then X him out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2012 17:20:10 GMT -5
Hollywood Hogan, Scott Steiner, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash should have come back during this time period. Scotty may have been hurt and if thats the case then X him out. This. This could've kept the nWo alive instead of the crap it turned into. The Invasion angle should've had more...much more. While it was a bit exciting, it ended up being more of a let down. Too much talent wasted.
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Post by WWF Sim Fed on Jul 14, 2012 14:01:27 GMT -5
InVasion was awesome. Gotta love the Austin turn whether it worked or not. Nice swerve. Also taking over the Alliance.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jul 16, 2012 20:51:22 GMT -5
InVasion was awesome. Gotta love the Austin turn whether it worked or not. Nice swerve. Also taking over the Alliance. Wasn't really a swerve considering Austin had been a heel since WM17 and we all knew his "face turn" was a trick. I liked the idea of Austin as a heel after WM17, but leading the Alliance made absolutly zero sense considering we all knew Austin's real hatred for WCW. Jericho and Big Show turning heel would have made way more sense and made things more interesting IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2012 5:36:51 GMT -5
I have said this many times but of Jericho had turned on Team WWF at Invasion it would have made him a top tier player overnight.and yeah bringing back Shopw for this Angle and renaming him Giant would have worked too.
and Austin turning heel at Invasion was anything but awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 19:06:34 GMT -5
I just watched Guest Booker:Cornette rebooks the Invasion.........Jesus I nearly wet myself with excitement.Cornette himself gets super excited.
the melancholy about what might have been will soon follow.BAH!!!!
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Aug 27, 2012 12:42:54 GMT -5
I think this had the potential to be so awesome. But WWE cut it's legs off because except for having Austin join the Alliance, they never really did anything that would get the Alliance over.
I know Vince McMahon didn't want to have WCW and ECW talent go over his own homegrown WWF guys....but it would have made for much better TV if the Alliance had won, and then had Vince McMahon had to get a group of guys and rally back to eventually re-take his company.
I don't argue that the WWF should have won. In the end, that was the only logical ending. But to have the Alliance basically lose on it's first shot and then that's it....there was just no juice to the angle. I think it would have been much more satisfying and better if they had made the Alliance seem like an actual threat to WWF instead of just a joke.
But again....I realize how hard it was for the bookers to even make the Alliance seem important because you were basically having a group of WCW guys WITHOUT any of the actual stars of WCW!
No Hogan. No Sting. No Goldberg. No Macho Man. No Hall. No Nash. No Jarrett. No Flair. No Luger. No Steiner.
They were basically asking Booker T to carry the whole thing, and then they added Austin to try and give it some wheels, but once that happened it was all about Austin and not WCW.
And the ECW guys were good if you had watched and remembered the real ECW...but they weren't main stream or popular enough to carry it.
They did drop the ball with Austin vs. Tazz though. They teased it for weeks and the crowd would go nuts...but then they just dropped it for some reason.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 20:59:44 GMT -5
yeah Vince never looked at the big picture here.look at his red hot ratings at the start.......by Summerslam 2001 they were falling off because people knew WCW were to be treated as jobbers....there was no excitement left.
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