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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Dec 9, 2012 19:22:53 GMT -5
The whole thing was one sided. Even though having the ECW guys join with WCW was great, the sides were still unequal. Instead of turning Austin, they should have turned Jericho and Big Show IMO. That would've given the Alliance side two big names that actually made sense. Personally, there's a couple of things I would've liked to of seen happen: 1. Even though I just mentioned I loved the ECW guys joining the Alliance, I think it would've been great to see those guys get tired of see the 'E guys and WCW guys go at it and feel like both sides are just using them for their benefit. So they band together and take on EVERYONE. They had the majority of major ECW guys so it would've worked. A stable with RVD, Raven, Dreamer, Tazz, Dudleys and Rhyno could've been a SERIOUS threat. 2. I wouldn't of brought in everyone from WCW right off the bat like most people wished would have happened. But I do think they should've of ponied up the money and at least brought in a few. First off, I would've dropped the whole DDP stalker thing and instead have Scott Steiner come through the crowd and take out the Undertaker. The next week, Taker is in the ring and calls out Steiner and says this is his yard and no one drops in like that and attacks him from behind. He tells Scott to be a man and come and fight him face to face. Scott comes into the ring and asks if Taker wants another beating like he got last week. Taker gets in his face and they go at it. Taker starts getting the best of him when from out of nowhere, Rick Steiner slides in the ring and knocks taker out with a chair. Kane finally comes running out to save Taker but it's too late. And right there you have an already built in very personal feud going into Invasion. Taker and Kane vs. the Steiners. So here's how my Invasion main event would have looked (added an extra person to each team as well: Austin/Angle/Taker/Kane/Hardys vs. Jericho/Big Show/Booker T/DDP/Steiners (notice how there's no ECW guys in the match and how I mentioned earlier about them feeling like they were being used? Well... here's where that comes in...) Then during that match is when the ECW revolt starts. RVD comes out throws Jericho a chair and everyone thinks he's there to help the Alliance, nope, Jericho gets a Van Daminator for his troubles. The rest of the ECW guys rush the ring and take out both sides. The next night on Raw the ECW group comes out and says what I've mentioned about both sides using them and how it's not about the WWF or WCW, it's about THEM now. They proved they can take out anyone or anything. This would set up a triple threat multiple faction main event for the next PPV as well. How the writers couldn't come up with something resembling that, or at least something better that what we actually got, I'll never know. I like it up to the the Survivor Series Match. Putting Jericho in the Alliance would make less sense than putting Austin in the Alliance. At that point Austin had gotten over the fact that the WCW fired him. Jericho on the other hand still has quite the hate for WCW as he didn't like that they were going to have Goldberg squash him. Also the Hardyz weren't very big at the time and wouldn't of fit. I see this as a better team: Team WWF (Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Rock, Chris Jericho, and The Brothers of Destruction) vs. Team WCW (Booker T, Kurt Angle (so that their is still a defector), DDP, and The Steiners) Also if they had a match with ECW Team WWF (Eddie Guerrero, Dean Malenko, Big Show, and the Hardyz) vs. Team ECW (Taz, RVD, Raven, and the Dudleys)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2012 12:57:34 GMT -5
nothing in the history of Pro wrestling will ever make less sense than Austin joining the Alliance.it will be rubbish forever more!!
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Post by Captain McKay on Jan 15, 2013 23:09:53 GMT -5
After reading through this thread, I sought out Cornette's shoot on how he would have booked the Invasion. And dear God, it was beautiful. Why WWE didn't do anything like that (or anything AT ALL, for that matter) is beyond me.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Feb 16, 2013 16:58:40 GMT -5
The Invasion was epic to a 8 year old kid. It was a missed oppertunity but I have very fond memories.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2013 18:00:15 GMT -5
The Invasion was epic to a 8 year old kid. It was a missed oppertunity but I have very fond memories. I was 21 and when it started I was like a 8 year old with excitement......all that changed after Invasion though.....Austin going heel killed it dead for me.that and the wholesale slaughter of Booker and DDP.
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Mar 15, 2013 15:58:03 GMT -5
Here's a little something to liven this thread up; King Of The Ring 2001, how great was this show? It was the real start of the Invasion, DDP had been revealed just 6 days earlier, and Booker T debuted here in amazing fashion. Every match was solid and the whole Jericho/Benoit leaving WWE for WCW thing that surrounded the whole show was simply incredible. Though this was the show that Austin got injured and would be out for about 5 weeks, and Benoit was sidelined for a whole year. If Benoit hadn't have broke his neck, man inagine how big he would have gotten, him and Jericho were almost certainly switching to WCW I believe, this would have made these guys HUGE!
Plus, unreleated to all of KOTR stuff, how the hell would have Triple H fit in? Back then WWE planned ahead, you have to believe they had some idea of what his role would have been, so yea, anyone ever heard what it might have been?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2013 18:48:59 GMT -5
I firmly believe this was Vinces chance to make Jericho a 1# heel.but Vince wasnt interested in making anyone during this feud.
Mike Awesome-zero chance because of heat with Heyman and ex ECW talent that chose WWF.
Lance Storm:there was potential here.he could have been marketed as WCWs answer to Kurt Angle
Jericho could and should have been the one to turn on WWF.
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Mar 15, 2013 18:57:31 GMT -5
I firmly believe this was Vinces chance to make Jericho a 1# heel.but Vince wasnt interested in making anyone during this feud. Mike Awesome-zero chance because of heat with Heyman and ex ECW talent that chose WWF. Lance Storm:there was potential here.he could have been marketed as WCWs answer to Kurt Angle Jericho could and should have been the one to turn on WWF. Now I agree that WCW was handled pretty poorly (but at the time I was fine with it, I was like 10 and it was the best thing ever!!) But Jericho kinda did become the big heel because of the Invasion, yes it was through turning on Rock, but still, I honestly think that was an after thought and a revamp to the original idea which would have seen both Jericho and Benoit join and lead the Alliance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2013 19:09:41 GMT -5
he became a big heel for 2 months man.
after his victory at No Way Out against Austin he became Stephs sidekick and a total sidebar in the HHH vs Steph feud on the RTWM.absolutely shocking to see how the undisputed title was treated in its 1st and only WM build.
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Mar 15, 2013 19:27:18 GMT -5
I get what your saying, maybe it was just bad timing, the end of 2001/start of 2002 we had Taker turn, we had a huge amount of WCW/ECW talent, Austin got a second-wind and was going strong as a face again, the NWO came back in and the biggest thing; Triple H returned and EVERYONE loved him. Everyone had to get treated right, sure alot of the WCW guys didn't for a while or even at all for some.
I do agree that they should have thrown Jericho into the Alliance, would have been great, though he was major over as a face, it would have taken alot to turn him and not have fans cheer for the Alliance. What we got with Angle getting huge wasn't by any means bad though, he impressed me so much from this time, his match with Austin at SS was simply incredible!
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 16, 2013 19:02:51 GMT -5
if only Vince could've put his ego aside, and listened to actual wrestling people rather than his daughter, this angle could've covered years. just imagine if WCW and WWE were being run as the 2 separate brands like originally planned when the nWo came back in 2002. that would add a whole new dimension to it - who were they after,which brand were they trying to take over,and who would join them?
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Post by The IT Factor on May 15, 2013 13:59:00 GMT -5
Personally, I would've loved to see the main event of Survivor Series been this:
Team WCW: Sting, Goldberg, Ric Flair, DDP, Booker T
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Team WWF: Kurt Angle, Stone Cold, Chris Jericho, Undertaker, The Rock
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2013 11:47:40 GMT -5
Personally, I would've loved to see the main event of Survivor Series been this: Team WCW: Sting, Goldberg, Ric Flair, DDP, Booker T vs Team WWF: Kurt Angle, Stone Cold, Chris Jericho, Undertaker, The Rock Nice.mine would have been WWF:Austin,Rock,HHH,Undertaker & Kurt Angle vs WCW:Jericho,DDP,Booker T,Scott Steiner & Flair.this depends on DDP and Booker not being buried though. to this day I wouldn't have brought Sting in for the Invasion.if he was willing I would have waited and brought him in as a face after the angle ended.
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Post by cordless2016 on May 19, 2013 18:32:27 GMT -5
Found these two videos that basically sum up the Invasion storyline...
This took place a few days following the Invasion PPV. The second Shane, Steph, and Paul's music hit the fans let all of our frustrations known. It wasn't heel heat they were getting. It was legit "we hate this crap" heat. The fans signs say it all, w/ one saying "we paid to see the WWF" while another said "this all sucks." And its not like Vince or the WWF tried to make the WCW guys credible either. Hell when Booker T was making his entrance he was announced as a double champ but almost immediatly JR stated "he's not as good as he thinks he is...hes no Ric Flair" Obviously Booker isn't Ric Flair, but its not like he was just some bum off the streets. He was a credible champ from WCW who had some big, clean wins over guys like Scott Steiner and Goldberg. Instead of protraying him as that, the WWF continued to make him look like crap. RVD was literally the only star from WCW or ECW to come out of this crappy angle w/ his credibility not hurt much.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2013 4:33:47 GMT -5
"hes no Ric Flair"
this just sums up Vinces mentality here completely.he fed JR that line through the headset......such a telling insight.
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Post by cordless2016 on May 21, 2013 21:46:17 GMT -5
Its also crap how they had Booker simply hand the US Title over to Kanyon. Sure, the title was devalued by years of crap booking in WCW, but on Booker atleast it was on a credible champ when WCW closed. Hell, for as much as they jobbed and killed any credibility Booker had, having him drop the US Title to someone would have been far better than simply handing the title over to Kanyon.
Following the Invasion PPV (assuming all the crap booking to this point were kept in tact), I'd have had Booker successfully defend the WCW Title aginst Angle (due to Austin interference) instead of droping it to him like what ended up happening. I believe it was around this time that Booker also defended the WCW Title against Jericho on free TV, so I'd have had Booker drop the US Title to Jericho due to Rocky distracting him, which could help build towards the Rock/Booker WCW Title match at SummerSlam, while Jericho and Rhyno could feud over the US Title going into SummerSlam. My SummerSlam and Unforgiven cards would have been...
SummerSlam
WWF Title - Austin vs Angle - Keep the match as is. Great match were Austin literally beat the crap outta Angle yet couldn't beat him. I love this match. Austin retains by DQ.
WCW Title - Booker T vs The Rock - Booker successfully defends it due to distractions by Shane McMahon (Booker is a heel so it works). This way Booker keeps the title another month and atleast keeps some credibility before dropping the title to Rocky. Booker wins.
US Title - Jericho vs Rhyno - I enjoyed the feud and match they had, and would have kept it how it was. Jericho retains.
Tag Titles Unification- Bros of Destruction vs DDP/Kanyon - DDP's credibility had been flushed so far down the toilet that nothing could have saved him even by the Invasion PPV. Bros of Destruction win, but its atleast a competitive match, unlike the horrendous one sided fight we got.
Ladder Match/Hardcore Title - RVD vs Jeff Hardy - Not as good as their match from Invasion, but still good and I'd keep it the same. RVD retains.
IC Title - Edge vs Lance Storm - Again, a pretty decent match that did its job to get Edge over. Edge wins.
Unforgiven
WWF Title - Austin vs Angle - Keep the same. Anther great match between these two. Angle wins.
WCW Title - Booker T vs The Rock - Rocky wins but Booker looks credibile against him.
Hardcore match for both the Hardcore and US Titles - RVD vs Jericho - Another enjoyable but forgotten match. These two put on a good show. RVD goes over and takes both titles.
Unified Tag Titles - Bros of Destruction vs Test and Rhyno - I enjoyed Test and Rhyno during the whole Alliance crap, and would have liked to have seen them work together (Imagine how awsome a GORE!!!! and Test's big boot would look at the same time). Test and Rhyno take the tag titles.
IC Title - Edge vs Lance Storm - They put on good matches so I would have kept Storm in the picture to keep him relevent. Edge retains.
Euro Title - Christian vs Bradshaw - Christian is still a face, but slowly going heel and this title win helps push that heel turn further. Christian wins.
Follwoing this more major changes than what we got. At No Mercy, I'd have pulled the trigger on RVD's massive popularity and have had him win the triple threat match for the WWF Title, making him a triple champion (major credibility for him). Jericho would have also have won the WCW Title against Rocky like he did, making RVD and Jericho the top champs going into the end of 2001.
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Post by JC Motors on Oct 31, 2013 10:56:23 GMT -5
This got me thinking, When Vince bought WCW, why couldn't they sign certain wrestlers such as Berlyn?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 11:23:43 GMT -5
This got me thinking, When Vince bought WCW, why couldn't they sign certain wrestlers such as Berlyn? there was a LOT of talent they didn't want man.I think Berlyn may have been one of those.....
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Post by JC Motors on Oct 31, 2013 11:26:16 GMT -5
This got me thinking, When Vince bought WCW, why couldn't they sign certain wrestlers such as Berlyn? there was a LOT of talent they didn't want man.I think Berlyn may have been one of those..... Did he ever get a figure of the Berlyn gimmick or as Alex Wright
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 11:36:36 GMT -5
there was a LOT of talent they didn't want man.I think Berlyn may have been one of those..... Did he ever get a figure of the Berlyn gimmick or as Alex Wright nope he didn't ever get a figure.I have all the unique guys that were released by TB and he wasn't amongst them. on the topic of him being signed by WWF,he was under an AOL Time Warner contract and wasn't actually desired by Vince and co unlike others under those lucrative contracts.
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