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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 16:19:46 GMT -5
Not even close and they're heading the wrong way
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 16:22:29 GMT -5
Headscans... NO Attire/Deco YES In scale/More accurate YES
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Post by Browser Brody on Jun 14, 2016 16:28:37 GMT -5
Anyone know how many different characters Jakks gave us in the RA/CS line? At the moment, Mattel has given us 233 different characters with 3 more available for pre-order (Appolo Crews, Braun Strowman, the Shockmaster). So, 236. That has to be getting close to what Jakks did during their run, right?
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Post by Bandalero on Jun 14, 2016 16:32:31 GMT -5
wrestling - action - figures.
Soak that in for a bit and reflect on it guys.
I don't care if Jakks had better head scans here and there, I don't buy a wrestling action figure to look at his face only. And yes Mattel screwed up Sting's face in my opinion.
Thunder-thighs Jakks figures couldn't even be positioned in an acceptable boston crab position, Mattels can.
Wrestling action figures should be able to be positioned in the most basic of wrestling moves.
Now add general attention to scale and names Jakks couldn't even produce like Macho, Von Erichs, and Steamboat
Mattel has done far better than I could imagine. I have almost 60+ unique figures on display and proud of it. QC might be slipping but overall they outperformed Jakks.
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Jun 14, 2016 22:48:55 GMT -5
wrestling - action - figures. Soak that in for a bit and reflect on it guys. I don't care if Jakks had better head scans here and there, I don't buy a wrestling action figure to look at his face only. And yes Mattel screwed up Sting's face in my opinion. Thunder-thighs Jakks figures couldn't even be positioned in an acceptable boston crab position, Mattels can. Wrestling action figures should be able to be positioned in the most basic of wrestling moves. Now add general attention to scale and names Jakks couldn't even produce like Macho, Von Erichs, and Steamboat Mattel has done far better than I could imagine. I have almost 60+ unique figures on display and proud of it. QC might be slipping but overall they outperformed Jakks. Agreed
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Post by Captain McKay on Jun 14, 2016 23:15:41 GMT -5
wrestling - action - figures. Soak that in for a bit and reflect on it guys. I don't care if Jakks had better head scans here and there, I don't buy a wrestling action figure to look at his face only. And yes Mattel screwed up Sting's face in my opinion. Thunder-thighs Jakks figures couldn't even be positioned in an acceptable boston crab position, Mattels can. Wrestling action figures should be able to be positioned in the most basic of wrestling moves.Now add general attention to scale and names Jakks couldn't even produce like Macho, Von Erichs, and Steamboat Mattel has done far better than I could imagine. I have almost 60+ unique figures on display and proud of it. QC might be slipping but overall they outperformed Jakks. Guess I'll wait for the SH Figuarts so I can finally pose a proper sleeper hold But for the OP, it depends on what you like. I prefer the Mattel Elite over the Jakks Deluxe figures due to proportion and general aesthetic. Jakks, by and large, had more accurate heads on their figures (Mattel hasn't been able to match Classic Superstars Rock, or the HBK from the Screwjob/2 Dudes head scan, Bret's first CS, among many others). If you like your wrestlers to be caricaturish, larger-than-life representations, then Jakks is your go-to. Hands down. If you're more about accuracy, and don't mind the occasional "passable" head sculpt, then Mattel wins it by a landslide.
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Post by SteveHulk on Jun 15, 2016 0:15:53 GMT -5
Not even close and they're heading the wrong way ...Mattel aren't even close to Jakks...?
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Post by Mox on Jun 15, 2016 0:22:48 GMT -5
When did an exaggerated body mold become a crime against action figures? I actually like an exaggerated style. When did 100% accurate figures become the only acceptable kind of wrestling figure?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 1:09:45 GMT -5
*Intense Until mattel makes Steve Austin hands with the middle fingers up, Jakks R3 Tech wins. Stare*
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Jun 15, 2016 1:27:40 GMT -5
Overall yes, but there are guys that Jakks knocked out of the park consistently that Mattel completely bungled. Jakks also managed to get classic Hogan and Hollywood out of the way in the same series, and the next was 2002 Hogan with the Undisputed belt three series later. The three guys I'm most pissed at Mattel about are Hogan (obviously), RVD (only managed one elite, and it's not that great, and maybe one or two basics. I expected a ton of awesome RVDs), and Edge (good thing I still have my Cody Rhodes paper bag!), and Jakks nailed all three repeatedly.
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Post by gawd6sic6™ on Jun 15, 2016 1:28:41 GMT -5
When did an exaggerated body mold become a crime against action figures? I actually like an exaggerated style. When did 100% accurate figures become the only acceptable kind of wrestling figure? Personally, when it looks nothing like the person it's supposed to be. Rey mysterio being as tall and as muscular as batista.... If it's a super hero figure or heman, be as exaggerated as you want.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Jun 15, 2016 1:30:56 GMT -5
When did an exaggerated body mold become a crime against action figures? I actually like an exaggerated style. When did 100% accurate figures become the only acceptable kind of wrestling figure? Some people on here prefer RAs because theyre big and thick. Personally I wouldnt touch RAs because I dont like the overall aesthetic. Shiny finish, roided arms on everyone, limited pose ability, lack of detail on tattoos or gear. I really prefer the various body part molds, matte finish, attention to detail that Mattel has. The only thing I believe Jakks did better was washes on hair/jeans and like a handful of heads. When people say that Jakks mostly had better sculpts I dont understand. Flashback HHH, Edge, Masked Kane. Thats about it as far as im concerned. You can say Bret, but WM30 and e43 are great....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 1:40:56 GMT -5
I started collected classic superstars. I bought Paul bearer...... Got him out and stood him next to the undertaker ..... He f'in taller than the taker !!!!!! So I swapped to Mattel elite. Both lines have cool figures tho and both have crap figures , Mattel does have some dodgy headscans but the rest is better imo
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Post by SteveHulk on Jun 15, 2016 3:00:07 GMT -5
The three guys I'm most pissed at Mattel about are Hogan (obviously), RVD (only managed one elite, and it's not that great, and maybe one or two basics. I expected a ton of awesome RVDs) Yeah, it's really disappointing that we only ever had one Elite RVD... I was hoping for at least a Flashback version too - and something like a RSC exclusive One Night Only RVD (with both belts) would have been great too.
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Post by Bandalero on Jun 15, 2016 5:49:15 GMT -5
About the only thing I would fault Mattel for is their slow turnaround. I'm not a toy manufacturing guru or anything but I do find it hard to believe that it takes a minimum of 10 months from design to retail in 2016. The boats from China would eat up maybe 1-2 months shipping by sea...I don't know. But Mattel could have been minting money with more versions of RVD and Rick Rude to name a few wrestlers who had an abundance of different wrestling gear. To me we're talking straight up repaints which seems like an easy cash grab for Mattel. What else are they doing with those head molds?
To answer Haggar above (fan of your stop motion by the way) Jakks balloon arms couldn't do a simple sleeper hold either. Matters have a better range of motion with this legs, I can actually do some kind of figure four that would make RA Ric Flair jealous.
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Post by CampCornette on Jun 15, 2016 6:28:31 GMT -5
Not even close and they're heading the wrong way This is a joke right
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Post by the franchise on Jun 15, 2016 8:38:04 GMT -5
In terms of character variety the answer would be no. If were are talking about ease in finding stuff the answer would also be no. Just because something is different doesn't mean it is better or worse. They are still just cheaply manufactured toys. Nothing more.
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Post by Browser Brody on Jun 15, 2016 9:45:51 GMT -5
In terms of character variety the answer would be no. If were are talking about ease in finding stuff the answer would also be no. Just because something is different doesn't mean it is better or worse. They are still just cheaply manufactured toys. Nothing more. mattel will beat jakks in character variety by the time its all said and done too. by my count, jakks wwe line gave us 314 different characters in the ra/cs form (plus whatever we got in the tna, ufc, and rocky lines). mattel has already given us 236.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Jun 15, 2016 16:45:03 GMT -5
I went back and noticed questions about what scans Jakks did better: Hogan RVD Bearer Edge (all day, still not a good one from Mattel) Michaels (see Edge) Windham Bundy Matt Hardy Vince (Mattel's is OK, Jakks is stellar Rikishi (terrible figure, great head. Opposite of the Mattel. Actually the R3 was one of the best likenesses ever) Foley (Mattel - good, Jakks - perfect) Jericho (the ponytail, the mid length hair, and the spikey hair with the goatee, all perfect. Mattel, only the first is passable, the Bon Jovi one just looks weird) Debut Undertaker (2 pack with Bearer, both flawless) Goldust (Raw X is a perfect head, Mattel's best is E29, but the expression is weird) Crush (Jakks - excellent, Mattel - yowza) Batista (E33 is OK, but Jakks Batistas were all good) JBL Tito Shango Piper I could probably think of more.
There are others where Mattel has done a good job, but I'd give Jakks the edge. Flair for instance, Mattel's are fine, Jakks are slightly better, just slightly.
That's not to say that Mattel hasn't done better on some, like Cena, Orton, Carlito, Yoko, Lesnar, and Kofi. Some that Jakks never got like Del Rio have been consistently perfect. This doesn't change the fact that I think Mattel overall is miles ahead, but the head scan argument holds water.
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Post by Captain McKay on Jun 15, 2016 22:11:14 GMT -5
About the only thing I would fault Mattel for is their slow turnaround. I'm not a toy manufacturing guru or anything but I do find it hard to believe that it takes a minimum of 10 months from design to retail in 2016. The boats from China would eat up maybe 1-2 months shipping by sea...I don't know. But Mattel could have been minting money with more versions of RVD and Rick Rude to name a few wrestlers who had an abundance of different wrestling gear. To me we're talking straight up repaints which seems like an easy cash grab for Mattel. What else are they doing with those head molds? To answer Haggar above (fan of your stop motion by the way) Jakks balloon arms couldn't do a simple sleeper hold either. Matters have a better range of motion with this legs, I can actually do some kind of figure four that would make RA Ric Flair jealous.Don't get me wrong, both RA and Basics have very limited posing options as far as wrestling moves. DA and Elite do a lot better in terms of leg holds and stuff (Figure Four, Sharpshooter, etc) but the limited elbow range and no butterfly joints make a lot of basic wrestling moves impossible. It's funny, Jakks TTL figures had WAY better leg range using the same hip/knee/ankle joint combo, but they were positioned much better. Then RA came around and made it worse, while improving the arms by adding the bicep/shoulder swivel. Don't want people to think that I'm complaining at all. I really like Mattel's figures, and I have a fondness for a lot of my old Jakks ones also. I don't think people need to pick one over the other in terms of which is "better," since it's more about preference. Also, glad you like my videos Appreciate you watching!
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