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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 16, 2016 11:30:06 GMT -5
I know I have been that Pro-Mattel lately. This is not one of those go go Mattel posts, or Leave Bill alone posts. But more so a question as of Mattel's products meeting the consumers where they feel happy with its over all value. Mattel's Elite line is my main consern. We can filter in the DM's, RSC Exclusives, and other retail exclusives as a whole since they are Elites.
What has me asking this question, is Hasbro's Marvel Legends line. At a MSRP of $19.99, each character for the most past is loaded with deco ( paint apps) and has a decent helping of accessories. Some are even quite literally loaded down with additional pieces, heres lookin at you Deadpool! How can anyone honestly argue that a $20-$24 Mattel Elite can be considered a bargain against one of Hasbro's Marvel Legends figure. You can't argue articulation, because Hasbro offers more. You can't argue Paint Apps because Hasbro wins there too. Hasbro has even increased their quality.
I am getting to a point where Mattel just isnt worth money for me personally. We lost soft goods with a very very rare resurgence. We have a current roster that only has like a 47% presentation in Elite styling.
So, where do you all stand on this? At what point can you justify spending more for less in a area of $20 figures?
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Post by ZDB on Jul 16, 2016 11:32:05 GMT -5
I just cut down on current figures. Focusing on flashbacks and customs.
I had a look in the mirror moment where I realized I had no reason to spend $20 on a main roster Neville
The product quality going down coupled with how bad the TV product is makes for an ugly combo
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Post by PJ on Jul 16, 2016 11:33:27 GMT -5
It is all about what it cost the toy companies for the master licenses. Plus ML figures are smaller than an Elite figures so the Elites use more plastic.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 16, 2016 11:36:46 GMT -5
It is all about what it cost the toy companies for the master licenses. Plus ML figures are smaller than an Elite figures so the Elites use more plastic. Generally. But look at characters like Thor who is massive. There was no seperate release at a mark up for a larger figure, it stayed in its selected wave at the same retail price. |
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Post by el torro on Jul 16, 2016 11:40:42 GMT -5
I stopped collecting Mattel's after E29 and have since moved on to Marvel legends. And they are so much better to me at least. Like you said, tons more to get from as far as accessories. While some figured may lack some deco, it's made up for it because each figure pretty much has their own sculpt which is something Mattel doesn't do. I don't know, I just prefer collecting ML now than when I did Mattel.
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Post by legendsguy on Jul 16, 2016 11:46:39 GMT -5
im guessing they have more money dedicated to that line, Bill always says the budget decreases so this is the results of that as we all see. I agree though Mattel has a descion to make going fwd, because i have seen alot of folks not happy lately. more than i ever have. and i havent been estatic about some of the recent releases either. I think we need some of the sublines to be consolidated into the elite line like people have said for years..the zombies , the flexforeces, the CAW, i just think of these lines as money that could be installed in the elites and basics.
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Post by MR._SOCKO on Jul 16, 2016 11:46:55 GMT -5
I have drastically cut down on the amount of stuff I buy over the past few months. It's just not as fun when you have to carefully inspect every single figure you want to buy. Plus ML figures are smaller than an Elite figures so the Elites use more plastic. I don't know about that, man. Figures like Thor and Hulk are pretty big. Even guys like Sentry, Venom, Bulldozer are pretty thick. They all come with build-a-figure parts and accessories too. |
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Post by PJ on Jul 16, 2016 11:51:42 GMT -5
But they aren't all in the same wave. Plus many times you also get a couple female figures in those sets who are even smaller. And while we're didn't get accessories we got BAF in every wave of DCUC which were $15 at the start of the line and about $20 at the end.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 16, 2016 11:52:34 GMT -5
We have a current roster that only has like a 47% presentation in Elite styling. What does this mean? |
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Jul 16, 2016 11:55:06 GMT -5
I have drastically cut down on the amount of stuff I buy over the past few months. It's just not as fun when you have to carefully inspect every single figure you want to buy. Plus ML figures are smaller than an Elite figures so the Elites use more plastic. I don't know about that, man. Figures like Thor and Hulk are pretty big. Even guys like Sentry, Venom, Bulldozer are pretty thick. They all come with build-a-figure parts and accessories too. MLs also reuse molds A LOT. Someome like Deadpool wouldve been the budget hog for that new Xmem wave with all the weapons and molds. But then there are all the other figures with reused molds that come with the equivalent of a WWE elite "fan sign." |
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Jul 16, 2016 11:56:42 GMT -5
We have a current roster that only has like a 47% presentation in Elite styling. What does this mean? only 47% of the roster have elite figures. For me I stopped collecting elites when the price went up to nearly £20 and the accessories quite dropped. I get that accessories cost money and Mattel are trying to cheapen up accessories so they can still be included in the elite range but if the accessory quality goes down why does the price go up? Combine that with (often) poor quality control it's not worth my money. I still collect basics as I can often fix up figures as the parts are cheaper than elite. |
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 16, 2016 11:57:30 GMT -5
We have a current roster that only has like a 47% presentation in Elite styling. What does this mean? That we don't have elite figures of talent that have been on the current roster. Some that have been on TV for years with only Basic representation. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2016 11:57:50 GMT -5
The durability between wwe and ml is not comparable.
The basic marvel legends (not thor or hulk, or the bigger guys) just feel light and more fragile.
They have great articulation, but feel like they might break when moving them around.
And as pat said, licenses are a big part of pricing, as well as the manufacturer.
Diamond selects on the other hand...are perfect and a great price too
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Post by PJ on Jul 16, 2016 12:00:36 GMT -5
That is because some of the roster a majority of the consumer market wouldn't be willing to spend $20 so they get basics and BP's.
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Post by 'Exotic' Adrian Street on Jul 16, 2016 12:00:58 GMT -5
Also ML come with a BAF piece too. Most of the time even if you don't want it you can recoup $3 or $4 out of your purchase
I'm like some of the others on here. I have tried and tried to have Mattels back on most of their 'issues' but it is almost blantet like they don't care. The QC has gotten horrible, they don't care about making their consumers feel like they are getting their money's worth on DM's, they treat their lineups like its top, top secret info (& sounds like a whining child when something leaks that they don't want to).
You're missing the biggest name, BUT you've got other big names. Pump them out and quit stalling and stalling. This taking years to get out Elite Stings, Diesels, Flairs, Pipers, (proper) FB Jericho, Legend Killer, is really putting me off the line. And imagine there are others who feel the same way. I have moved on to buying ML, DC, and SW BS. With a little Mattel WWE thrown in
I hope things improve but we shall see
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 16, 2016 12:04:23 GMT -5
That is because some of the roster a majority of the consumer market wouldn't be willing to spend $20 so they get basics and BP's. To me, thats another hit on over all value. This is a product where you can submerse yourseld in its universe. Basic and Elite are both platforms for that with different styles and prices. But that shouldn't stop the playability or range of characters. My universe is the Elite line. Why is it that tag team like Assencion and Prime Time Players are excluded? I'm a tag team kind of guy. Agian, Basics and Elites are two lines at a set msrp that both offer different playablity/possibility, but Basics seems to be where the broader roster is? Thats bullcrap to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2016 12:05:46 GMT -5
Aren't there only like 3-4 marvel legends sets per year?
Honest question
The reason I ask is because Mattel pumps out basics on a monthly basis and elites every other month. With the amount of figures being produced, that's gotta limit the overall budget for the line, making the per figure budget lower than the marvel per fig budget
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 16, 2016 12:06:07 GMT -5
only 47% of the roster have elite figures. I'd be interested in seeing how that figure was arrived at, because it seems very fishy. Are you sure it isn't something to do with representation of current attires or something? We're all aware that there's generally a 9-12 month lead time on new figures, and the only guys currently on the main roster who were on it 12 months ago that I can see who don't have elite figures are: Titus O'Neil Darren Young The Ascension That's definitely not 53% of the roster. So it seems like a very strange complaint. Everybody who doesn't have an elite figure falls into one of two categories: A) hasn't been around long enough yet, or B) hasn't been important enough yet. I'd definitely be interested in seeing the list of the 53% of the roster who should have an elite figure out yet and don't. |
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 16, 2016 12:12:15 GMT -5
only 47% of the roster have elite figures. I'd be interested in seeing how that figure was arrived at, because it seems very fishy. Are you sure it isn't something to do with representation of current attires or something? We're all aware that there's generally a 9-12 month lead time on new figures, and the only guys currently on the main roster who were on it 12 months ago that I can see who don't have elite figures are: Titus O'Neil Darren Young The Ascension That's definitely not 53% of the roster. So it seems like a very strange complaint. Everybody who doesn't have an elite figure falls into one of two categories: A) hasn't been around long enough yet, or B) hasn't been important enough yet. I'd definitely be interested in seeing the list of the 53% of the roster who should have an elite figure out yet and don't. Updated Heath Slater Updated Rowan Updated Curtis Axel Updated Micheal Cole Breeze Updated Fandango JBl Vince McMahon Lillian Garcia Bryan Saxton There are plenty there and I'm sure I'm missing some that need an update. |
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Post by PJ on Jul 16, 2016 12:15:30 GMT -5
That is because some of the roster a majority of the consumer market wouldn't be willing to spend $20 so they get basics and BP's. To me, thats another hit on over all value. This is a product where you can submerse yourseld in its universe. Basic and Elite are both platforms for that with different styles and prices. But that shouldn't stop the playability or range of characters. My universe is the Elite line. Why is it that tag team like Assencion and Prime Time Players are excluded? I'm a tag team kind of guy. Agian, Basics and Elites are two lines at a set msrp that both offer different playablity/possibility, but Basics seems to be where the broader roster is? Thats bullcrap to me. But we were told since day one that while they wanted to get to make everyone on the roster certain guys wouldn't get Elites, but all their lines were scaled to be in the same universe. So this shouldn't be a surprise six years into it. |
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