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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 16, 2016 12:18:57 GMT -5
To me, thats another hit on over all value. This is a product where you can submerse yourseld in its universe. Basic and Elite are both platforms for that with different styles and prices. But that shouldn't stop the playability or range of characters. My universe is the Elite line. Why is it that tag team like Assencion and Prime Time Players are excluded? I'm a tag team kind of guy. Agian, Basics and Elites are two lines at a set msrp that both offer different playablity/possibility, but Basics seems to be where the broader roster is? Thats bullcrap to me. But we were told since day one that while they wanted to get to make everyone on the roster certain guys wouldn't get Elites, but all their lines were scaled to be in the same universe. So this shouldn't be a surprise six years into it. I know. I fully understand that. I just hate it that the Elite line gets alienated because of star power. Looking back at all other major lines from WWE's figure past, its never been an issue.
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Post by PJ on Jul 16, 2016 12:20:01 GMT -5
Aren't there only like 3-4 marvel legends sets per year? Honest question The reason I ask is because Mattel pumps out basics on a monthly basis and elites every other month. With the amount of figures being produced, that's gotta limit the overall budget for the line, making the per figure budget lower than the marvel per fig budget They were, but now who knows what Hasbro is doing. It seems like now everything ML related is coming out at once. Yet the 6" Star Wars black hasn't really had any figures released since January. And most stores here haven't seen anything except the first two waves of the Force Awakens. I have yet to see anyone past the TFA Han Solo wave at anyplace other than WalGreens. TRU hasn't had anything since wave one Po, Chewbacca, etc.
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Post by vashts on Jul 16, 2016 13:29:45 GMT -5
I stopped collecting. It was a build up of them simply not caring and giving less for more money. Those DM Warriors and Sting were not DM worthy. Then coupled with that plastic jacket and face of sting, that was it.
Legends offers alternative heads and hands an accessories. Mattel, much like their DCUC line is not dead in my eyes. Last figure I bout was.......the Disappointing Sid without any belts.
Mattle's Multiverse figures do not sell, so you figure they should improve their products....but nope, Nattel seems like a poorly run company. What does that say about their declining WWE line. I mean WE ALL KNEW ZOMBIES WERE NOT THE ANSWER.
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Post by RV F'N D on Jul 16, 2016 14:42:46 GMT -5
They have gone from taking lots of my money to very little of it.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Jul 16, 2016 14:44:08 GMT -5
I won't buy another line. But I won't buy Mattel anymore either if I keep having a problem with quality
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Post by underoos on Jul 16, 2016 14:53:01 GMT -5
Here's a tip:
Don't buy Bo Dallas, Alberto del rio, or Adam Rose.elites and u should be good
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Post by Plastic Cowboy on Jul 16, 2016 14:58:37 GMT -5
Marvel legends will be nine waves a year going forward.
I do think elites should have build a figure parts, six figures a wave allows one to build a figure. Not suited guys either, sneak in lionheart Jericho, the warrior after WM V, every now and then throw in a manager. When authors of pain come out in an elite wave the Baf should be ellering.
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Post by LuisTX on Jul 16, 2016 15:07:32 GMT -5
I think we're talking about 2 completely different products here, the WWE product and the Marvel product. If I'm conflicted on whether or not to buy something, I never compare it to something else of the same type of product, meaning that if I'm not sure if I'm going to buy a particular car, I'm not going to compare it to a truck because I'm either interested in cars or I'm interested in trucks. This is the same situation, either you're a fan of WWE and its products, or you're not. So you shouldn't be comparing 2 different types of products.
Now as far as the money spent on WWE figures, you have to decide if you really want to own a $20-24 piece of plastic and what it means to you to own it. For me, I personally don't like how the Elite style figures have the cut in the stomach just so they can be positioned a certain way. So I only buy Elite style figures to get signed because Mattel puts them in some nice style packaging. But I personally am completely satisfied with buying Basics and opening them to display. It's a lot less hassle having to worry about the quality of the packaging, especially if you're buying sight unseen, they're cheaper, and look better from a presentation standpoint for my taste. I personally find that keeping Elite style figures MOC is better because of their price. I could not see myself buying as many Elite figures as I have Basics to open and display because of their price, so in that aspect, I understand what you're saying.
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Post by D.B.K. on Jul 16, 2016 15:14:14 GMT -5
Mattel's worst enemy right now is their own QC. I absolutely agree with you regarding The prices on elites they are way to high too. I am wrestling with myself lately to stop collecting all together.
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Post by East Coast on Jul 16, 2016 15:20:28 GMT -5
idk....apples to oranges imo.
you can only put so many paint apps on a guy in black underwear......compared to a comic book character.
Honestly i don't collect other lines. I do kinda keep an eye on other figures....and watch reviews of them. I see the same kinda of complaints we have w/ Mattel, made about Hasbro and their figures. Complaints about part re-use, part selection, face sculpts, distribution, QC, rereleases etc. Just watch a ShartimusPrime video.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2016 15:24:21 GMT -5
Hasbro's ML is above Elites for me. I'm really excited to get my shipment of the full Juggernaut BAF series. Their quality control is going way up, while Mattel's is going down. Mattel needs to do something about quality, or they will lose even more customers. Also, they have been producing some pretty weak heads and as of late.
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Post by PJ on Jul 16, 2016 15:45:11 GMT -5
Hasbro's ML is above Elites for me. I'm really excited to get my shipment of the full Juggernaut BAF series. Their quality control is going way up, while Mattel's is going down. Mattel needs to do something about quality, or they will lose even more customers. Also, they have been producing some pretty weak heads and as of late. Well, they finally addressed the Movie Captain America buck. Every one released until the Civil War figure had a very loose and wobbly left knee joint. But they need to address the comic Captain America body. I purchased three of the last one with the wolf head and all three have a left shoulder that scrapes the shoulder housing of the torso. And I have read any figure that uses that buck suffers from the same issue. But the worst was the Marvel Knights Punisher had a fused hip/upper thigh housing and the leg tore off. So I can't wait for the Walgreen's Punisher.
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Post by master of the WORLD! on Jul 16, 2016 15:48:57 GMT -5
I think the $19.99 is a good value for what they are but remember you're spending $20 so expect $20 worth of quality.
I see so many people complain about not being able to keep 9n dishing out $20 for the quality of what they're getting but $20 isint really a ton of money at all and for the most part the pricing is fine.
I personally have cut down in favor of higher end quality stuff though. Yeah I'm spending double but the quality is also double.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2016 15:56:19 GMT -5
Hasbro's ML is above Elites for me. I'm really excited to get my shipment of the full Juggernaut BAF series. Their quality control is going way up, while Mattel's is going down. Mattel needs to do something about quality, or they will lose even more customers. Also, they have been producing some pretty weak heads and as of late. Well, they finally addressed the Movie Captain America buck. Every one released until the Civil War figure had a very loose and wobbly left knee joint. But they need to address the comic Captain America body. I purchased three of the last one with the wolf head and all three have a left shoulder that scrapes the shoulder housing of the torso. And I have read any figure that uses that buck suffers from the same issue. But the worst was the Marvel Knights Punisher had a fused hip/upper thigh housing and the leg tore off. So I can't wait for the Walgreen's Punisher. That's false that any figure that uses the buck suffers from that issue. My Whirlwind doesn't have that. All the other figures on that buck have the problem though.
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Post by East Coast on Jul 16, 2016 16:13:11 GMT -5
as someone who doesn't collect Marvel Legends....its seems like they use the same mold for every figure
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Post by Iron Bison on Jul 16, 2016 16:44:22 GMT -5
Let's not forget (unless it's already been mentioned) ML uses the standard buck for a lot of their figures. Saving them tons of money on avoiding using new body molds. Yes, they do have unique characters with bigger torsos or bulkier parts but look at the figures that include the bigger BAF pieces, they come with a dude that uses the smaller standard buck just with painted on details.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 16, 2016 16:51:52 GMT -5
Let's not forget (unless it's already been mentioned) ML uses the standard buck for a lot of their figures. Saving them tons of money on avoiding using new body molds. Yes, they do have unique characters with bigger torsos or bulkier parts but look at the figures that include the bigger BAF pieces, they come with a dude that uses the smaller standard buck just with painted on details. Mattel follows the same practice. Sharing parts keeps tooling costs down , so that saved cost can transfer to additional sculpting cost, paint apps, or other options for that wave. Again, I am not comparing ML to WWE figures. I'm simply saying that $20 should be getting us more value similar to what Hasbro's ML line offers. Essentially more bang for the buck.
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Post by Vamp55 on Jul 16, 2016 17:00:10 GMT -5
Well, I (along with everyone else outside the us) pay a hell of a lot for figures then the collectors in the US when u factor in shipping etc. so I really need those figures spot on when I open up that box that has travelled around the world to me.
Is there a problem with QC? Yes, but if u think of the sheer numbers of figures Mattel make, I would suggest it is quite small. I think it seems larger on here because we are a concentrated group of "collectors", who think highly of what we collect.
Seems like the other issue is the "standard" of product and what is charged to the customer. The only way u are going to send any sort of message is by not buying the product. I for one, think the product is great. Not wihout fault, but well worth my money. I see Sting and Warrior DM used as the examples. Sure, warrior could have been in e44 and Macho in DM with full cloth jacket etc, but honestly the few $$$ between DM and elite is not going to change my life.
Later in the year many of u will have an alternative in the Figarts figures. Yes they will cost more, but it will be a nice comparison and provide u with some choice.
I really hope a company makes WWE in 1/6 soon. Super high end stuff. Or even 1/9, if u haven't seen the new Enterbay NBA figures they are awesome. And I think they would make great WWE figures.
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Post by mfnlgz on Jul 16, 2016 17:05:11 GMT -5
It's the good old bucky cap buck from way back when for most male Marvel legends until recently, which I personally wish they would throw into the ocean. But more sizes and shapes have been slowly introduced. I'm a big fan an collector of both the WWE Elite figures from mattel, and the Marvel Legends, and I have to agree that it is kind of like apples to oranges. Hasbro seems to have more creative control with the license (yikes, we're getting waves dedicated to X-men this year? AWESOME) but I don't know what the contract states. There was a problem a little bit ago with ML figures having painted on accessories (Hulkbuster wave Thundra stuck out to me as being weird ) and hasbro has listened... It's up to the toy companies to listen to their fan base. It's entirely only my opinion, but for me as a collector, I can't expect too much, since they are mass produced twenty dollar hunks of plastic, it would be nice to see us get our monies worth, especially since these are lines that carry a higher price point because of an appeal to older based collectors.
as a consumer it is always a privilege to voice dissent over perceived flaws in a product
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Post by poindizzle on Jul 16, 2016 17:15:01 GMT -5
They have gone from taking lots of my money to very little of it. Troof. I have curbed my appetite a lot. The figures are at an all time high for sculpting but a low for paint apps and accessories.
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