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Post by CampCornette on Jul 16, 2016 17:18:27 GMT -5
It is all about what it cost the toy companies for the master licenses. Plus ML figures are smaller than an Elite figures so the Elites use more plastic. I usually agree with you but we are talking minuscule amounts of plastic and sometimes not at all
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Post by elrey82 on Jul 16, 2016 17:20:23 GMT -5
I feel like now the plastic feels cheaper on the Marvel Legends compared to when they re-launched in 2012
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Post by CampCornette on Jul 16, 2016 17:21:09 GMT -5
Aren't there only like 3-4 marvel legends sets per year? Honest question The reason I ask is because Mattel pumps out basics on a monthly basis and elites every other month. With the amount of figures being produced, that's gotta limit the overall budget for the line, making the per figure budget lower than the marvel per fig budget You fail to mention the more they pump out the more they sell. You gotta spend money to make money. What other business would be able to use the argument "we make more figures on a tighter budget but pocket all the money"
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 16, 2016 18:18:55 GMT -5
Well, I (along with everyone else outside the us) pay a hell of a lot for figures then the collectors in the US when u factor in shipping etc. so I really need those figures spot on when I open up that box that has travelled around the world to me. Is there a problem with QC? Yes, but if u think of the sheer numbers of figures Mattel make, I would suggest it is quite small. I think it seems larger on here because we are a concentrated group of "collectors", who think highly of what we collect. Seems like the other issue is the "standard" of product and what is charged to the customer. The only way u are going to send any sort of message is by not buying the product. I for one, think the product is great. Not wihout fault, but well worth my money. I see Sting and Warrior DM used as the examples. Sure, warrior could have been in e44 and Macho in DM with full cloth jacket etc, but honestly the few $$$ between DM and elite is not going to change my life. Later in the year many of u will have an alternative in the Figarts figures. Yes they will cost more, but it will be a nice comparison and provide u with some choice. I really hope a company makes WWE in 1/6 soon. Super high end stuff. Or even 1/9, if u haven't seen the new Enterbay NBA figures they are awesome. And I think they would make great WWE figures. You know Storm Collectibles has a 1:6 Hulk Hogan releasing in September, as well as a 1/4 statue exclusive to Hulk Hogans website. They also stated a 80's and nWo 1:6 version are in the works. I can only assume that two factors are in play with future releases. Sales, and either them getting a deal with WWE or only getting with wrestlers that own their likeness rights. Bandai/Tamashii's S.H. Figuarts is really the only other option.
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Post by Vamp55 on Jul 16, 2016 19:41:55 GMT -5
Well, I (along with everyone else outside the us) pay a hell of a lot for figures then the collectors in the US when u factor in shipping etc. so I really need those figures spot on when I open up that box that has travelled around the world to me. Is there a problem with QC? Yes, but if u think of the sheer numbers of figures Mattel make, I would suggest it is quite small. I think it seems larger on here because we are a concentrated group of "collectors", who think highly of what we collect. Seems like the other issue is the "standard" of product and what is charged to the customer. The only way u are going to send any sort of message is by not buying the product. I for one, think the product is great. Not wihout fault, but well worth my money. I see Sting and Warrior DM used as the examples. Sure, warrior could have been in e44 and Macho in DM with full cloth jacket etc, but honestly the few $$$ between DM and elite is not going to change my life. Later in the year many of u will have an alternative in the Figarts figures. Yes they will cost more, but it will be a nice comparison and provide u with some choice. I really hope a company makes WWE in 1/6 soon. Super high end stuff. Or even 1/9, if u haven't seen the new Enterbay NBA figures they are awesome. And I think they would make great WWE figures. You know Storm Collectibles has a 1:6 Hulk Hogan releasing in September, as well as a 1/4 statue exclusive to Hulk Hogans website. They also stated a 80's and nWo 1:6 version are in the works. I can only assume that two factors are in play with future releases. Sales, and either them getting a deal with WWE or only getting with wrestlers that own their likeness rights. Bandai/Tamashii's S.H. Figuarts is really the only other option. Yep well aware of the 1/6 Hogan from Storm. It has been delayed many times, they reckon its so they can improve the "skin", as reports are on the Mike Tyson figures it cracked as soon as you moved the arms and legs etc. Wasn't aware of the 1/4 - ill have to check it. If they ever do pull the trigger and get the 1/6 license I am likely done with small scale figures. (maybe)..
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 16, 2016 19:44:08 GMT -5
You know Storm Collectibles has a 1:6 Hulk Hogan releasing in September, as well as a 1/4 statue exclusive to Hulk Hogans website. They also stated a 80's and nWo 1:6 version are in the works. I can only assume that two factors are in play with future releases. Sales, and either them getting a deal with WWE or only getting with wrestlers that own their likeness rights. Bandai/Tamashii's S.H. Figuarts is really the only other option. Yep well aware of the 1/6 Hogan from Storm. It has been delayed many times, they reckon its so they can improve the "skin", as reports are on the Mike Tyson figures it cracked as soon as you moved the arms and legs etc. Wasn't aware of the 1/4 - ill have to check it. If they ever do pull the trigger and get the 1/6 license I am likely done with small scale figures. (maybe).. They posted pics on Facebook of the inroved body. Its still seamless but it looks good. I'm worried about that rubber here in Florida. But the 1/4 is $249 with the option to have it autographed for an additional $107.
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Post by Vamp55 on Jul 16, 2016 19:51:51 GMT -5
Yep well aware of the 1/6 Hogan from Storm. It has been delayed many times, they reckon its so they can improve the "skin", as reports are on the Mike Tyson figures it cracked as soon as you moved the arms and legs etc. Wasn't aware of the 1/4 - ill have to check it. If they ever do pull the trigger and get the 1/6 license I am likely done with small scale figures. (maybe).. They posted pics on Facebook of the inroved body. Its still seamless but it looks good. I'm worried about that rubber here in Florida. But the 1/4 is $249 with the option to have it autographed for an additional $107. okay found it... Looks good. I don't know if I like Storm sculpting on statues. It looks too "neat" or "smooth". Ill have a think about it, $249 is a pretty good price for a 20+ inch statue, assuming it is full size and not a bust. Anyone else pulled the trigger on this?
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Post by Al_Snow_MotherF***ers on Jul 16, 2016 19:53:01 GMT -5
Sorry to any butthurts(some)
But if they start releasing more and more bull s*** figures then yes they can do better even at the beginning they were considered awesome figs the first elite legend kinds compared to some now Oneself step it up Mattel
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Jul 16, 2016 20:04:31 GMT -5
This is a great thread. I'm in the same boat. I've really been on a huge marvel legends kick. For the price point and everything we get its just more fun. Mattel's line has really been slacking and it's true u hear more bad than good lately. It feels like work to collect them as of late. Not to mention how the current product is lacking.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 16, 2016 20:10:38 GMT -5
This is a great thread. I'm in the same boat. I've really been on a huge marvel legends kick. For the price point and everything we get its just more fun. Mattel's line has really been slacking and it's true u hear more bad than good lately. It feels like work to collect them as of late. Not to mention how the current product is lacking. I agree. Its nice to have an actual discussion instead of arguments.
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Post by qdogg on Jul 16, 2016 20:14:21 GMT -5
they probably have to pay more in royalties to WWE than other lines
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jul 16, 2016 20:17:31 GMT -5
Well, I (along with everyone else outside the us) pay a hell of a lot for figures then the collectors in the US when u factor in shipping etc. so I really need those figures spot on when I open up that box that has travelled around the world to me. Is there a problem with QC? Yes, but if u think of the sheer numbers of figures Mattel make, I would suggest it is quite small. I think it seems larger on here because we are a concentrated group of "collectors", who think highly of what we collect. Seems like the other issue is the "standard" of product and what is charged to the customer. The only way u are going to send any sort of message is by not buying the product. I for one, think the product is great. Not wihout fault, but well worth my money. I see Sting and Warrior DM used as the examples. Sure, warrior could have been in e44 and Macho in DM with full cloth jacket etc, but honestly the few $$$ between DM and elite is not going to change my life. Later in the year many of u will have an alternative in the Figarts figures. Yes they will cost more, but it will be a nice comparison and provide u with some choice. I really hope a company makes WWE in 1/6 soon. Super high end stuff. Or even 1/9, if u haven't seen the new Enterbay NBA figures they are awesome. And I think they would make great WWE figures. You know Storm Collectibles has a 1:6 Hulk Hogan releasing in September, as well as a 1/4 statue exclusive to Hulk Hogans website. They also stated a 80's and nWo 1:6 version are in the works. I can only assume that two factors are in play with future releases. Sales, and either them getting a deal with WWE or only getting with wrestlers that own their likeness rights. Bandai/Tamashii's S.H. Figuarts is really the only other option. are these any good? I have one hot toys and loved it. Are they of the same quality?
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 16, 2016 20:43:22 GMT -5
You know Storm Collectibles has a 1:6 Hulk Hogan releasing in September, as well as a 1/4 statue exclusive to Hulk Hogans website. They also stated a 80's and nWo 1:6 version are in the works. I can only assume that two factors are in play with future releases. Sales, and either them getting a deal with WWE or only getting with wrestlers that own their likeness rights. Bandai/Tamashii's S.H. Figuarts is really the only other option. are these any good? I have one hot toys and loved it. Are they of the same quality? I've never owned a figure from Storm. But I assume their products are atleast on par with Sideshow and ThreeZero. I'm not sure if its on par with Hot Toys, but the exclusive 1/6 Hogan comes witj afditional boots and a boa.
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Post by mrhoss on Jul 16, 2016 21:07:55 GMT -5
Setting aside QC and accessories, I think part of the problem is long time collectors getting tired or disillusioned by the same formula. Six and a half years is a long time with very little change. A lot of lines tail off or end around this time: Original Star Wars lasts about 7 years, MOTU about 6 years, GI Joe's best years end at around 7, Hasbro shelves Marvel Legends then brings them back, modern Star Wars 4" has gone through a few different style changes over the years, and when Mattel announced the WWE license a good amount of people couldn't wait to end the RA era.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jul 16, 2016 21:11:20 GMT -5
are these any good? I have one hot toys and loved it. Are they of the same quality? I've never owned a figure from Storm. But I assume their products are atleast on par with Sideshow and ThreeZero. I'm not sure if its on par with Hot Toys, but the exclusive 1/6 Hogan comes witj afditional boots and a boa. Part of me wants to get this hogan but 250$ i kind of wanna see what it is before i do and see released pics and not proto.
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Post by champofakind on Jul 16, 2016 21:22:51 GMT -5
This thread is on point. I've been wanting to post this for weeks now but didn't want to get bashed.
That moment when you realize hasbros marvel legends are becoming the superior toy line in retail stores. Crazy right I used to laugh at the hasbro marvel legends when they brought them back in 2012 at how bad they looked to me at least. But the last 2 years or so they have been slowly taking over my collection..starting with that wave that Carnage and Black Cat came in. They still suffer from some of the same problems as elites but you are getting more bang for your buck.
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Post by champofakind on Jul 16, 2016 21:27:44 GMT -5
When you think about it the WWE elites and Marvel Legends are probably the two biggest collector lines in mass retail right now. DC multiverse is a joke and Star Wars black series while very good has horrible distribution.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 16, 2016 21:44:55 GMT -5
When you think about it the WWE elites and Marvel Legends are probably the two biggest collector lines in mass retail right now. DC multiverse is a joke and Star Wars black series while very good has horrible distribution. Hasbro point blank dropped the ball with Star Wars. Force Friday was a glance into the crystal ball of what the Star Wars toy selection would become. They cut articulation and for some reason the decided not to flood the market with a vast selection of Star Wars characters. The movie was a major success, but its debut in theaters was 8 months ago. Why are shelves still stocked with the same figures? Why are Walmarts still getting restocked figures from the first assortment of Black Series and the TFA basic waves? The toy aisles were slammed with figures when TPM was released, is was almost like a new wave was out every other week. To me, it seems like Hasbro is boared with Star Wars. It collects its check from Disney and does just enough to get by. The days of Oohs and Aahhs from their Star Wars selection is dead and gone. The 6 inch Black Series was amazing until series 3. Then that died too.
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Post by KPnDC on Jul 17, 2016 0:46:32 GMT -5
I don't collect other lines. Mattel's are the first and only collection I have. Also, I never set out to purchase every figure like a lot of you. That was always pointless in my eyes. Although I'm extremely disappointed w/ the new DMs (since Surfer Sting), I still enjoy collecting my flashbacks and legends. I think a lot of you have Mattel fatigue which is understandable at this point.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Jul 17, 2016 5:55:50 GMT -5
only 47% of the roster have elite figures. I'd be interested in seeing how that figure was arrived at, because it seems very fishy. Are you sure it isn't something to do with representation of current attires or something? We're all aware that there's generally a 9-12 month lead time on new figures, and the only guys currently on the main roster who were on it 12 months ago that I can see who don't have elite figures are: Titus O'Neil Darren Young The Ascension That's definitely not 53% of the roster. So it seems like a very strange complaint. Everybody who doesn't have an elite figure falls into one of two categories: A) hasn't been around long enough yet, or B) hasn't been important enough yet. I'd definitely be interested in seeing the list of the 53% of the roster who should have an elite figure out yet and don't. Maybe thats including guys under legends contracts? I dunno I was just simplifying what the first guy said haha
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