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Post by kennyw86 on Jan 6, 2017 1:28:33 GMT -5
Wwe lines in general are like this...
Funko- sheamus and Rey in series 1, and eva marie before seth.
Funko minis- george steele in series 1, scsa and seth in 2. Still no dean in either funko line.
Hasbro style- i know why cena ALWAYS gets released, but did we need him and roman before aj, seth, finn, etc? And taker and warrior over macho, scsa, rock, hbk confuses me.
Network spotlight started with hunter hearst helmsley lol
First tnf series had sin cara in probably the worst sin cara attire made
Those brawlin buddies had broudus clay
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Post by FBtagteamsrule on Jan 6, 2017 1:29:53 GMT -5
i only bought the samoans hof 2-pack but even i will agree they were a poor choice to start a line with. reminds me of the legends 2-packs and that was a massive failure.
as for the tnf 3-packs, which i just bought both of, sounds like u just dont like the line-up/attires/whatever. mattel, wwe, and many ppl on here believe sting and savage r both a-listers and should be on the list u stated as figures u should start a line with. as for the shield, they r fbs of 3 guys that, like it or not, r current a-listers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 1:44:25 GMT -5
i only bought the samoans hof 2-pack but even i will agree they were a poor choice to start a line with. reminds me of the legends 2-packs and that was a massive failure. as for the tnf 3-packs, which i just bought both of, sounds like u just dont like the line-up/attires/whatever. mattel, wwe, and many ppl on here believe sting and savage r both a-listers and should be on the list u stated as figures u should start a line with. as for the shield, they r fbs of 3 guys that, like it or not, r current a-listers. Fair argument. But consider this. Ultimate Warrior is an A-lister and well... DM, enough said. Attire does matter. And believe me, this isn't about what I like. It's just being realistic. And I still think both 3 packs are not heavy hitters that a risky line like this needs. Mattel's first two Elite Tag Team lines failed. Their Elite 4 pack line failed. This is in between those two. They needed to come out swinging. I don't deny your points about those character's importance... They're just still not the grand slam this line needs, especially in the chosen attires. As far as the Shield goes, there have been tons of elites of them as a group and individuals. And they still used that awful Reigns scan. Should have at least used the new one.
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Post by FBtagteamsrule on Jan 6, 2017 1:50:47 GMT -5
i only bought the samoans hof 2-pack but even i will agree they were a poor choice to start a line with. reminds me of the legends 2-packs and that was a massive failure. as for the tnf 3-packs, which i just bought both of, sounds like u just dont like the line-up/attires/whatever. mattel, wwe, and many ppl on here believe sting and savage r both a-listers and should be on the list u stated as figures u should start a line with. as for the shield, they r fbs of 3 guys that, like it or not, r current a-listers. Fair argument. But consider this. Ultimate Warrior is an A-lister and well... DM, enough said. Attire does matter. And believe me, this isn't about what I like. It's just being realistic. And I still think both 3 packs are not heavy hitters that a risky line like this needs. Mattel's first two Elite Tag Team lines failed. Their Elite 4 pack line failed. This is in between those two. They needed to come out swinging. I don't deny your points about those character's importance... They're just still not the grand slam this line needs, especially in the chosen attires. As far as the Shield goes, there have been tons of elites of them as a group and individuals. And they still used that awful Reigns scan. Should have at least used the new one. time will tell but do agree with the questionable choices on the shield. i was ticked they didnt simply mold rollins shoulders and arms in all black for the long sleeved look he wore that a lot of people wanted when e33 came out.
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Post by gentlemanjohnny on Jan 6, 2017 1:53:38 GMT -5
Some good points made in this thread. I agree with most of the concerns brought up. I don't have a problem at all with Mattel making teams like the Samoans. I'll certainly buy them, but you're right about them being a strange choice to start a line with. Glad to see some good posts here, as I was expecting to see you get blown out of the water. (Seems to happen often to people on this site.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 2:00:10 GMT -5
Some good points made in this thread. I agree with most of the concerns brought up. I don't have a problem at all with Mattel making teams like the Samoans. I'll certainly buy them, but you're right about them being a strange choice to start a line with. Glad to see some good posts here, as I was expecting to see you get blown out of the water. (Seems to happen often to people on this site.) Dude you aren't kidding. I'm pleasantly surprised at the maturity of the responses thus far. I have no issues rationally discussing things with people even if they totally disagree with me. Aside from one garbage post, the responses have been good. I don't know if that will remain so, especially in the morning, but it's nice so far.
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Post by MattelDesignTeam on Jan 6, 2017 2:07:47 GMT -5
The HOF 2 packs are not equally weighted. More of the Warrior-Shango packs were made than the Samoans. As to why they were chosen they are a visually interesting team where one of the members is the father of one of the biggest stars in WWE at the moment ( whether you boo or cheer him, he sells a LOT of figures). The Shango is slightly different from the original version if you compare closely. Added deco.
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Post by Rude Awakening on Jan 6, 2017 2:21:28 GMT -5
The HOF 2 packs are not equally weighted. More of the Warrior-Shango packs were made than the Samoans. As to why they were chosen they are a visually interesting team where one of the members is the father of one of the biggest stars in WWE at the moment ( whether you boo or cheer him, he sells a LOT of figures). The Shango is slightly different from the original version if you compare closely. Added deco. I'm sorry you always have deal with complaints. Looking forward to the figures to be made in 2017, already off to an awesome start.
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Post by gentlemanjohnny on Jan 6, 2017 2:25:50 GMT -5
The HOF 2 packs are not equally weighted. More of the Warrior-Shango packs were made than the Samoans. As to why they were chosen they are a visually interesting team where one of the members is the father of one of the biggest stars in WWE at the moment ( whether you boo or cheer him, he sells a LOT of figures). The Shango is slightly different from the original version if you compare closely. Added deco. Can't wait to find the warrior/shango pack. And amazing job on the retro figs. I'm super pumped for them! Looking forward to the next set.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 2:38:49 GMT -5
The HOF 2 packs are not equally weighted. More of the Warrior-Shango packs were made than the Samoans. As to why they were chosen they are a visually interesting team where one of the members is the father of one of the biggest stars in WWE at the moment ( whether you boo or cheer him, he sells a LOT of figures). The Shango is slightly different from the original version if you compare closely. Added deco. Thanks for the response. I know you don't post much these days, so it's much appreciated. That being said, I still stand by my points. This is the third attempt at an Elite Tag series and I'm not convinced it'll do significantly better. Your points notwithstanding, I don't feel like either set is the grand slam that the line needs at this point, especially after the HOF 4 pack dying as well as the Elite Tag Team NOD not doing well. I DO hope I'm wrong though. History just hasn't been kind to any variation of multiple elites in one set. I'm sure there are factors that play into the choices that I'm not aware of... But I'll never make sense of NOD being the inaugural line of anything. Ditto for the Samoans. But hey, if they sell, more power to you guys. I want Mattel to do extremely well with all the lines.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 2:42:49 GMT -5
The HOF 2 packs are not equally weighted. More of the Warrior-Shango packs were made than the Samoans. As to why they were chosen they are a visually interesting team where one of the members is the father of one of the biggest stars in WWE at the moment ( whether you boo or cheer him, he sells a LOT of figures). The Shango is slightly different from the original version if you compare closely. Added deco. I'm sorry you always have deal with complaints. Looking forward to the figures to be made in 2017, already off to an awesome start. No need to white knight. He responded maturely with facts, not emotions. And I learned something from his post. I didn't realize the Samoans were a smaller part of the distribution. That being said, I still think they'll shelfwarm even if they're shortpacked.
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Post by Cyan on Jan 6, 2017 2:43:10 GMT -5
So nice to see a healthy and constructive discussion on here!
When I first saw the BatB set I felt like a kid again. Not only did we not see this one coming, but I thought it was great to get the brown-haired, pre-crow, Sting. Although I'm not too happy with the size of Sting's head compared to Macho's, it's a good looking set to display in my collection.
I'm also excited about having the Wild Samoans (once I find them). I agree on it seeming like an odd choice at first, but for me as a display collector, they'll look great next to Rikishi, Umaga, Yokozuna, The Uso's, Snuka, Rock, and Reigns . . . The Samoan Dynasty has become such a huge part of pro wrestling that it's nice to see them all represented throughout the different eras.
Even thought Tito and the Horsemen have warmed, I was excited when they were announced and equally excited to get them and add them to my collection. There may have been too many made, but I'm glad we got them and I hope Mattel continues to surprise us with these kinds of releases.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 2:47:46 GMT -5
So nice to see a healthy and constructive discussion on here! When I first saw the BatB set I felt like a kid again. Not only did we not see this one coming, but I thought it was great to get the brown-haired, pre-crow, Sting. Although I'm not too happy with the size of Sting's head compared to Macho's, it's a good looking set to display in my collection. I'm also excited about having the Wild Samoans (once I find them). I agree on it seeming like an odd choice at first, but for me as a display collector, they'll look great next to Rikishi, Umaga, Yokozuna, The Uso's, Snuka, Rock, and Reigns . . . The Samoan Dynasty has become such a huge part of pro wrestling that it's nice to see them all represented throughout the different eras. Even thought Tito and the Horsemen have warmed, I was excited when they were announced and equally excited to get them and add them to my collection. There may have been too many made, but I'm glad we got them and I hope Mattel continues to surprise us with these kinds of releases. Totally. And just to reiterate in case anyone else has any confusion, I'm not by any means attacking any of these wrestlers personally, nor am I attacking anyone who likes their figures. Hell, I've been dying for an all blue singlet Earthquake. But I don't make a big deal out of it because I know if it even gets made, it won't be for a long long time. My intention in my original post was just looking at things from a sales perspective. And history has shown that Mattel has not done well at all in any of their Elite lines that involve multiple figures (tag team twice, 4 pack HOF, and we'll see how HOF tag and TNF 3 pack do). And in my humble opinion, it was 100% preventable by making more sensible choices, especially after seeing what happened with underwhelming inaugural lines with Legends.
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Post by Rude Awakening on Jan 6, 2017 3:18:45 GMT -5
I'm sorry you always have deal with complaints. Looking forward to the figures to be made in 2017, already off to an awesome start. No need to white knight. He responded maturely with facts, not emotions. And I learned something from his post. I didn't realize the Samoans were a smaller part of the distribution. That being said, I still think they'll shelfwarm even if they're shortpacked. Not a shot at you as your post is a lot more factual and makes sense a lot more than other complaints I see on here (quality control).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 3:27:17 GMT -5
No need to white knight. He responded maturely with facts, not emotions. And I learned something from his post. I didn't realize the Samoans were a smaller part of the distribution. That being said, I still think they'll shelfwarm even if they're shortpacked. Not a shot at you as your post is a lot more factual and makes sense a lot more than other complaints I see on here (quality control). Ah I got you.
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Post by maske2g on Jan 6, 2017 5:19:02 GMT -5
Nearly all of the points in the original post have been brought up, explained, and brought up again, a millions times. - The reason that the attires in the legends were obscure was because Mattel didn't want to clone attires just made by Jakks.
There have been many lengthy agreements that the timing of the line was probably a bigger cause of the failure. It was too soon after Classic superstars, and people were unsure whether to start that commitment again, especially when the releases were so sparse.
Mattel had a long term deal that was extended. You can't release all the prime figures in the first few years. If you don't hold anything back, then you will lose the interest of long term collectors like us.
The reason that the DM line has some non DM events is because they have run out of DM events. e.g Ultimate Warriors' other defining moments had been released in other lines. And actually, while shortlived (3-4 appearances) everyone still remembers Ultimate Maniacs. But what are they going to make instead? When posed with that question, the forum did not have the answers.
- The HOF 4 packs, were actually fantastic sets. When announced people were very excited.
Matty Collector Arn and Tully Blanchard was going for silly amounts of money. Barry Windham was a new figure (allbeit a terrible figure). The Horseman are in the top 5 stables of all time.
The heenan family. Two new figures. Bobby The Brain in WM 3 attire and a fantastic BJS figure. Then a second Elite Perfect, and new fantastic Andre sculpt.
The problem with those is not the selection. The problem is that Target are DOGSHYTE!
- I don't see the point of the Shield 3 pack either, though it will sell like hot cakes. The Bash at the beach 3 pack is iconic. They aren't great figs and I just feel that WCW figs in general are for a small target market, but to call them a bad choice is ridiculous. What do you want, more of the same over and over again? We cry out for new figures.
You have to start being realistic about what is left in Mattel's lifespan with respect to former stars. There really aren't a lot left to make.
The alumni is thread bare. The amount of people in litigation with WWE is massive. Then you have the No-go's like Owen Hart, and dead people they can't trace like Dino Bravo's family.
And this is why we are getting more Sgt SLaughters', JBL's, Rereleases, Warrior's, HBK's and Macho's coming out of our ears. They sell for MAttel. They have attires for days, You see them on shelves, because they are made in far larger quantities than e.g the new Alex Bliss basic etc etc. THink about it.....The Ultimate Warrior....Alexa Bliss. Who is going to sell more ??? Did you have to think long........
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Post by maske2g on Jan 6, 2017 5:22:46 GMT -5
The HOF 2 packs are not equally weighted. More of the Warrior-Shango packs were made than the Samoans. As to why they were chosen they are a visually interesting team where one of the members is the father of one of the biggest stars in WWE at the moment ( whether you boo or cheer him, he sells a LOT of figures). The Shango is slightly different from the original version if you compare closely. Added deco. Finally a confirmation of the obvious from MDT themselves that quantities will vary.
I hope this can be reposted every time someone talks about a shelf warming Warrior......
"Why do they keep making Warriors' when they rot on shelves???"
Because they are a billion dollar company and they know when to manufacture more or less of something that sells or doesn't....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 5:45:45 GMT -5
Nearly all of the points in the original post have been brought up, explained, and brought up again, a millions times. - The reason that the attires in the legends were obscure was because Mattel didn't want to clone attires just made by Jakks.
There have been many lengthy agreements that the timing of the line was probably a bigger cause of the failure. It was too soon after Classic superstars, and people were unsure whether to start that commitment again, especially when the releases were so sparse.
You can't release all the prime figures in the first few years. If you don't hold anything back, then you will lose the interest of long term collectors like us.
The reason that the DM line has some non DM events is because they have run out of DM events. e.g Ultimate Warriors' other defining moments had been released in other lines. And actually, while shortlived (3-4 appearances) everyone still remembers Ultimate Maniacs. But what are they going to make instead? When posed with that question, the forum did not have the answers.
- The HOF 4 packs, were actually fantastic sets. When announced people were very excited.
Matty Collector Arn and Tully Blanchard was going for silly amounts of money. Barry Windham was a new figure (allbeit a terrible figure). The Horseman are in the top 5 stables of all time.
The heenan family. Two new figures. Bobby The Brain in WM 3 attire and a fantastic BJS figure. Then a second Elite Perfect, and new fantastic Andre sculpt.
The problem with those is not the selection. The problem is that Target are DOGSHYTE!
- I don't see the point of the Shield 3 pack either, though it will sell like hot cakes. The Bash at the beach 3 pack is iconic. They aren't great figs and I just feel that WCW figs in general are for a small target market, but to call them a bad choice is ridiculous. What do you want, more of the same over and over again? We cry out for new figures.
You have to start being realistic about what is left in Mattel's lifespan with respect to former stars. There really aren't a lot left to make.
The alumni is thread bare. The amount of people in litigation with WWE is massive. Then you have the No-go's like Owen Hart, and dead people they can't trace like Dino Bravo's family. Mattel had a long term deal that was extended.
And this is why we are getting more Sgt SLaughters', JBL's, Rereleases, Warrior's, HBK's and Macho's coming out of our ears. They sell for MAttel. They have attires for days, You see them on shelves, because they are made in far larger quantities than e.g the new Alex Bliss basic etc etc. THink about it.....The Ultimate Warrior....Alexa Bliss. Who is going to sell more Did you have to think long........ Okay couple things... 1) I didn't ask for the reasoning behind legends. It doesn't matter. The end result was the same, which was bad choices killed the line. I only brought up Legends as a reference point. 2) You're right, you can't dole out all the big guns at once. But you can't rest on your laurels either (American Made Hogan anyone?). I guess the solution is somewhere between the two. 3) To add to the second point, you can have a solid inaugural line without using your biggest weapon. But the key is a solid start. It's smart to conserve power to let loose later... But if you start off too sluggish, it gets too hard to catch up. HOF 4 Pack found that out the hard way. I'm sure they had some great ideas in the pipeline. But they fumbled too hard in the beginning to get the chance. 4) There are tons of DMs that can still be made. To name a few... WM 14 Undertaker (with entrance coat). 2000 HHH trunks Triple H. 96 Warrior with Duster. All 3 of those are a hell of a lot more defining than the DMs of them that have already come out. The 96 SS Undertaker was obscure as hell and he only wore that attire like twice. The DM Triple H that came out a while back was pointless and contributed to the poor sales that killed the line the first time. And Maniacs Warrior belonged in a regular line. But I'm not as worried about the DMs because the line is alive and they've done enough to keep it afloat for a few more releases at least. Can't say it's looking great though. GAB Sting didn't seem to fly off the shelves. Ditto for Cena. And I doubt Flair is going to be bolstering the line anytime soon. 5) Okay Arn and Tully being scalped means nothing. Wasn't MVP going for a lot at one point? Does that mean he would sell well if mass-produced? No way. I'm sure people on here were excited about the 4 packs. But the thing is, the sales obviously show that the masses didn't agree. Blame whatever you want. But the line failed. And I have no doubt that the weak roster choices they made for the first two sets was the biggest contributor. You and others keep bringing up distribution. Well, the sets are in stores now. So why aren't the people who couldn't buy them clearing them out? They're half price after all (a tell-tale sign of failure). And I'm not judging the Horsemen as wrestlers. I'm judging the decision to make them the inaugural line. It was bad. The line getting cancelled (and them still rotting on shelves) proves that. I guarantee if they had opened with a 4 pack that included HBK, Nash, red and black Hall, and (insert pretty much any other HOFer here because the set was already sold with the first 3), no way in hell they would still be on shelves. 6) Again, you keep telling me how awesome this figure is and that figure is. I'm not disagreeing with you. This is not about the quality of the figures themselves (although the new Sting is inexplicably bad). It's about starting these Elite multipacks (which Mattel has failed several times now) with a bang. They should have learned from Legends and Legends Tag Teams that with these Elites, you can't get super risky and obscure to start off the line. Are the Wild Samoans quality figures? Yes. Do they deserve to be made at some point? Sure, why not? Do they deserve to kick off an Elite Tag line that has failed twice now because of bad inaugural lineups? How long do you have to think about that one?
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Post by PJ on Jan 6, 2017 6:19:48 GMT -5
I will take a set with Sting over the NWO any day of the week. I said it before and I'll say it again. I will take a Sting in every wave of every line. I would say Sting is just as big as Hogan, HBK & Warrior and is a larger name with bigger selling power than Hall and Nash. And while I purchased both sets yesterday the Wild Samoans was the HoF 2-Pack I was most looking forward to buying.
Legends line failed because they overproduces the waves. And when series 1 & 2 was released it didn't help that they even over saturated the market with KMart's HOF which were straight up rereleases of the series 1&2 figures with a cardboard box plaque. They were competing with themselves. If I found the Series 1 or 2 figures there was no reason for me to pick up the HOF version. And vise versa. The HOF should have at least been repaints so they were different enough for people to want to purchase another Dusty, Sarge, Snuka, Funk and Austin.
Same with the Legends 2-Packs. My TRU had over 100 cases of them. With Jakks CSTT they never received more than 3 cases of any wave. So basically they had to sell the same 3 sets where with Jakks that quantity wise would have been something like CSTT series 1 series 15. There was no way TRU was going to be ordering a second wave. As for the nod 2-Pack I have only seen it at a lone KMart and it was only 2 sets so I can't comment on that set warming because it isn't around here.
HoF 4-Packs were also over produced. The Heenan set has been out for over a year and it is just now hitting my area store's in force. (I did find a lone one last year on New Year's Day) but since it was all Horsemen at all area Targets. The market isn't that big to have 30+ 4-packs at every Target. There are at least 10 Targets in a 30 minute radius of me so there is 300+ sets that need to move in a small area. Factor that for all the US you knew it was going to be a backlog that there wouldn't be a third and definitely not a fourth set coming.
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Post by maske2g on Jan 6, 2017 6:20:47 GMT -5
Okay couple things... 1) I didn't ask for the reasoning behind legends. It doesn't matter. The end result was the same, which was bad choices killed the line. I only brought up Legends as a reference point. 2) You're right, you can't dole out all the big guns at once. But you can't rest on your laurels either (American Made Hogan anyone?). I guess the solution is somewhere between the two. 3) To add to the second point, you can have a solid inaugural line without using your biggest weapon. But the key is a solid start. It's smart to conserve power to let loose later... But if you start off too sluggish, it gets too hard to catch up. HOF 4 Pack found that out the hard way. I'm sure they had some great ideas in the pipeline. But they fumbled too hard in the beginning to get the chance. 4) There are tons of DMs that can still be made. To name a few... WM 14 Undertaker (with entrance coat). 2000 HHH trunks Triple H. 96 Warrior with Duster. All 3 of those are a hell of a lot more defining than the DMs of them that have already come out. The 96 SS Undertaker was obscure as hell and he only wore that attire like twice. The DM Triple H that came out a while back was pointless and contributed to the poor sales that killed the line the first time. And Maniacs Warrior belonged in a regular line. But I'm not as worried about the DMs because the line is alive and they've done enough to keep it afloat for a few more releases at least. Can't say it's looking great though. GAB Sting didn't seem to fly off the shelves. Ditto for Cena. And I doubt Flair is going to be bolstering the line anytime soon. 5) Okay Arn and Tully being scalped means nothing. Wasn't MVP going for a lot at one point? Does that mean he would sell well if mass-produced? No way. I'm sure people on here were excited about the 4 packs. But the thing is, the sales obviously show that the masses didn't agree. Blame whatever you want. But the line failed. And I have no doubt that the weak roster choices they made for the first two sets was the biggest contributor. You and others keep bringing up distribution. Well, the sets are in stores now. So why aren't the people who couldn't buy them clearing them out? They're half price after all (a tell-tale sign of failure). And I'm not judging the Horsemen as wrestlers. I'm judging the decision to make them the inaugural line. It was bad. The line getting cancelled (and them still rotting on shelves) proves that. I guarantee if they had opened with a 4 pack that included HBK, Nash, red and black Hall, and (insert pretty much any other HOFer here because the set was already sold with the first 3), no way in hell they would still be on shelves. 6) Again, you keep telling me how awesome this figure is and that figure is. I'm not disagreeing with you. This is not about the quality of the figures themselves (although the new Sting is inexplicably bad). It's about starting these Elite multipacks (which Mattel has failed several times now) with a bang. They should have learned from Legends and Legends Tag Teams that with these Elites, you can't get super risky and obscure to start off the line. Are the Wild Samoans quality figures? Yes. Do they deserve to be made at some point? Sure, why not? Do they deserve to kick off an Elite Tag line that has failed twice now because of bad inaugural lineups? How long do you have to think about that one?
1) I don't care whether you asked or not. If you want to make sweeping statements, you need to be prepared for counterpoints. The first legends wave had Stone COld Steve Austin. The biggest star ever in the business. If you aren't happy that we also got the biggest tag team of the 80's, in awesome attire, then I'm not sure whether your heart is really in this, or you are young and don't care about the 80's
2) American Made Hogan is a brilliant figure. What do you want???? More red and yellow??!?! Or are you just moaning that the MAttel Crystal ball didn't see the racism scandal coming and we didn't get the (Designed and made) Hollywood figure. That is not Mattels fault. They had a clear plan. DM.....a while late.....HH......a while later, maybe Tye dye. American made is from the time period where ironically Hulk Hogan MADE what wrestling is today. A Global behemoth.
3) Are you saying that the Horseman aren't one of the most famous and important teams in Wrestling history? Because again, if so, I'm not sure you really represent the interests of the fanbase of wrestling in it's current global size from the 80's onwards and you seem to have a personal agenda.
4 Your points are full of contradictions. Are you telling me that Undertaker Wrestlemania 14, was a bigger wrestling event than Stings first world title, or Ric Flairs last wrestling match? Because again that points to you having an agenda. It's no where near. The beauty of the first undertaker DM is in the attire. It's a phenomenal figure. MAttel have made an abundance of different Undertaker entrance attires, but you are singling out the one they don't have.
And are you seriously joking about TRiple H? After a great 5 year heel run he returns after 9 months out injured, that nearly ended his career and the fans go absolutely apepoop. This was a defining moment of TRiple H's career. And whilst I'm not a big fan, I recognise that he was an instrumental player in WWE and in the peak of his career before that injury.
5). NO. It doesn't mean nothing!!!! Have you not noticed the rereleases of figures that are selling for silly amounts? E19 HBK, Legends warrior, Boss man, Papa Shango, King BOoker, SDCC Taker. Why do you think this is?!?!? They were some of the most expensive figures on the secondary market. PLUS, you forget the fact that the set is cheap to make. A new Windham head, and a new Flair head, and all of a sudden we can get 4 elite figures for 50 bucks. You wouldn't even have got Tully for that price!!!
6) why do you care so much about the longevity of "Elite Tag teams" and 3 packs? They are never going to be long term, there simply isn't the appetite or the depth of possible content. If they don't sell as teams, they will just drop into other lines if the characters are big enough.. Plus, again, you have not thought about the fact they by dropping them in a 2, 3 or 4 pack we are getting more figures for our money? Cheaper for Mattel to make, cheaper for us to buy. It's a win-win.
For more niche characters, like The Wild samoans for instance, Would you prefer they eat up two spaces in the Elite Line for 20 bucks a piece? No, I didn't think so. So where do you put them in? What's your answer? Your answer seems to be, "Lets have another hall and nash, and we won't bother with an 80's tag team, because I don't care about them"
What they represent, once again, is a real lack of options for legends now. I mean they are releasing an Isaac Yankem..... There are 40 wrestlers we could think of that are more important to wrestling history, but MATTEL CAN'T MAKE THEM.
You seem to know all the problems, but you don't seem to have the solutions. Just poor alternate suggestions. A four pack with Nash and Hall. Like the one that has been cancelled you mean?......
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