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Post by Chewdeezy on Jan 6, 2017 6:58:56 GMT -5
Nash and Hall wouldn't have saved the 4-Packs if Targets keep over ordering/poor distribution.
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Post by maske2g on Jan 6, 2017 7:06:13 GMT -5
Nash and Hall wouldn't have saved the 4-Packs if Targets keep over ordering/poor distribution.
Precisely.
Mattel have zero impact on the distribution at Target / Walmart etc. I guess if Target balls up exclusives, they will get less exclusives.
Walmart seem to have been successful will with TNF to the point that we don't get a sniff of them at Asda (WAlmarts' UK shops....)
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Post by ZDB on Jan 6, 2017 7:18:33 GMT -5
I've said it before and I'll say it again
Anything can sell
It's the distribution
Do you see Magnum TA warming everywhere?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 7:57:15 GMT -5
Production and distribution is the issue, which Mattel noticed and are fixing with the .5 series sets.
Though I think the Samoans were a bad choice, we don't know how limited these sets willl be. Maybe each store will only get a few cases and that's it.
Because something warms in your area, doesn't make it a flop or a nation wide problem.
You or any of us, can't call a line a failure...because we don't know the amount of units sold.
What was your old username? It's obvious you were banned before and are back.
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Post by qdogg on Jan 6, 2017 8:50:50 GMT -5
It seems like the nwo should of been represented in these 2 or 3 figure packs especially Hall and Nash. Surprised they didn't maybe save Afa and SIka for another wave. In the next 2 or 3 packs it would be great to see the nwo, faces of foley or the brood if they could get the rights to Gangrel.
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Post by RybackV1 on Jan 6, 2017 8:53:45 GMT -5
Wild Samoans are packed either 1 or 2 per case while Shango/Warrior fills up the rest and they come in cases of 6. I don't think they'll shelf warm like Tito who was packed evenly with his set.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jan 6, 2017 9:18:39 GMT -5
I have to disagree with the poor choices to start off the line comment. Yes the Legends did have a couple individual figures that were odd choices, mainly Snuka in boots, but overall there were a lot of great figures. Series 1 was SCSA with a vest and Austin 3:16 shirt, NWA Road Warriors who were as iconic as WWF LOD, and Polka Dot Dusty which is also very iconic, even if you were the biggest NWA fan its hard not to think of yellow polka dots when it comes to Dusty. The only miss in the first series was Slaughter's attire choice.
How can anyone argue that The Four Horsemen are a bad choice to kick off 4 packs? If Bill did a poll prior to launching the series asking who they wanted a 4 pack of, there is no doubt in my mind that the Horsemen would've been the overwhelming winner.
NOD wasn't a bad 2 pack but it was an odd choice because you're getting 2/5 of a faction with no indication that the other 3 will ever be released. If we knew that Henry and Kama were just around the corner with the possibility of D'Lo if he ever gets signed, then I think it woulda been better.
Rollins, Reigns, and Ambrose sell. Period. Sting and Macho Man sell. Period.
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Post by popyduggan on Jan 6, 2017 9:52:35 GMT -5
Kinda harsh brother, first Ricky Steamboat since the early 90s, first Road Warriors, first Stone Cold elite, and first Dusty Rhodes are weak choices? Legends tag teams I'll give you, those could've been more varied in timeframes, but the figures didn't suck and they weren't obscure attires. The problem with the Horsemen set is that it sold so well initially, that Target said "F*** yeah, order a million more!!!", and they sat there because demand had already been met. Also, I don't think you'd want an elite Kliq 4 pack, because it would be impossible to include deco and accessories for any of them at $50 or less. How could the Samoans be shelfwarmers, they just...came...out, so wait a bit on that one, I mean, the Dusty ring came and went in a few months and was $28 at it's lowest, so I do believe they're adjusting quantities so their products don't end up at liquidation centers. I know it gets frustrating to see things not as successful as they could be, but Mattel is trying to cater to everybody through a narrow stream of figures, and sometimes you're gonna get a flop, even if the figure that collectors avoid seemed like a good idea on the drawing board 9 months earlier(JYD, Adam Rose, Daniel Wyatt, BAF CM Punk).
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Post by Bandalero on Jan 6, 2017 10:15:22 GMT -5
We can theorize night and day as to why the Four Horsemen killed the 4-pack line. Over production, crazy distribution, but asthetically they were dull - 4 guys in red/black trunks. And I'm a HUGE 4 Horseman fan. I think the story would have been a little different if the Heenan Family were first out the gate. The economic drawback of a 4-pack set is no budget for accessories, and the Horsemen were hurting for accessories. The narrative would have been very different if a world title and tag titles were included in the pack I'm sure. At the time of their release the status of the world tag belts being released again were unknown, Yoko #2 and 123 Kid weren't out yet (I think).
While I commend Haunted in making an intelligent wrestling toy discussion (I really thought the white knights around here would murder you), I can't help but read between the lines of your arguments and hear you talk about red/black Hall. If Hulk Hogan/Flair/Hall couldn't save the DM line, I'm not sure what powers red/black Hall has.
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Post by Phenomenal Demon Architect on Jan 6, 2017 10:30:06 GMT -5
Honestly who cares about who they release first...if they release it and you like it then buy it. If not then don't, it's as simple as that. Everyone making a big deal about distribution and shipment complaints. Or even better, oh they haven't made this figure YET. Meanwhile Ringside and some other notable online stores usually have stock on items. (Of course there's exceptions). I just don't understand why even deal with retail anymore if this is how you feel.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jan 6, 2017 10:38:50 GMT -5
We can theorize night and day as to why the Four Horsemen killed the 4-pack line. Over production, crazy distribution, but asthetically they were dull - 4 guys in red/black trunks. And I'm a HUGE 4 Horseman fan. I think the story would have been a little different if the Heenan Family were first out the gate. The economic drawback of a 4-pack set is no budget for accessories, and the Horsemen were hurting for accessories. The narrative would have been very different if a world title and tag titles were included in the pack I'm sure. At the time of their release the status of the world tag belts being released again were unknown, Yoko #2 and 123 Kid weren't out yet (I think). While I commend Haunted in making an intelligent wrestling toy discussion (I really thought the white knights around here would murder you), I can't help but read between the lines of your arguments and hear you talk about red/black Hall. If Hulk Hogan/Flair/Hall couldn't save the DM line, I'm not sure what powers red/black Hall has. Maybe the big gold belt coulda been released but WWF tag belts would not have been accurate in a Horsemen pack. Think of the rage MOC collectors woulda had if Arn and Tully had WWF titles in a NWA pack.
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Jan 6, 2017 11:08:00 GMT -5
The Shield & Team WCW are both solid sets. It just sucks Luger has the wrong boots and Sting is just a mess from his neck to his waist
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Post by maske2g on Jan 6, 2017 11:42:59 GMT -5
It seems like the nwo should of been represented in these 2 or 3 figure packs especially Hall and Nash. Surprised they didn't maybe save Afa and SIka for another wave. In the next 2 or 3 packs it would be great to see the nwo, faces of foley or the brood if they could get the rights to Gangrel. NWO without Hollywood, is like Lager with no alcohol, Paul with no John, and Burger with no bun.
TEPID!!!
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Post by ty2005_92 on Jan 6, 2017 11:48:34 GMT -5
Know what they call complaining about a problem without offering a solution? B*tching. Why would anybody like such a stupid comment?
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Post by The Madness on Jan 6, 2017 11:54:44 GMT -5
I feel like if Mattel knew the HOF two-packs were going to be a thing, one of the recent tag teams that were split up in the Elite line - Hart Foundation, Nasty Boys, Natural Disasters - would have been a FAR better choice than the Wild Samoans.
Even a Rockers repaint would have been good, as they had several eye-catching and memorable attires.
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Post by SteveHulk on Jan 6, 2017 11:57:56 GMT -5
The Shield & Team WCW are both solid sets. It just sucks Luger has the wrong boots and Sting is just a mess from his neck to his waist ...wasn't a set found with Luger in the correct boots? Maybe it's a running change.
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Jan 6, 2017 12:02:22 GMT -5
I feel like if Mattel knew the HOF two-packs were going to be a thing, one of the recent tag teams that were split up in the Elite line - Hart Foundation, Nasty Boys, Natural Disasters - would have been a FAR better choice than the Wild Samoans. Even a Rockers repaint would have been good, as they had several eye-catching and memorable attires. Except none of those guys except Bret are in the HOF
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Jan 6, 2017 12:03:16 GMT -5
The Shield & Team WCW are both solid sets. It just sucks Luger has the wrong boots and Sting is just a mess from his neck to his waist ...wasn't a set found with Luger in the correct boots? Maybe it's a running change. I thought that was a fixup by someone who wanted them MOC
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Post by Mongo Bears on Jan 6, 2017 12:08:47 GMT -5
The Shield & Team WCW are both solid sets. It just sucks Luger has the wrong boots and Sting is just a mess from his neck to his waist ...wasn't a set found with Luger in the correct boots? Maybe it's a running change. It was a fix up. Just like the MOC people who wanted dm flairs robe closed so they opened the box and fixed the robe and then resealed the box. Granted it's technically not MOC anymore but it displays better
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Post by ty2005_92 on Jan 6, 2017 12:38:08 GMT -5
I have to disagree with the poor choices to start off the line comment. Yes the Legends did have a couple individual figures that were odd choices, mainly Snuka in boots, but overall there were a lot of great figures. Series 1 was SCSA with a vest and Austin 3:16 shirt, NWA Road Warriors who were as iconic as WWF LOD, and Polka Dot Dusty which is also very iconic, even if you were the biggest NWA fan its hard not to think of yellow polka dots when it comes to Dusty. The only miss in the first series was Slaughter's attire choice. How can anyone argue that The Four Horsemen are a bad choice to kick off 4 packs? If Bill did a poll prior to launching the series asking who they wanted a 4 pack of, there is no doubt in my mind that the Horsemen would've been the overwhelming winner. NOD wasn't a bad 2 pack but it was an odd choice because you're getting 2/5 of a faction with no indication that the other 3 will ever be released. If we knew that Henry and Kama were just around the corner with the possibility of D'Lo if he ever gets signed, then I think it woulda been better. Rollins, Reigns, and Ambrose sell. Period. Sting and Macho Man sell. Period. I disagree. If the first HOF 4-pack would've been Nash, Hall, Macho Man & Luger in nWo attires, I believe it would've never warmed. I would've said Hogan instead of Luger, but I believe he was already out of the company when the 4-pack was released.
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