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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jan 9, 2017 20:40:35 GMT -5
This is how lines die. Overproduction and misdistribution. Six figures wide times five figures deep times six rows equals a minimum of 150 DM Warriors not counting the figures they have stocked on the sides or 7 wide. Even if this was a figure that everyone desired, there is no way a single store can move that much inventory. These Warriors will rot on the shelves. Walmart will not order Cena, Nakamura, and likely whatever figure follows it until these figures disappear. As stated before, this was what help contribute to the demise of Legends, Legends 2 packs, and HOF 4 packs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 20:46:59 GMT -5
This is how lines die. Overproduction and misdistribution. Six figures wide times five figures deep times six rows equals a minimum of 150 DM Warriors not counting the figures they have stocked on the sides or 7 wide. Even if this was a figure that everyone desired, there is no way a single store can move that much inventory. These Warriors will rot on the shelves. Walmart will not order Cena, Nakamura, and likely whatever figure follows it until these figures disappear. As stated before, this was what help contribute to the demise of Legends, Legends 2 packs, and HOF 4 packs. It was still a crappy choice for a DM. It should have been an elite. And even then, it was one of his least memorable gimmicks. 96 Warrior with the duster should have been the next Warrior DM. Way too many of you guys have narrow vision and are putting all the focus on production and distribution. Again, there has to be a minimum production order for the venture to be cost-effective to begin with. And distribution has been spotty since 2010. They'll never get it right. Does production and distribution contribute to the problem? Yes. Is it to the degree you guys claim without the character selection being a huge part? no.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 22:55:11 GMT -5
It has been mentioned countless times yet people still don't seem to understand?! This figure was released as a DM due to the amount of deco it has, the reduced budget of the main elite line did not allow for it to be released as part of that line. If it wasn't for the DM line, which has a higher budget, it would most likely not have been produced at all- which it seems many would have been okay with. I agree that is was a poor choice of attire to release, its a waste of a DM spot IMO, Bill should have released another Warrior with a duster in its place- either a WCW OWN warrior or Summerslam 1991 warrior.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jan 9, 2017 23:00:42 GMT -5
Distribution is still a huge problem and its a problem that Mattel simply can not get a grasp on. Another perfect example is the fact that with 2 Walmarts in my town I have 2 full end caps (like pictured above), 12 pegs and one side of a murf full of Multiverse figures. All from the same 2 series.
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Post by JNH2248 on Jan 9, 2017 23:01:03 GMT -5
It has been mentioned countless times yet people still don't seem to understand?! This figure was released as a DM due to the amount of deco it has, the reduced budget of the main elite line did not allow for it to be released as part of that line. If it wasn't for the DM line, which has a higher budget, it would most likely not have been produced at all- which it seems many would have been okay with. I agree that is was a poor choice of attire to release, its a waste of a DM spot IMO, Bill should have released another Warrior with a duster in its place- either a WCW OWN warrior or Summerslam 1991 warrior. SS'91 Warrior yes!
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Post by Mongo Bears on Jan 9, 2017 23:17:14 GMT -5
This is how lines die. I saw dm warrior at retail for the first time today. Appx 15-20 at one store and I thought that was bad. I would hate to see this endcap at a store near me. I pass completely on this figure, I think it's a horrible choice for dm.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 23:20:20 GMT -5
This is how lines die. Overproduction and misdistribution. Six figures wide times five figures deep times six rows equals a minimum of 150 DM Warriors not counting the figures they have stocked on the sides or 7 wide. Even if this was a figure that everyone desired, there is no way a single store can move that much inventory. These Warriors will rot on the shelves. Walmart will not order Cena, Nakamura, and likely whatever figure follows it until these figures disappear. As stated before, this was what help contribute to the demise of Legends, Legends 2 packs, and HOF 4 packs. That is insane! I don't understand how the heck something like this happens- why would the ship like 10-20 cases of the same fig to one store?! Also, who is the idiot that put all these out onto the sales floor?! You would think after opening 2 or 3 cases that they would clue in that 'these boxes all have the same product in them'?! Well, if anyone needs an Ultimate Maniacs Warrior, you know where to go to get one.
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Jan 10, 2017 5:25:33 GMT -5
It has been mentioned countless times yet people still don't seem to understand?! This figure was released as a DM due to the amount of deco it has, the reduced budget of the main elite line did not allow for it to be released as part of that line. If it wasn't for the DM line, which has a higher budget, it would most likely not have been produced at all- which it seems many would have been okay with. I agree that is was a poor choice of attire to release, its a waste of a DM spot IMO, Bill should have released another Warrior with a duster in its place- either a WCW OWN warrior or Summerslam 1991 warrior. or a WM12 Warrior! didnt really need Ultimate Maniacs Elites anyway. would looked AWESOME as a basic Battle pack.
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Jan 10, 2017 5:31:42 GMT -5
I think the Legends line would have stood a MUCH better chance of being successful had Mattel waited 2-3 years before launching it: they would have had more big names (Bret, Diesel, Mankind, Yokozuna...) and there would have been much more anticipation/demand for them by then. And maybe have 4 per-series, instead of 6 (like they started to do towards the end of the original line)... always leave them wanting more. yep, a few more years in and forums would filled with "are you ever going to make legend series?" they could have maybe teased a bit with a few Rocks, Stone colds, Taker, etc. man how awesome would it have been if it the Legends line thise whole time? the Legends packaging was AWESOME with big pics of them on it! and stuck with it. 2 packs, 3- packs, 4-pack Exclusives!
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Jan 10, 2017 5:38:02 GMT -5
Legends series 1 was not the best choices. prob shoulda been:
Taker purple Stone Cold Rock LOD Red Steamboat (was a good choice, Jakks never got him, but he shoulda been in WM3 White, as LOD would be the big red figs on the shelves anyway)
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Post by SteveHulk on Jan 10, 2017 9:40:29 GMT -5
the Legends packaging was AWESOME with big pics of them on it! and stuck with it. 2 packs, 3- packs, 4-pack Exclusives! Yeah... I LOVED the Legends packaging... it would have been so cool if Mattel could have made select/old-school Flashbacks/figures in limited Legends packaging, available on Matty (or something!) for those who wanted to carry on with it - I'd have loved to have seen guys like Hogan, Flair, Bret etc. in Legends packaging.
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Post by Gorilla on Jan 10, 2017 10:08:03 GMT -5
the Legends packaging was AWESOME with big pics of them on it! and stuck with it. 2 packs, 3- packs, 4-pack Exclusives! Yeah... I LOVED the Legends packaging... it would have been so cool if Mattel could have made select/old-school Flashbacks/figures in limited Legends packaging, available on Matty (or something!) for those who wanted to carry on with it - I'd have loved to have seen guys like Hogan, Flair, Bret etc. in Legends packaging. And DM Flair could have had a robe that matched his trunks.
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Post by MWFD on Jan 10, 2017 13:35:30 GMT -5
I couldn't agree with OP more.
Some might say that it's easy to make these criticisms after the fact, but the reality is that anyone with half a brain on this forum knew that a Horseman 4-pack, Wild Samoans, Shield 3-Pack, etc. would warm like crazy and were terrible choices for the first series of a new line. If we knew this, how could the pros at Mattel miss this so badly? I can't imagine how things might be for some of their series had Mattel put even a half-decent selection together rather than these obvious, egregiously bad character choices.
I imagine the conversation had to go something like this, "So for 2017 we're releasing a new 2-pack model of WWE Hall Of Famers. We've got some big names we can use like Savage, Austin, Michaels, Bret, Warrior. Or, if not those names how about Razor Ramon, Mick Foley, Diesel, Jake The Snake, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Sensational Sherri, Mr. Perfect, or Dusty Rhodes? We can't use Hogan and a few other names not mentioned yet, but surely, we can put together a couple great 2-packs within these parameters...
Or we could go with a tag team from the 1970s that only 40 year olds will remember with any sort of fondness. The general public has the same, or at least similar, interests as the 40 year-old male demo, right? Wild Samoans it is! And for series 2, it's looking like Rocky Johnson and Peter Maivia!"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 13:58:11 GMT -5
I couldn't agree with OP more. Some might say that it's easy to make these criticisms after the fact, but the reality is that anyone with half a brain on this forum knew that a Horseman 4-pack, Wild Samoans, Shield 3-Pack, etc. would warm like crazy and were terrible choices for the first series of a new line. If we knew this, how could the pros at Mattel miss this so badly? I can't imagine how things might be for some of their series had Mattel put even a half-decent selection together rather than these obvious, egregiously bad character choices. I imagine the conversation had to go something like this, "So for 2017 we're releasing a new 2-pack model of WWE Hall Of Famers. We've got some big names we can use like Savage, Austin, Michaels, Bret, Warrior. Or, if not those names how about Razor Ramon, Mick Foley, Diesel, Jake The Snake, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Sensational Sherri, Mr. Perfect, or Dusty Rhodes? We can't use Hogan and a few other names not mentioned yet, but surely, we can put together a couple great 2-packs within these parameters... Or we could go with a tag team from the 1970s that only 40 year olds will remember with any sort of fondness. The general public has the same, or at least similar, interests as the 40 year-old male demo, right? Wild Samoans it is! And for series 2, it's looking like Rocky Johnson and Peter Maivia!" You are the first person in this thread who loves old school (judging by your sig) and actually understood what I'm saying. You didn't take offense or see my thoughts as some kind of reflection of my own feelings and/or disrespect towards those wrestlers. That's pretty refreshing on a forum where so many of its members are incredibly myopic. Anyways, you nailed it. There is no reason in hell for the Wild Samoans to be series 1 (or any series until the line has taken off) of an Elite Tag series that has failed in that format twice before. But hey, maybe there's a huge demographic of AARP members we don't know about. Maybe they can also help clear the truckload of American Made Hogans that have been sitting in Ringside's warehouse for 2 years.
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Jan 10, 2017 14:48:08 GMT -5
I couldn't agree with OP more. Some might say that it's easy to make these criticisms after the fact, but the reality is that anyone with half a brain on this forum knew that a Horseman 4-pack, Wild Samoans, Shield 3-Pack, etc. would warm like crazy and were terrible choices for the first series of a new line. If we knew this, how could the pros at Mattel miss this so badly? I can't imagine how things might be for some of their series had Mattel put even a half-decent selection together rather than these obvious, egregiously bad character choices. I imagine the conversation had to go something like this, "So for 2017 we're releasing a new 2-pack model of WWE Hall Of Famers. We've got some big names we can use like Savage, Austin, Michaels, Bret, Warrior. Or, if not those names how about Razor Ramon, Mick Foley, Diesel, Jake The Snake, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Sensational Sherri, Mr. Perfect, or Dusty Rhodes? We can't use Hogan and a few other names not mentioned yet, but surely, we can put together a couple great 2-packs within these parameters... Or we could go with a tag team from the 1970s that only 40 year olds will remember with any sort of fondness. The general public has the same, or at least similar, interests as the 40 year-old male demo, right? Wild Samoans it is! And for series 2, it's looking like Rocky Johnson and Peter Maivia!" You are the first person in this thread who loves old school (judging by your sig) and actually understood what I'm saying. You didn't take offense or see my thoughts as some kind of reflection of my own feelings and/or disrespect towards those wrestlers. That's pretty refreshing on a forum where so many of its members are incredibly myopic. Anyways, you nailed it. There is no reason in hell for the Wild Samoans to be series 1 (or any series until the line has taken off) of an Elite Tag series that has failed in that format twice before. But hey, maybe there's a huge demographic of AARP members we don't know about. Maybe they can also help clear the truckload of American Made Hogans that have been sitting in Ringside's warehouse for 2 years.
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Jan 10, 2017 14:52:49 GMT -5
You are the first person in this thread who loves old school (judging by your sig) and actually understood what I'm saying. You didn't take offense or see my thoughts as some kind of reflection of my own feelings and/or disrespect towards those wrestlers. That's pretty refreshing on a forum where so many of its members are incredibly myopic. Anyways, you nailed it. There is no reason in hell for the Wild Samoans to be series 1 (or any series until the line has taken off) of an Elite Tag series that has failed in that format twice before. But hey, maybe there's a huge demographic of AARP members we don't know about. Maybe they can also help clear the truckload of American Made Hogans that have been sitting in Ringside's warehouse for 2 years. im the classicfan2 and ive agreed with you and dont take any of this personal from anyone. I only feel timing was more of the issue with original legends failing. coices werent great either no doubt. anyway, as far as the recent 2 packs, 4 packs your totally spot on as Ive said from the beginning.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 15:30:41 GMT -5
So many of you bitching about these things warming are the same ones who wanted them made in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 15:38:02 GMT -5
So many of you bitching about these things warming are the same ones who wanted them made in the first place. Who the requested Wild Samoans, NOD Rock/Farooq, a Shield rerelease, etc. I guarantee if Mattel had come out and said "Hey guys, we are going to give Elite 2 packs another opportunity with two different lines and a special 3 pack elite line and we're looking for suggestions," no one would have requested any of those. And even if they actually wanted any of those figures, it still wouldn't be requested for the INAUGURAL wave, which btw is the whole goddamn point of the thread. Weak starts. It's plagued several lines now, some of which have already been cancelled. So many off-tangent replies here. Half the responses in this thread have been harping on the failed Legends line, which was only brought up briefly in my original post as a reference point. I swear the attention span of the average WFer can be measured in nanoseconds.
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Post by MWFD on Jan 10, 2017 15:39:06 GMT -5
I couldn't agree with OP more. Some might say that it's easy to make these criticisms after the fact, but the reality is that anyone with half a brain on this forum knew that a Horseman 4-pack, Wild Samoans, Shield 3-Pack, etc. would warm like crazy and were terrible choices for the first series of a new line. If we knew this, how could the pros at Mattel miss this so badly? I can't imagine how things might be for some of their series had Mattel put even a half-decent selection together rather than these obvious, egregiously bad character choices. I imagine the conversation had to go something like this, "So for 2017 we're releasing a new 2-pack model of WWE Hall Of Famers. We've got some big names we can use like Savage, Austin, Michaels, Bret, Warrior. Or, if not those names how about Razor Ramon, Mick Foley, Diesel, Jake The Snake, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Sensational Sherri, Mr. Perfect, or Dusty Rhodes? We can't use Hogan and a few other names not mentioned yet, but surely, we can put together a couple great 2-packs within these parameters... Or we could go with a tag team from the 1970s that only 40 year olds will remember with any sort of fondness. The general public has the same, or at least similar, interests as the 40 year-old male demo, right? Wild Samoans it is! And for series 2, it's looking like Rocky Johnson and Peter Maivia!" You are the first person in this thread who loves old school (judging by your sig) and actually understood what I'm saying. You didn't take offense or see my thoughts as some kind of reflection of my own feelings and/or disrespect towards those wrestlers. That's pretty refreshing on a forum where so many of its members are incredibly myopic. Anyways, you nailed it. There is no reason in hell for the Wild Samoans to be series 1 (or any series until the line has taken off) of an Elite Tag series that has failed in that format twice before. But hey, maybe there's a huge demographic of AARP members we don't know about. Maybe they can also help clear the truckload of American Made Hogans that have been sitting in Ringside's warehouse for 2 years. Thanks, Haunted. Yes, I do love old school wrestling and figures. In fact, it's all I collect. I do not own one action figure of a current or modern WWE superstar. The "newest" figure I own is the Triple H from E23 (circa 1999 though I display it as if it's from '98). I am absolutely within the demo of customers that would purchase the Wild Samoans. With that said, there's no way I would ever have considered them as one-half of the first release of a new Hall Of Fame 2-Pack series, if I worked for Mattel. Not if I wanted the line to succeed, that is. I doubt there's any sort of sabotage going on, but stranger things have happened. To be fair, MattelDesignTeam has done a fantastic job with the WWE line and the majority of their WWE action figures. Nothing is perfect, including Mattel, but all things considered, Mattel has knocked their WWE line out of the park. As a kid, I collected WWF Hasbros, JustToys BendEms (during those awkward years when WWF was considered a dead brand and was "in-between" toy partnerships), as well as the first several series of Jakks with Bone Crunching Action, but stopped around 1998. Mattel brought me back into collecting toys as an adult. That's saying something. I don't collect any other toys or collectibles that might otherwise "normally" be played with by children, but Mattel helped me find my inner youth that I enjoyed way back in the early 90s collecting those awesome little Hasbros. Still, the toy giant seems to struggle with the first series of new lines. Not to belabor the point, but below are some of the first lineups that ultimately failed: Legends 1 Series 1Road Warrior Hawk (in AWA/NWA attire) Road Warrior Animal (in AWA/NWA attire) Dusty Rhodes (in WWF polka dots attire) Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (in 1980s attire) Sgt. Slaughter (early 80s attire) Stone Cold Steve Austin (1998 attire) For the first lineup of a WWE legends series, Mattel chose 4 superstars who had arguably (and in some cases inarguably) better careers outside the WWF/WWE than in it. Furthermore, the attires for Slaughter, Hawk, and Animal were terrible choices, again for a first series. These would've been fine selections down the line, but not for an initial launch. Legends 2-Pack Series 1The Bushwhackers Rowdy Roddy Piper & Bob Orton Nikolai Volkoff & The Iron Sheik The first 2-pack series to feature legends had some characters that are largely forgettable unless you were a fan of the WWF in the very early 1980s. Piper is the best individual selection, but the attire and figure itself left many collectors disappointed. If this was an album, these would be fine deep tracks of a third or fourth release. As an eye-catching, introductory offering, you've got a real problem when Luke and Butch are the most exciting characters of the entire set. Hall Of Fame Series 1Ultimate Warrior (SummerSlam '90 attire) Stone Cold Steve Austin (jean shorts and vest) Trish Stratus Sgt. Slaughter (1991/1992 WWF attire) I'm including this one to illustrate the impact that a good set of character and attire choices can have on a line. In my opinion, this was the best initial lineup Mattel has done. Is it any coincidence then that the series not only still exists, over 2 years later, but has expanded to include 4-packs and 2-packs? No, it isn't. Despite some shelf-warming individual figures and some questionable shipping schedules, the Target-exclusive Hall Of Fame series remains one of the most popular of Mattel's entire WWE lineup and it was boosted out the gate thanks to a solid roadmap. As @alias has already pointed out, there's more first series that showcase Mattel's struggles in this area but you get the point. For all Mattel has done right since acquiring the WWE contract, they have a tremendous opportunity to improve on their character and attire selections of initial lineups for brand new series.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 15:43:31 GMT -5
Hall Of Fame Series 1Ultimate Warrior (SummerSlam '90 attire) Stone Cold Steve Austin (jean shorts and vest) Trish Stratus Sgt. Slaughter (1991/1992 WWF attire) I'm including this one to illustrate the impact that a good set of character and attire choices can have on a line. In my opinion, this was the best initial lineup Mattel has done. Is it any coincidence then that the series not only still exists, over 2 years later, but has expanded to included 4-packs and 2-packs? No, it isn't. Despite some shelf-warming individual figures and some questionable shipping schedules, the Target-exclusive Hall Of Fame series remains one of the most popular of the entire Mattel lineup and it was boosted out the gate thanks to a solid roadmap.As @alias has already pointed out, there's more first series that showcase Mattel's struggles in this area but you get the point. For all Mattel has done right since acquiring the WWE contract, they have a tremendous opportunity to improve on their character and attire selections of initial lineups for brand new series.
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