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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Dec 28, 2008 18:19:57 GMT -5
No disrespect to Rashard......but I did not see this coming. Perhaps, Forrest's mind was off. Shame really. Mir did exactly what I said he would.....win and win convincingly. Mir vs. Lesnar......time to put the steroid baby out! If he was using steroids, they would've busted him long by now. I really cannot wait for their 2nd fight so that Brock can prove you and everyone else wrong and to shut the critics up once and for all. Until Mir beats Lesnar again, he's just the wanna-be World Champ. Brock is the REAL World champ. Deal with it. |
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Post by Jackson! on Dec 28, 2008 18:44:27 GMT -5
yeah no matter how much we dont want to accept brock as champion..he is. last night for me was really fun, watching UFC at hooters couldnt go wrong. happy hamill won but the fight was kinda lackluster. upsets for me mir beating nog, rampage beating silva. overall a great ppv, i kinda had the "wrestlemania feel" going into this (if you knew what i mean)
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Post by James Hetfield on Dec 28, 2008 19:50:44 GMT -5
Brock is still in my mind a paper champion. No one is the real Heavyweight champion yet.
None of the fights from UFC 92 went how I predicted. I went for Griffin, Silva and Nogueira.
Mir did an absolute fantastic job of beating Nogueira. He made it look very, very easy. I thought the fight would have went to the ground like it was hyped up to be, but it went the opposite. I think Mir was scared of going down with Nogueira, which is why he stood up.
Evans did well against Griffin too. Those shots at the end were BRUTAL. I too thought Griffin was tapping when he was getting mauled.
Silva didn't look too bad in the fight until obviously the end when he was getting trampled with punches. I don't think those last punches while Silva was on the ground were necessary. Completely uncalled for.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Dec 28, 2008 20:04:26 GMT -5
Brock is still in my mind a paper champion. No one is the real Heavyweight champion yet. Well, that's just your opinion on the matter and that's about as far as it goes. Seeing as Brock defeated Randy Couture who was the last reigning UFC Heavyweight champion of record, then by my understanding, he's the real Undisputed UFC champion. They never stripped Randy of the belt, so he was still the official UFC Heavyweight champion and Brock beat him. So that makes Brock the real champion. Not Frank Mir. The Interim-Heavyweight title doesn't really mean anything anyway. I mean, GSP was an Interim champion and he himself said it didn't mean anything to him until he captured the real belt, which he did. And the exact same thing applies to Brock. Brock beat the last UFC Heavyweight champion, so that makes him the REAL champ. None of this b.s. Interim garbage. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Dec 28, 2008 20:12:21 GMT -5
Brock even knows he isn't the real champion yet.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Dec 28, 2008 21:40:47 GMT -5
No disrespect to Rashard......but I did not see this coming. Perhaps, Forrest's mind was off. Shame really. Mir did exactly what I said he would.....win and win convincingly. Mir vs. Lesnar......time to put the steroid baby out! If he was using steroids, they would've busted him long by now. I really cannot wait for their 2nd fight so that Brock can prove you and everyone else wrong and to shut the critics up once and for all. Until Mir beats Lesnar again, he's just the wanna-be World Champ. Brock is the REAL World champ. Deal with it. If Brock wasnt on steroids at some point........he wouldnt flame up and walk out on interviews when asked about it. Brock will only prove to tap out again. Why does Mir have to beat Lesnar again to prove he is better? Right now its an inarguable fact that Mir is better.......HE BEAT LESNAR. Lesnar cannot say the same thing about Mir. Brock aint the champ of nothn. |
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Post by NYdream™ on Dec 28, 2008 21:48:10 GMT -5
If he was using steroids, they would've busted him long by now. I really cannot wait for their 2nd fight so that Brock can prove you and everyone else wrong and to shut the critics up once and for all. Until Mir beats Lesnar again, he's just the wanna-be World Champ. Brock is the REAL World champ. Deal with it. If Brock wasnt on steroids at some point........he wouldnt flame up and walk out on interviews when asked about it. Brock will only prove to tap out again. Why does Mir have to beat Lesnar again to prove he is better? Right now its an inarguable fact that Mir is better.......HE BEAT LESNAR. Lesnar cannot say the same thing about Mir. Brock aint the champ of nothn. Brock knows he was whoopin Franks ass until he made a rookie mistake and got caught. I hope Mir wins because I like Mir alot and cant wait to see this fight. But if Lesnar does not make the rookie mistakes he made before and I am not sure if he will since he is more experienced now then Frank may be in trouble. Although I hope Frank pulls it out! We will see! I cant wait!! |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Dec 28, 2008 21:51:28 GMT -5
If Brock wasnt on steroids at some point........he wouldnt flame up and walk out on interviews when asked about it. Brock will only prove to tap out again. Why does Mir have to beat Lesnar again to prove he is better? Right now its an inarguable fact that Mir is better.......HE BEAT LESNAR. Lesnar cannot say the same thing about Mir. Brock aint the champ of nothn. Brock knows he was whoopin Franks ass until he made a rookie mistake and got caught. I hope Mir wins because I like Mir alot and cant wait to see this fight. But if Lesnar does not make the rookie mistakes he made before and I am not sure if he will since he is more experienced now then Frank may be in trouble. Although I hope Frank pulls it out! We will see! I cant wait!! But thats my point. Lesnar has been competiting for a year in UFC and maybe 2 in MMA. Mir has a lot of experience on him. Experience is one of those factors that makes you a better fighter. Just b/c you are big and strong doesnt make you better if you make mistakes like Brock did. |
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Post by NYdream™ on Dec 28, 2008 21:58:52 GMT -5
Brock knows he was whoopin Franks ass until he made a rookie mistake and got caught. I hope Mir wins because I like Mir alot and cant wait to see this fight. But if Lesnar does not make the rookie mistakes he made before and I am not sure if he will since he is more experienced now then Frank may be in trouble. Although I hope Frank pulls it out! We will see! I cant wait!! But thats my point. Lesnar has been competiting for a year in UFC and maybe 2 in MMA. Mir has a lot of experience on him. Experience is one of those factors that makes you a better fighter. Just b/c you are big and strong doesnt make you better if you make mistakes like Brock did. Ok but just because Mir has more experience does not mean he wil win. Min Soo Kim, Heath Herring, and Randy outure all have more experience then Brock and he beat them. Randy Couture and Heath Herring have more experience than Frank Mir, and Min Soo Kim might i just dont feel like researching it, lol.. So the experience factore although it does help alot it is not always a deciding factor.. Brock has a solid talent besides size and power. He is a GREAT natrual wrestler and alot of people forget that... Just like Randy Couture and alot of other MMA legends were... |
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Post by johnnymalloy on Dec 28, 2008 22:05:05 GMT -5
I don't think people give Brock enough credit. He beat Randy Couture, that's something to be proud of...that's something that has to earn him some credit...I mean the guy is the UFC Heavyweight Champion in his 3rd fight...that's insanely awesome.
Will Mir beat Brock? Idk.
Mir has just a good of a chance of snatching a submission and tapping Brock, as Brock has of throwing his big ass fists and knocking Mir out.
Hopefully we'll find out soon, maybe June?
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Dec 28, 2008 22:26:50 GMT -5
I hope Evans makes the most of being champ, because he is just keeping the belt warm for Rampage.. Evans is not at all impressive to me, and when they meet, Rampage will put him to sleep, like he did Wanderlei..
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Post by BASTARDKING on Dec 28, 2008 22:29:57 GMT -5
I'm hoping we all get to see Rampage against Evans for the Belt in 09
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Post by James Hetfield on Dec 28, 2008 23:33:12 GMT -5
Hah, this "Lesnar was beating his ass at first" argument is funny. No one ever says "Tim Sylvia was beating Nogueira the whole fight, so Nogueira's win doesn't mean as much". These things happen in MMA all the time. I realize Lesnar was beating Mir up, but in the end, who won? Mir.
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Post by Codesters on Dec 28, 2008 23:48:50 GMT -5
Hah, about this "Lesnar was beating his ass at first" argument is funny. No one ever says "Tim Sylvia was beating Nogueira the whole fight, so Nogueira's win doesn't mean as much". These things happen in MMA all the time. I realize Lesnar was beating Mir up, but in the end, who won? Mir. agreed. It doesnt matter if mir was beaten to a pulp. fact is Borkc tapped. |
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Post by Sandy on Dec 29, 2008 1:32:33 GMT -5
Brock could have walked away from the win in the Mir fight. He was two or three hammerfists away from getting the win but instead of the ref stopping the fight and giving Lesnar the win..the ref stops the fight and takes a point away from Lesnar?
f***ing bullshit. I love how biased the WF forums are...
fighters that will never get the proper respect on these boards
Rashad Evans
Brock Lesnar
Rampage
I guess people that are fans of these fighters such as myself just have to deal with it. It doesn't matter if these fighters overcome all the odds and go undefeated on the way to becoming champion...knocking out Randy Couture in their 4th MMA fight...or putting Wanderlei Silva to sleep...there will always be excuses..
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Post by James Hetfield on Dec 29, 2008 1:41:55 GMT -5
I don't understand how you can say Lesnar, Evans and Jackson don't get respect. You seem to be pulling these accusations out of your ass.
I have seen people praise what Lesnar has done, as I have. Doing what he did in an extremely short span is great for him. But he lost to Mir. Like it or not, it's a loss on his record.
And about Evans, he's obviously good. He has an undefeated record (although Ortiz would have beaten him) and he's the current Light Heavyweight champion. Where do you see he doesn't get respect?
And Jackson pretty much speaks for himself. A great fighter in PRIDE and a great fighter in UFC. He needs no real explanation.
All if your claims stem from Lesnar's likes/dislikes from different people. I guess you need to learn the term "opinion".
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Post by Sandy on Dec 29, 2008 2:19:24 GMT -5
I don't understand how you can say Lesnar, Evans and Jackson don't get respect. You seem to be pulling these accusations out of your ass. I have seen people praise what Lesnar has done, as I have. Doing what he did in an extremely short span is great for him. But he lost to Mir. Like it or not, it's a loss on his record. And about Evans, he's obviously good. He has an undefeated record (although Ortiz would have beaten him) and he's the current Light Heavyweight champion. Where do you see he doesn't get respect? And Jackson pretty much speaks for himself. A great fighter in PRIDE and a great fighter in UFC. He needs no real explanation. All if your claims stem from Lesnar's likes/dislikes from different people. I guess you need to learn the term "opinion". an opinion is fine.. but Rampage wins..and maybe throws a punch or two more than he was supposed to and people say how wrong that was and blah blah blah. but Wanderlei pushes Rampage at the weigh-ins and that is fine? or what about when Bj sinked in that RNC on Pulver and held on a couple of seconds longer than he should have? Did anyone say ANYTHING about that? Nope. Because the boards have their favorites. And unfortunately for me the fighters I enjoy watching are the ones that always get sh***ed on. |
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Post by Sandy on Dec 29, 2008 2:21:23 GMT -5
and are you f***ing high? Lesnar gets anything but praise on these boards...
a couple of people may like him...but there are far more haters than fans..
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Post by James Hetfield on Dec 29, 2008 3:04:28 GMT -5
Just because Rampage did something wrong (which it was) doesn't make him any less of a fighter in my book. He's still one of the best in UFC.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Dec 29, 2008 6:09:17 GMT -5
Hah, this "Lesnar was beating his ass at first" argument is funny. No one ever says "Tim Sylvia was beating Nogueira the whole fight, so Nogueira's win doesn't mean as much". These things happen in MMA all the time. I realize Lesnar was beating Mir up, but in the end, who won? Mir. Yeah, he can thank Steve Mazzagatti for that win too because it was obvious to me that he saved him and you can't  ing deny it. If Mazzagatti didn't separate them, you've gotta know it was only a matter of time before Brock won. Brock wouldn't have got caught if Mazzagatti didn't separate them. He clearly would've won by ground and pound and you know it. If Brock has anything to say about it, I don't believe he'll allow Steve Mazzagatti to be the referee for any of his fights ever again and rightfully so, since he robbed him of a win against Frank Mir the first time around. And that wasn't an intentional strike to the back of Mir's head either and it certainly didn't warrant a deducted point or a ing separation. Mir was trying to avoid the strikes and he turned away and Brock grazed him on the back of the head. That wasn't Brock's fault that Mir turned. It was Mir's. Shoddy officiating that night for sure. Mir is in trouble for the 2nd fight and I can't wait until Brock beats him down and wins because I know it will happen. Enough said. |
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