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Post by King Silva on Nov 5, 2010 23:14:23 GMT -5
Damn I agree with him.
Airport stalker fans are a little much to me.
I don't know if I would want to sign that many autos either but I might give some to some fans I deemed worthy.
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Post by deskjet on Nov 5, 2010 23:14:57 GMT -5
You said this..... Hockey and UFC dont travel as much as WWE does, first of all. Secondly, when UFC is in the north east, I can tell you several folks head to the airports and hotels. Their autos are worth a few dollars on ebay. As far as their image being entirely based off of what you see on tv, you are completely wrong. Nexus was instructed not to sign or take pictures during a certain period of time this year. Before that and now, they do b/c that period is over. In addition, some of the guys still try and respect kayfabe. Orton almost never takes pics when he is a heel or sign. When he is a babyface, he does. But before, you said this.... Pandering to fans only puts money in their pockets in the long run. Gain a fan personally and they will buy more merchandise. I buy countless Edge and Jeff Hardy merch. Both have even thanked me. So are you suggesting that Nexxus and other wrestlers that uphold kayfabe are instructed not to make money or choose not to make money? I understand they make money other ways, but, contrastly it makes it seem that you are suggesting that in order for them to make money, they are under obligation to oblige those who want autos/pics.
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Post by AdamBomb on Nov 6, 2010 0:11:35 GMT -5
I really cannot stand Punk, they guy is a douchebag. I wonder how all y'all would act if this was anybody else besides your beloved CM Punk that said all this. If I ever saw a famous wrestler in public I'd try to talk to them. I doubt I'd ask for an auto though. I'd applaud them just as much. I like my personal space, and unless I invite you into it - I expect people to leave me alone. I expect the same vice versa. That's called courtesy where I come from, and having manners. The most I would do if saw a wrestler outside of a show, or a signing is shoot them a smile, and nod my head, or wave. I expect that if they want to be spoken to, they'd give me a friendly gesture, and wave me over.
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Post by slappy on Nov 6, 2010 0:29:22 GMT -5
I really cannot stand Punk, they guy is a douchebag. I wonder how all y'all would act if this was anybody else besides your beloved CM Punk that said all this. If I ever saw a famous wrestler in public I'd try to talk to them. I doubt I'd ask for an auto though. As many will tell you, I am Mr. Anti-Punk, but I'm still defending him here.
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Post by rudos on Nov 6, 2010 0:41:31 GMT -5
Celebrities are NEVER off the clock, when they are in public. Thats why its important to protect their image. Thats why they have PR managers. Yes they are no longer at work when they leave the arena. Wrestlers are not celebrities wrestlers are more like athletes. Hockey players don't get harrassed nearly as much as wrestlers do. Hell you don't hear UFC fighters getting harrassed nearly as much. Just because wrestlers do promos and things like that they're basically actors? No I disagree. Wrestlers are off the clock when they leave the ring, get changed and walk out of that arena. Their obligations to you are finished after that. Everything after that is secondary and based entirely on whether they want to or not. If they chose not to that is not indicative of his character. Their image is entirely based on what you see on TV or at a House Show, not if they sign a million autographs for fans after shows. All due respect, but where the hell have you been the last 5+ years? FYI wrestlers are now considered 'entertainers'. Entertainers = Celebrities. And say what you want about the entertainer being different from the person because they appear to be one and the same - arrogant and self-righteous. Hockey and UFC dont travel as much as WWE does, first of all. Secondly, when UFC is in the north east, I can tell you several folks head to the airports and hotels. Their autos are worth a few dollars on ebay. As far as their image being entirely based off of what you see on tv, you are completely wrong. Nexus was instructed not to sign or take pictures during a certain period of time this year. Before that and now, they do b/c that period is over. In addition, some of the guys still try and respect kayfabe. Orton almost never takes pics when he is a heel or sign. When he is a babyface, he does. I respectfully disagree with everything you said. However I will cease to argue leaving off on this post. Why do you think since Wrestlers travel more that means they should be MORE susceptable to being approached at airports? If they're travelling more that means they have less time to themselves and what little time they do have between flights and shows should be given to them hassle free... Should be but there are a lot of "fans" out there who refuse to have some common courtesy to just let them do their thing. Like I said, if there are those wrestlers out there that want to sign then golden crispy however you can't say so and so is an bunghole or a douche bag because they have no inclination to sign an autograph for you. That's just ignorance... I feel as though I should point out that when I say "you" I'm not directly referring to you it's a general statement. I am calling him a jerk not because he says 'no', he has every right to do so. My problem with him is the way that he goes about it - completely disrespecting another person by totally and utterly ignoring them. That behavior suggests that they are nothing more than a piece of s#!tin to him, not even worthy of a simple response. And he wonders why fans resort to tapping him and whatnot to get his attention. The man asks for respect, but is a walking contradiction. He needs to understand that his celebrity status means that people (especially younger people who may not have the same sense of courtesy and etiquette as someone his age) are going to recognize him wherever he goes, get starstruck, bother and annoy him. As someone else on here so eloquently said - he needs to find a better way to deal with it or GTFO. Maybe he could try living under a rock like some of the members on this forum.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2010 1:01:38 GMT -5
I've never seen a wrestler out in public before, although I did see Ron Simmons at a bar in Mellon Arena during Armageddon 2007. I politely asked for a photo and he obliged.
One of my friends saw Kane at a supermarket a few years back late at night. My friend and his girlfriend kinda stared since they weren't entirely sure it was him, but Kane eventually nodded and said hi and something along the lines of "yes, it's me" when they passed him after a few times. Kane apparently thought it was funny since he was smiling about it.
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Post by kojak on Nov 6, 2010 1:30:50 GMT -5
I've never seen a wrestler out in public before, although I did see Ron Simmons at a bar in Mellon Arena during Armageddon 2007. I politely asked for a photo and he obliged. One of my friends saw Kane at a supermarket a few years back late at night. My friend and his girlfriend kinda stared since they weren't entirely sure it was him, but Kane eventually nodded and said hi and something along the lines of "yes, it's me" when they passed him after a few times. Kane apparently thought it was funny since he was smiling about it. I met Kane at SDCC and I had him sign my RA5 Kane. And the whole time when he was signing he had a straight face but when I got up there I asked him (jokingly) Can you sign this "To my Best Friend Ebay?" And he laughed and smiled after that so it was kinda funny and cool.
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Post by Edge618 on Nov 6, 2010 4:00:27 GMT -5
I get where he's coming from, but i also hope that he appreciates the polite and die hard fans that wouldnt do that kind of thing, that would truly be honored to meet him and are not there to just bug him and pester him. Like if i seen him at an airport by chance i would not ask for an autograph, because first of all if it was by chance i wouldnt have a marker or anything for him to sign but i would maybe nonchalantly go up to him and tell him that im a big fan and that it was nice to meet him real quick if he didnt look busy. The scumbags who wait at airports are just pure scum, i dont care if they are their for ebay or if they are truly fans, there is a time to get autos. They say traveling is the WORST part about WWE, and thats when people want to try and catch them? I dunno to me it seems like he hates the annoying fans which is reasonable, and just seems to tolerate the true fans.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Nov 6, 2010 4:27:57 GMT -5
I really cannot stand Punk, they guy is a douchebag. I wonder how all y'all would act if this was anybody else besides your beloved CM Punk that said all this. If I ever saw a famous wrestler in public I'd try to talk to them. I doubt I'd ask for an auto though. I've always felt this way about celebrities. When I was very young, I saw former NBA star Robert Parrish in a restaurant. I begged my parents to let me get an autograph. They refused and I distinctly remember my mother saying, "The man has a right to eat in peace." There are a *few* situations where an autograph or a conversation might not be an imposition but those will be obvious. When a wrestler is obviously engaged in some kind of activity like reading or trying make his flight on time, hassling him for an auto is inappropriate.
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Post by Eat Defeat. on Nov 6, 2010 4:38:43 GMT -5
I've never seen a wrestler out in public before, although I did see Ron Simmons at a bar in Mellon Arena during Armageddon 2007. I politely asked for a photo and he obliged. One of my friends saw Kane at a supermarket a few years back late at night. My friend and his girlfriend kinda stared since they weren't entirely sure it was him, but Kane eventually nodded and said hi and something along the lines of "yes, it's me" when they passed him after a few times. Kane apparently thought it was funny since he was smiling about it. I met Kane at SDCC and I had him sign my RA5 Kane. And the whole time when he was signing he had a straight face but when I got up there I asked him (jokingly) Can you sign this "To my Best Friend Ebay?" And he laughed and smiled after that so it was kinda funny and cool. Lol.
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Post by deskjet on Nov 6, 2010 7:02:52 GMT -5
I've never seen a wrestler out in public before, although I did see Ron Simmons at a bar in Mellon Arena during Armageddon 2007. I politely asked for a photo and he obliged. One of my friends saw Kane at a supermarket a few years back late at night. My friend and his girlfriend kinda stared since they weren't entirely sure it was him, but Kane eventually nodded and said hi and something along the lines of "yes, it's me" when they passed him after a few times. Kane apparently thought it was funny since he was smiling about it. I met Kane at supermarket once too. I was surprised to see him so I slowly walked up beside him. I was pretty much at a loss for words and all I could say was " nice mellons". He turned around, yelled at me and said, "I'm not taking a picture!" Then proceeded to throw kum kwats, a canteloupe, and an assorted variety of fruits and vegetables at me, any of which would have been more properly suited on a party platter then on the back of my head. I did manage to sneak a picture of him in the shampoo section though
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Post by RoOSTA on Nov 6, 2010 10:05:53 GMT -5
HAHAHAHA oh my god...If you see the SAME people everywhere, then yeah, don't interact with them. When they visit certain countries and one STATE in that country is able to see 2 of a potential 30 superstar roster at an "official signing" then I tink its smart and almost EXPECTED by fans to go the the airport Punk was thee worst when I met him at an official signing and this is about the 4th or 5th story I've heard from fans around the world about what he is like, even when he is approached in a friendly manner. What a c*nt If you don't like it Punk (or other wrestlers), GTFO. Price ytou pay for fame. Why? What did CM Punk do? Chewing gum the whole time, looked extremely unethusiastic and when signing for a lot of people, including myself (mind you, this is for about a few hundred people in a shopping complex), he would frequently not even look up and use the 'hand gesture' as if to say "shoo" You know what I mean? Like when you're on a call and someone comes in the room and tries to talk to you, you lift your hand and gesture "F**K OFF FOR A MIN!" - well that's what I got. In the 30 odd wrestlers i've met in the last 10 yeatd, I have found the best to meet in person were AJ Styles, Gail Kim, John Cena was OK and Daniels. Chavo was also pretty cool, met him in 2002. Most recently it was DH, Natalya and Kidd - all 3 were great, esp Natalya and Kidd, very talkative, smiling, friendly and above all - ENTHUSIASTIC. I hate how some people here try and argue THEY ARE NOT CELEBRITIES THEY ARE ATHLETES! Well f**k me, Tiger Woods is no 'golfing athlete' then is he? It's as simple as this: If you're on TV, you're famous to a degree. If you're worldwide like most companies, that's even more fame - If you're famous and make headlines (and we know WWE strive for it, esp with RAW Guest Hosting), THEN YOU ARE A GOD DAMN CELEBRITY!
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Post by J.Freek on Nov 6, 2010 10:19:14 GMT -5
I remember going to a Raw years ago, and Punk was driving in but got stuck behind another car and these two guys kept yelling at punk for an autograph and even walked up to his car and started tapping at the window. You could see he was ignoring them on purpose.
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Post by Smash on Nov 6, 2010 11:00:43 GMT -5
Pandering to fans at the shows is their job. Part of their job is to convince the fans at the arena to buy their merchandise. If you make your decision to buy a t-shirt based on their interaction with you outside of the ring that's your perogative but that's not part of the job description. I'd buy CM Punk t-shirts regardless of if he signed for an autograph for me or not... Of course it's a PR move which is why CM Punk doesn't out right refuse every single time but there's a time and place. To harrass a wrestler every chance you get because you think your entitled to it as a wrestling fan is completely assinine. Failing that it also happens to play into character. Even John Cena who is widely regarded as one of the nicest people you can meet refused me an autograph when he was still a heel stating he only signed at "sanctioned WWE events". Did you ever see me saying John Cena is a douchebag? No in fact I'm still a huge fan because I understand the concept of it being his perogative and his choice. Once the wrestlers leave the arena they are off the clock and are "Just a guy" as CM Punk said. If they chose to sign something for you bonus but if they don't then you have to understand that's their choice and respect it. I'm not going to base my fandom on someone based on how willing they are to non stop play to fans outside of shows. Except Johnny Devine, I became a fan of him because I saw him become a star and he's always been a nice guy even coming back to Edmonton for PWA shows... Celebrities are NEVER off the clock, when they are in public. Thats why its important to protect their image. Thats why they have PR managers. You dont ing tap a celebrity when they are ignoring you. Thats stupid. And CM Showstopper, even if you buy it from a signing and sell it, its still scalping. Im not trying to pick a fight, man, at all. In fact, I say good on you for doing it, so dont get me wrong. You are calling me a scalper based off the definition of the word, which is fine. I am proud to be a ticket scalper. I proud to be an action figure scalper. But the subject is hand is scalpers from hotels/airports. People who go out and obtain autographs for free and sell them on ebay. The subject is NOT me selling a signed belt I got from a Jeff Hardy signing that I paid for and then sold on ebay. I am not saying selling stuff on ebay is bad. I am not saying being a scalper is bad. I simply stating that I am NOT one of those folks that I listed criteria for in previous posts.[/quote] You're still making money off of someone else's autograph. As long as you're still making a profit, I still don't see how that makes you any better than the other eBayers.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Nov 6, 2010 12:04:19 GMT -5
You said this..... But before, you said this.... Pandering to fans only puts money in their pockets in the long run. Gain a fan personally and they will buy more merchandise. I buy countless Edge and Jeff Hardy merch. Both have even thanked me. So are you suggesting that Nexxus and other wrestlers that uphold kayfabe are instructed not to make money or choose not to make money? I understand they make money other ways, but, contrastly it makes it seem that you are suggesting that in order for them to make money, they are under obligation to oblige those who want autos/pics. Seriously man? C'mon! I'm not gonna spell it out. You're a big boy. You get it. Lines blur all the time. Celebrities are NEVER off the clock, when they are in public. Thats why its important to protect their image. Thats why they have PR managers. You dont ing tap a celebrity when they are ignoring you. Thats stupid. And CM Showstopper, even if you buy it from a signing and sell it, its still scalping. Im not trying to pick a fight, man, at all. In fact, I say good on you for doing it, so dont get me wrong. You are calling me a scalper based off the definition of the word, which is fine. I am proud to be a ticket scalper. I proud to be an action figure scalper. But the subject is hand is scalpers from hotels/airports. People who go out and obtain autographs for free and sell them on ebay. The subject is NOT me selling a signed belt I got from a Jeff Hardy signing that I paid for and then sold on ebay. I am not saying selling stuff on ebay is bad. I am not saying being a scalper is bad. I simply stating that I am NOT one of those folks that I listed criteria for in previous posts. You're still making money off of someone else's autograph. As long as you're still making a profit, I still don't see how that makes you any better than the other eBayers. If you dont understand it by now, you never will. There is a difference between the scalpers wrestlers hate and scalpers who are scalping other crap. And if you pay for an auto, I guarantee you NO WRESTLER will give 2 craps if you ebay it. In fact, Kurt Angle even personalized "To Ebay Winner" on an 8X10 that a friend of mine is selling on ebay. HE PAID FOR THE AUTO.
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Post by Eat Defeat. on Nov 6, 2010 12:17:11 GMT -5
Why? What did CM Punk do? Chewing gum the whole time, looked extremely unethusiastic and when signing for a lot of people, including myself (mind you, this is for about a few hundred people in a shopping complex), he would frequently not even look up and use the 'hand gesture' as if to say "shoo" You know what I mean? Like when you're on a call and someone comes in the room and tries to talk to you, you lift your hand and gesture "F**K OFF FOR A MIN!" - well that's what I got. In the 30 odd wrestlers i've met in the last 10 yeatd, I have found the best to meet in person were AJ Styles, Gail Kim, John Cena was OK and Daniels. Chavo was also pretty cool, met him in 2002. Most recently it was DH, Natalya and Kidd - all 3 were great, esp Natalya and Kidd, very talkative, smiling, friendly and above all - ENTHUSIASTIC. I hate how some people here try and argue THEY ARE NOT CELEBRITIES THEY ARE ATHLETES! Well f**k me, Tiger Woods is no 'golfing athlete' then is he? It's as simple as this: If you're on TV, you're famous to a degree. If you're worldwide like most companies, that's even more fame - If you're famous and make headlines (and we know WWE strive for it, esp with RAW Guest Hosting), THEN YOU ARE A GOD DAMN CELEBRITY! And I agree with the Hart Dynasty part, they are always so friendly and accommodating, and always greet their fans with a smile.
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Post by ryanissexy on Nov 6, 2010 13:28:55 GMT -5
Boo-hoo. Then he should have been an accountant and not someone who makes a living from performing in front of crowds. You know that comes along with the territory and its hard for me to feel bad for him when you consider all the money he is making.
I can name a hundred people who would GLADLY trade places with him.
Boo-hoo.
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Post by gtm on Nov 6, 2010 18:41:02 GMT -5
I dont think anything he said wasnt fair.
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Post by missedgehead on Nov 6, 2010 23:15:14 GMT -5
I love how this "should fans ask wrestlers for autographs" issue becomes a huge federal case.
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Nov 7, 2010 1:51:11 GMT -5
CM Punk and every other Wrestler in the World has just as much of a right to turn-down signing something as a Fan does to ask for something of theirs to be signed by that Wrestler.
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