"WZ has learned..." WM28 Matches

Ok, there are no doubt some solid points in here. People were put off by HHH being forcefed to them in the mid 00's.

The thing i disagree with the most is the better worker thing. Perosnally i think Punk is below average, but thats just me. Triple H is has had classic matches that Punk can only dream of. Name some matches Punk has had that rival HHH's both in quality and in importance. Triple also has a much better moveset and isn't sloppy, which i think Punk is to a fault.


Triple H was the top guy in the year 2000 and it went over great, his status is absolutely there with Rock and Austin, thus the pop he recieves everytime his music hits. When he made the wrestle himself or a broomstick comment a few months back it actually got a pop.

HHH is inferior to Punk on the mic? Dude's promos are memorable. He didn't shoot '' pipe bombs'' to get himself over. He simply elaborated on his angles. Listen to all of his Summerslam 2002 hype video and tell me he wasn't awesome at making an already great story mean that much more.

DX is a huge part of Triple H's legacy, Punk will never be apart of something that popular or legendary imo.

As far as Punk being bigger than HHH when it's all said and done, he has a looooooooooooong way to go. Triple H got on top in 99 and is still on top. I can't see Punk being as important or dominant.

No he's delusional because he is writing CM Punk off like he doesn't matter. That's like me saying John Cena doesn't matter because only kids like him. It's ridiculous logic.

1. Not saying I agree with him, by the way.

2. 'only kids like John Cena' is far from a fact anyway.

3. You saying that Triple H pretends he is an icon when he's not is pretty damn delusional too.

Just reading through the thread though, this is more proof that people just can't handle it when they totally clash on something.

I don't care what you think is 'cool' now. Triple H still raises the roof, end of.

I was using Edge as an example as someone who has won the most titles, had the best matches without having Vince as a father in law

This is a crazy statement man. I dunno if that would ever, ever happen.

Good points but i think they were just trying to make it seem possible that HHH could win. The odds of him actually ending the streak are astronomical imo. Who's to say he would even accept something so sacred?

I'd love to see it happen though. The ultimate notch on the Game's belt!

Remember when Rock and Austin fought all 3 times you guys ( im not comparing the rivalry, just continuity). Match 1, Austin had Rock beat. Match 2, Rock had Austin beat but Austin found away to win. match 3, Rock had Austin still beat and he finished it. At the time i was mad Rock won, but looking back on it, it only made sense for Rock to win there last match since match 2 he nearly did.

HHH and Taker match 1, Taker had HHH beat. Match 2, HHH nearly killed Taker but Taker found away to win. A 3rd match between the two only favors HHH. In this case i am setting myself up for excitement instead of disappointment. Because if Taker whens i will be extremely happy. But if he looses ill be ok, because if this match does happen, Taker has already lost in my mind.
Im prepared for the worst.

I never said that, that was how rkorton interpreted what I wrote. Although, I am willing to say Triple H is more Legend than Icon, and there is a difference imo.

And what can't we handle? I think Punk is good, I think Triple H is good, when all is said and done I think Punk will be regarded as better. That's my opinion. He thinks Punk is a generic soda and that Triple H is the Rolls Royce of pro wrestling, I think that's crazy. I think the CM Punk love around here still drives you up a wall, so you're not exactly an unbiased mediator on this subject.

And to Hart Attack, DX was amazing, it was better when it was HHH and Shawn (97/98) imo, but they were still amazing. I'm not taking anything away from Triple H, but DX was right place, right time. CM Punk doesn't have the luxury of being a superstar during the height of professional wrestlings popularity, Triple H did. So you saying he had this match against this guy, and that match against this other guy over here does nothing for me. All I can do is compare two guys under the context of evaluating how I personally feel about their individual skill.

Punk has had plenty of great moments, winning MITB twice, his WHC heel runs, his feud with Jeff Hardy, Rey Mysterio, and John Cena. CM Punk is cementing his legacy as we speak. However CM Punk right now, in my opinion, is better than Triple H was in 2000. Punk just doesn't have the name value of opponents to feud with because guys like Cody and Ziggler are still coming along. I'm not trying to convince you to be a CM Punk fan, but that 6/27/11 promo will be remembered in wrestling history for a long time, as will CM Punk. I would get comfortable with the idea that he is going to be the man, and when all is said and done his name is going to be right there with Triple H and guys who were better than Triple H.

And I will put CM Punk's match against John Cena at MITB against any Triple H match in his career. I honestly think Triple H has had some incredible matches, his mid card stuff with Rock, his WWF Title stuff against Foley, and definitely his 02-04 matches with HBK, but Punk's matches with Jeff Hardy and Mysterio are on the level of Triple H's stuff from 99/00 imo, and his early stuff with JoMo and even William Regal is not to be discredited. Both guys are great, great, talents, and I think you will see before long that Punk is going to fall into the same breath as the Triple H's of the wrestling world.