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Post by NXT919 on Dec 24, 2014 12:40:58 GMT -5
I just thought that I'd share this with you guys. I really believe that Billy Gunn had Main-Event potential. Now, is it just me or do other people feel this way? Discuss-it-away!
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Post by Hendrix83 on Dec 24, 2014 13:00:04 GMT -5
Absolutely, he was main-event material. I've always said I thought Billy Gunn was on the right path in 1999 to becoming a World Champion. He won the King of the Ring tournament in '99, which was a good decision by WWF. His feud with The Rock in late 1999 pretty much guaranteed his main-event status. Unfortunately there was a series of events that prevented him from becoming a Champion. - Late '99 when Billy Gunn (as Mr. Ass) was red hot, Triple H just happens to reform D-Generation X. Billy Gunn was put back in the New Age Outlaws with Road Dogg. Once again he was pushed to the background.
- Early '99 Billy Gunn suffered a severe shoulder injury while a member of the New Age Outlaws. He was out of action for something like 6 months.
- When he came back it seemed like he was going to regain his status. For some asinine reason, the geniuses at WWF had him loose his gimmick in a match as a stipulation, when he lost to Right To Censor.
- After he lost the Mr. Ass gimmick he cut his hair and became "The One" Billy Gunn. He was relegated to the Hardcore (yes, the Hardcore) division.
- Billy and Chuck
I often wondered how different his career would have turned out if D-Generation X was never reformed. I think he never gained back the 1999 momentum that would have made him a star. While he was back in the Tag Team division great new stars like Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit emerged in the WWF. They took his spot because he wasn't competing for the spot. And he never recovered.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 13:08:59 GMT -5
Not even close.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 24, 2014 13:10:56 GMT -5
No. He was a mediocre at best worker, who was only over because of the New Age Outlaws, which had a LOT more to do with Road Dogg than himself. There's a reason he barely got mic time. The character Mr. Ass wasn't going to win any World Titles, and when he moved to his singles run, he sucked. His 1999 King of the Ring win blew and his SummerSlam match with the Rock was lackluster. After that, they realized "this guy isn't very good" and put him back where he belonged, which was the tag team division. There were FAR more talented performers than him at that time (Chris Jericho, Rock, Triple H, hell I'd even have bought Test as WWF Champion in 1999). If DX had never reformed he would've been in the mid-card or back in some sort of tag team, which they always put him in because that's all that he was ever good at. Totally overrated guy.
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Post by Infinite on Dec 24, 2014 13:17:49 GMT -5
He was aight
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 13:20:16 GMT -5
I think his best work was as the heel brother in Smokin' Gunns during 1996.
Rockabilly sucked.
Mr. Ass was a comedy gimmick at best and, as stated, was carried by Road Dogg's charisma and being in DX. Being named "Mr. Ass" was more of a curse because he would never be taken seriously with that name.
His KOTR win was a flop and received about as much praise as Mabel in 1995.
His feud with Rock was a failure because he couldn't keep up. This isn't Rock's fault either. HHH couldn't touch Rock on the mic either but still pulled off a main event feud against him which was successful.
The One gimmick sucked.
Billy and Chuck got media attention just because of the gay marriage stuff.
People will show you a Raw match he had with HHH where he got a loud pop. That was one match, one time. I can show you a Raw match where Taka Michinoku got the same reaction in a title match against HHH. It doesn't mean Taka was main event material either.
He was not main event material. Period.
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Post by sitruC on Dec 24, 2014 13:31:46 GMT -5
I think people always have mixed opinions and either hate or love him.
I liked him, definitely not on his own or main eventing though. The reference to Ziggler being like him is really stupid as well, but that's a topic for another day.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 24, 2014 13:33:20 GMT -5
You have no clue how much it bugs me when Dolph Ziggler is compared to Billy Gunn. Dolph has way more talent and is ten times the worker.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 13:35:02 GMT -5
You have no clue how much it bugs me when Dolph Ziggler is compared to Billy Gunn. Dolph has way more talent and is ten times the worker. And has forty times the charisma/personality. |
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Dec 24, 2014 13:56:01 GMT -5
I think his best work was as the heel brother in Smokin' Gunns during 1996. Rockabilly sucked. Mr. Ass was a comedy gimmick at best and, as stated, was carried by Road Dogg's charisma and being in DX. Being named "Mr. Ass" was more of a curse because he would never be taken seriously with that name. His KOTR win was a flop and received about as much praise as Mabel in 1995. His feud with Rock was a failure because he couldn't keep up. This isn't Rock's fault either. HHH couldn't touch Rock on the mic either but still pulled off a main event feud against him which was successful. The One gimmick sucked. Billy and Chuck got media attention just because of the gay marriage stuff. People will show you a Raw match he had with HHH where he got a loud pop. That was one match, one time. I can show you a Raw match where Taka Michinoku got the same reaction in a title match against HHH. It doesn't mean Taka was main event material either. He was not main event material. Period. Mr.Ass got a big pop on the second episode of SDs main event |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Dec 24, 2014 13:59:57 GMT -5
The New Age Outlaws in summer of 1998, were as popular as Steve Austin was. They made the tag division fun again. And Billy Gunn could bump, he could move for a big guy, he was strong, he really could do it all.
His mic' skills were another whole area though, and that wasn't gonna get Billy Gunn over in the main event status on his own. He needed Roadie to do the talking.
But was Billy Gunn a main event guy?? You tell me.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 14:59:08 GMT -5
The New Age Outlaws in summer of 1998, were as popular as Steve Austin was. They made the tag division fun again. And Billy Gunn could bump, he could move for a big guy, he was strong, he really could do it all. His mic' skills were another whole area though, and that wasn't gonna get Billy Gunn over in the main event status on his own. He needed Roadie to do the talking. But was Billy Gunn a main event guy?? You tell me..... He's teaming with Austin in 1998... You could've replaced Billy Gunn with Max Mini and he would've got a massive pop by teaming with Austin in 1998. |
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Post by NXT919 on Dec 24, 2014 15:10:57 GMT -5
I think his best work was as the heel brother in Smokin' Gunns during 1996. Rockabilly sucked. Mr. Ass was a comedy gimmick at best and, as stated, was carried by Road Dogg's charisma and being in DX. Being named "Mr. Ass" was more of a curse because he would never be taken seriously with that name. His KOTR win was a flop and received about as much praise as Mabel in 1995. His feud with Rock was a failure because he couldn't keep up. This isn't Rock's fault either. HHH couldn't touch Rock on the mic either but still pulled off a main event feud against him which was successful. The One gimmick sucked. Billy and Chuck got media attention just because of the gay marriage stuff. People will show you a Raw match he had with HHH where he got a loud pop. That was one match, one time. I can show you a Raw match where Taka Michinoku got the same reaction in a title match against HHH. It doesn't mean Taka was main event material either. He was not main event material. Period. BashcrashWiley, you do have a valid point. However, there is no denying that he is a hell of an athlete. |
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Post by NXT919 on Dec 24, 2014 15:12:15 GMT -5
The New Age Outlaws in summer of 1998, were as popular as Steve Austin was. They made the tag division fun again. And Billy Gunn could bump, he could move for a big guy, he was strong, he really could do it all. His mic' skills were another whole area though, and that wasn't gonna get Billy Gunn over in the main event status on his own. He needed Roadie to do the talking. But was Billy Gunn a main event guy?? You tell me..... I still think so. But I respect your statement. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Dec 24, 2014 15:30:27 GMT -5
The New Age Outlaws in summer of 1998, were as popular as Steve Austin was. They made the tag division fun again. And Billy Gunn could bump, he could move for a big guy, he was strong, he really could do it all. His mic' skills were another whole area though, and that wasn't gonna get Billy Gunn over in the main event status on his own. He needed Roadie to do the talking. But was Billy Gunn a main event guy?? You tell me..... I still think so. But I respect your statement. I was a huge Billy Gunn fan, and I had the old BCA figures at the time, and I even made Billy Gunn WWE Champion, but sadly I don't think he ever would have been WWE Champion with the likes of Rock, Foley, Austin, Taker, Triple H, and Kane around at the time. Now what pisses me off, is that Billy Gunn never had that IC Title win at the Royal Rumble over Shamrock in 1999. I think he would have made the IC Division amazing during that time frame. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Dec 24, 2014 15:32:09 GMT -5
I think his best work was as the heel brother in Smokin' Gunns during 1996. Rockabilly sucked. Mr. Ass was a comedy gimmick at best and, as stated, was carried by Road Dogg's charisma and being in DX. Being named "Mr. Ass" was more of a curse because he would never be taken seriously with that name. His KOTR win was a flop and received about as much praise as Mabel in 1995.His feud with Rock was a failure because he couldn't keep up. This isn't Rock's fault either. HHH couldn't touch Rock on the mic either but still pulled off a main event feud against him which was successful. The One gimmick sucked. Billy and Chuck got media attention just because of the gay marriage stuff. People will show you a Raw match he had with HHH where he got a loud pop. That was one match, one time. I can show you a Raw match where Taka Michinoku got the same reaction in a title match against HHH. It doesn't mean Taka was main event material either. He was not main event material. Period. He wasn't even supposed to win the KOTR that year, X-Pac was penciled in to win it. But for some reason it never happened. It's the main reason why Billy Gunn's KOTR win was a flop. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 24, 2014 15:34:14 GMT -5
It also flopped because he was never that good. He's a poster boy for "just because you're booked to win a lot of matches, doesn't mean you're a main event caliber guy." He looked out of place against the Rock for good reason. He didn't belong there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 15:43:34 GMT -5
You have no clue how much it bugs me when Dolph Ziggler is compared to Billy Gunn. Dolph has way more talent and is ten times the worker. I thought it was Christmas Eve not backwards day today. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 15:44:21 GMT -5
I like Billy Gunn. Were his matches classics? Half the time, no they weren't. But neither were Warriors or Luger's and I love the hell out of them. Was he the best talker? During that time, hell no. But neither was Luger or Warrior.
I honestly don't know why I'm bringing those two into the conversation... but they instantly come to mind when ppl talk about crap workers that are in the main event(or at least vying to be).
He should've kept the "BadAss" moniker because it fit with what the WWF was doing at the time. The change to Mr. Ass and the music to go along with it, coupled with guys like Austin and HHH and Rock being in the picture...well it doesn't take rocket appliances to figure out that he wasn't gonna make it out of the situation with title reigns next to his name.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 24, 2014 15:47:35 GMT -5
You have no clue how much it bugs me when Dolph Ziggler is compared to Billy Gunn. Dolph has way more talent and is ten times the worker. I thought it was Christmas Eve not backwards day today. You're totally right, it is Christmas Eve. I will let the bodies of work do the talking. Dolph is on a much higher level than Billy  ing Gunn. |
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