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Mattel WWE Design Team
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Post by MattelDesignTeam on Sept 23, 2015 1:08:58 GMT -5
Do NOT question my effort. Question whether or not you like the final product, that is your right as a consumer.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Lime Green Jello! on Sept 23, 2015 4:03:36 GMT -5
Those Marvel scans in the first post look hideous. I wasn't a fan of E39 Sting at first but when I saw the look they were going for, I changed my mind. Do NOT question my effort. Question whether or not you like the final product, that is your right as a consumer. This. Its a bit of a dick move to question their effort just because you don't like a figure.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Sept 23, 2015 4:39:19 GMT -5
Do NOT question my effort. Question whether or not you like the final product, that is your right as a consumer. That doesn't answer my question. My question was, given your resources, technology, and budget, do you feel Elite 39 Sting was the BEST you could have done? Could the shirt have been cloth? Because there is not one stitch of cloth in all Elite 39, and usually at the very least ONE figure has a cloth accessory, and usually they seem like odd selections. It's always said how expensive cloth is, but we've gotten things like Daniel Bryan's jump suit, t-shirts for guys like Kofi Kingston, and Mark Henry, situations where you really don't NEED cloth, but times when cloth would really make a difference (Hogan shirts could have been cloth, Lesnar shirts could have been cloth, Undertaker coats ,and now Sting) it's plastic or molded on. If cloth accessories are magic bullets; let's not waste them on guys who don't need them. Let's just look at one example: Elite 26...you've got Roadd Dogg with the PLASTIC shirt, and MARK HENRY gets the cloth shirt. That's a missed opportunity to make the Roadd Dogg figure PERFECT at the expense of a Mark Henry figure that the cloth shirt is not going to help the sales anyway. I understand the logic; Mattel probably figures "these nerds will buy Road Dogg with or without a cloth shirt, maybe the cloth shirt boosts the Mark Henry sales"....but by Series 26 then and especially by 39 now, it should be clear from what names DO and DO NOT traditionally sell well, that a cloth shirt is not going to help the sales of names that shelfwarm, but the cloth shirt COULD make another figure go from mediocre to close to perfect. Again, these are just my opinions.
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Post by D.B.K. on Sept 23, 2015 4:43:57 GMT -5
It's been Lack of effort on Mattel's side a lot lately. It's always the same with all the companies, first few years of contract they all put in extra effort, to make their product look as great as possible, then as the years go on, they just don't give a anymore
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Sept 23, 2015 5:24:32 GMT -5
Do NOT question my effort. Question whether or not you like the final product, that is your right as a consumer. That doesn't answer my question. My question was, given your resources, technology, and budget, do you feel Elite 39 Sting was the BEST you could have done? Could the shirt have been cloth? Because there is not one stitch of cloth in all Elite 39, and usually at the very least ONE figure has a cloth accessory, and usually they seem like odd selections. It's always said how expensive cloth is, but we've gotten things like Daniel Bryan's jump suit, t-shirts for guys like Kofi Kingston, and Mark Henry, situations where you really don't NEED cloth, but times when cloth would really make a difference (Hogan shirts could have been cloth, Lesnar shirts could have been cloth, Undertaker coats ,and now Sting) it's plastic or molded on. If cloth accessories are magic bullets; let's not waste them on guys who don't need them. Let's just look at one example: Elite 26...you've got Roadd Dogg with the PLASTIC shirt, and MARK HENRY gets the cloth shirt. That's a missed opportunity to make the Roadd Dogg figure PERFECT at the expense of a Mark Henry figure that the cloth shirt is not going to help the sales anyway. I understand the logic; Mattel probably figures "these nerds will buy Road Dogg with or without a cloth shirt, maybe the cloth shirt boosts the Mark Henry sales"....but by Series 26 then and especially by 39 now, it should be clear from what names DO and DO NOT traditionally sell well, that a cloth shirt is not going to help the sales of names that shelfwarm, but the cloth shirt COULD make another figure go from mediocre to close to perfect. Again, these are just my opinions. I here ya on all these points but cloth shirts really are just for guys that are peg warmers and hard cells or john Cena figs. Look at the last few releases e32 dbry, e34 cena, e35 orton, e36 bo, e37 cena, e38 dbry. They throw those shirts in with the weaker figs to make them a selling point. Sometimes those rubber shirts work but when u see these over sized shirts like road dogg or ziggler it's like give me a belt or some other accessory.
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Post by PJ on Sept 23, 2015 5:27:10 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with the head in the coat off pictures. So that leads me to believe the coat on pic was taken at an odd angle to make the head look oddly formed.
And while I am not a fan of the molded shirt that looks tucked into his single. My biggest gripe was the scorpions on the tights being so low. But then East Coast posted a pic of Sting in that singlet so it isn't wrong and I can accept the singlet now. Still I would have rather had the b55 singlet and a cloth shirt, but the figure is semi accurate to an singlet he wore in the WWE. Just that the shirt was black and not red. The red shirt and the jacket were worn on his RAW debut, but I think the singlet was the b55 one. Either way it's not a terrible figure it's just not my personal choice for what I had wanted him in.
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Sept 23, 2015 5:30:19 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with the head in the coat off pictures. So that leads me to believe the coat on pic was taken at an odd angle to make the head look oddly formed. And while I am not a fan of the molded shirt that looks tucked into his single. My biggest gripe was the scorpions on the tights being so low. But then East Coast posted a pic of Sting in that singlet so it isn't wrong and I can accept the singlet now. Still I would have rather had the b55 singlet and a cloth shirt, but the figure is semi accurate to an singlet he wore in the WWE. Just that the shirt was black and not red. The red shirt and the jacket were worn on his RAW debut, but I think the singlet was the b55 one. Either way it's not a terrible figure it's just not my personal choice for what I had wanted him in. Plus the inaccurate boots.
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Post by PJ on Sept 23, 2015 5:35:35 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with the head in the coat off pictures. So that leads me to believe the coat on pic was taken at an odd angle to make the head look oddly formed. And while I am not a fan of the molded shirt that looks tucked into his single. My biggest gripe was the scorpions on the tights being so low. But then East Coast posted a pic of Sting in that singlet so it isn't wrong and I can accept the singlet now. Still I would have rather had the b55 singlet and a cloth shirt, but the figure is semi accurate to an singlet he wore in the WWE. Just that the shirt was black and not red. The red shirt and the jacket were worn on his RAW debut, but I think the singlet was the b55 one. Either way it's not a terrible figure it's just not my personal choice for what I had wanted him in. Plus the inaccurate boots. I don't think the boots are inaccurate. They look like what he wears. Now the '90 GAB Sting has the wrong boots in the pic they showed at SDCC. They gave him laced boots so hopefully that gets fixed. But they gave e39 the same boots mold as his first DM and B55 which look pretty accurate for modern Sting. (And at least they tucked in the pant legs which he didn't when he wore this Singlet)
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Sept 23, 2015 5:43:24 GMT -5
Plus the inaccurate boots. I don't think the boots are inaccurate. They look like what he wears. Now the '90 GAB Sting has the wrong boots in the pic they showed at SDCC. They gave him laced boots so hopefully that gets fixed. But they gave e39 the same boots mold as his first DM and B55 which look pretty accurate for modern Sting. (And at least they tucked in the pant legs which he didn't when he wore this Singlet) Hard to see on these but they shiny with the scorpion logo free image host
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Sept 23, 2015 5:47:06 GMT -5
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Post by PJ on Sept 23, 2015 5:49:02 GMT -5
They might still get the scorpion and gloss. But the boot style is correct. I thought you meant the wrong style boot.
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Sept 23, 2015 5:50:16 GMT -5
They might still get the scorpion and gloss. But the boot style is correct. I thought you meant the wrong style boot. I think lawler boots would have worked better.
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Post by PJ on Sept 23, 2015 5:55:00 GMT -5
They might still get the scorpion and gloss. But the boot style is correct. I thought you meant the wrong style boot. I think lawler boots would have worked better. I actually had some Lawler boots set aside in case modern Sting came with an untucked pants leg. I was going to swap them. I also have a pair of white Dolph boots and a pair of DM Sting boots set aside in case the '90 GAB Sting does indeed come with the laced boots the pic showed him in. I will either pop on Dolph's or paint Sting's white and pop them on. But that figure will go on my shelves front row and as close to perfect as I can get it. lol
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Sept 23, 2015 6:15:25 GMT -5
I think lawler boots would have worked better. I actually had some Lawler boots set aside in case modern Sting came with an untucked pants leg. I was going to swap them. I also have a pair of white Dolph boots and a pair of DM Sting boots set aside in case the '90 GAB Sting does indeed come with the laced boots the pic showed him in. I will either pop on Dolph's or paint Sting's white and pop them on. But that figure will go on my shelves front row and as close to perfect as I can get it. lol I thought about getting lawler boots too but that DM lower leg is so wide I'm not sure how it will look on them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 6:35:36 GMT -5
Either way, I'm saving money...on topic, I'm not one to comment...
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Post by popyduggan on Sept 23, 2015 6:43:25 GMT -5
I've come around to liking this figure, and I think the downside is more budget-related so this might fall under "ability", but if you want to wrestle around with him you're pretty much stuck with a T-shirt Sting because of the coat, now you could just the DM coat, but then there goes the detail, so E39 Sting is best used as a display piece instead of an action figure(unless Ralph's has a fabric version of the same coat].
As far as Mattel $#&%ing the bed on this one? No, sorry, no, lol. You'll probably get another or more that meet your expectations in 2016.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 6:53:29 GMT -5
I think that maybe they needed the additional budget for e40. Maybe with balors paint apps and entrance gear and zayns paint apps and belt mold, they had to cheap out on e40. Just a thought. That's IF they're in the same set even
Plus mania 31 sting will probably be a baf elite set
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Post by allabouthasbro on Sept 23, 2015 7:06:06 GMT -5
100% agree with the op. Regardless of whether bill is happy about it or not, there is a severe lack of answers to the feedback and questions that people offer up.
I eat, sleep, buy elite, but that sting clearly has a bad case of legohead-itus.
Its the same with the debut kane, for such an iconic moment the terrible headscan and the 'tall xpac' body. He was BIG when he debuted.
and going off topic, but hopfully the powers that be will read this...the re-release of the undertaker "exclusive" will be out soon in the defining moments line.....but the nwo hogan was the sacrifice made to get that....nwo hogan could have been ready to go and showing up in stores now, but you allowed the purity of evil to guide you!
Bill, thats not a good thing......thats....a bad thing.
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hoganvspiper
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Post by hoganvspiper on Sept 23, 2015 7:11:30 GMT -5
Do NOT question my effort. Question whether or not you like the final product, that is your right as a consumer.
Ok fair enough. I think it would be cool however if opinions were occasionally solicited regarding flashbacks prior to production. I found an old thread where you had asked what attire people would prefer for Macho Man from his WCW days. I thought, wow, it's cool that there's an exchange between the product designers and the consumers. I'd personally like to see more of that.
One can argue that the people on this forum represent a small subset of the consumers, however, I don't think the rest of the consumer base cares as much as we do about the final look of the flashback figures.
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Sept 23, 2015 7:37:44 GMT -5
I think that maybe they needed the additional budget for e40. Maybe with balors paint apps and entrance gear and zayns paint apps and belt mold, they had to cheap out on e40. Just a thought. That's IF they're in the same set even Plus mania 31 sting will probably be a baf elite set Are they still doing baf elites?
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