TOOxSW33T
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Post by TOOxSW33T on Jun 14, 2019 22:18:59 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with Mattel making same figures a lot of collectors and kids will want every AJ, Reigns, Finn etc
I buy every Finn even Re Releases
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Post by alphadeltaxray on Jun 14, 2019 22:36:23 GMT -5
My kids are still young and all there friends parents still watch wrestling and I can't count how many parents watch it cause theres so many we have gone to raw with so many other kids and there parents so I'm not sure what your trying to say I am saying just because kids are watching it doesn’t mean their parents do. Well, here's my point. All of these are still in most stores, give or take. But I can vouch that between 2 Walmarts and 2 Targets near me, all of these are warming the shelves at at least 1 of these stores (except 97 because it'snot in retail yet): AJ Styles Basic: 95, 97, Top Talent 2018, Top Talent 2019 AJ Styles Elite: Top Talent 2018, Top Talent 2019, Elite 66. That's, count em, 7 figures of AJ Styles that were all released in close proximity of each other. And that's what Im talking about. No one minds seeing 1, 2, or sometimes even 3 AJ figures. But even die hard fans must get sick of buying the same figure over and over and over again. The 2018 Top Talent Finn Balor looks identical to the 2019 TT except for his knee pads. I doubt even the biggest collectors are going to buy the same figure because of different knee pads. You have TT 2019 on the pegs already? We haven’t gotten an Elite around here since Walmart had the WM display. And the area Target have only gotten E63-E66 and NXT 4 and the only ones from E66 that are backing up are Harper and Rowen. Yes the three Targets still have a few Top Picks 2018 Styles on the pegs. And 2018 Balor is the WM Gay Pride (Balor Club is for everybody) attire. And the 2019 Balor is the GRR(?) PPV silver trunks. And yes that is a figure I am really looking forward to. I think so. Maybe I mistook them for the 2018 TT's, idk. But im sure I saw the 2019 TT AJ Elite somewhere. I'm almost never paying attention to the TT's basic or elite- except for the 2018 TT Seth Rollins that came with 2 belts. I love the way they displayed the belts in the box like that. I'm going back there Sunday, so I'll check to see which ones they were.
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jun 14, 2019 23:52:26 GMT -5
Most parents has no idea that they're buying their kids the same Braun or Roman they just know the kids want it so they buy it no matter how many of the same Roman they have. Most parents watch wrestling so I'm sure they know who there buying why else would the kid know who the wrestlers are if the parents didnt watch it Im not saying it's the case for everybody but I know plenty of kids in my family that watches wrestling or at least knows enough about it to want figures of it but their parents couldn't tell you the difference in Braun and Roman to somebody like Titus or Elias what I'm getting at they never watched the product or never will. For example my nephew has been a huge wrestling fan since he's been 3 or 4 and now he's over 18 but his mom or dad never watches or have any idea who any are besides maybe ones like Cena or Finn(he's a big fan of Finn) and I've seen plenty of times they bought him figures of guys that he has piles of already and I've seen him buy the same figure that he bought recently just because he wanted to buy something and she didn't have the slightest idea he already had it. What I'm mostly getting at it's nice that you share the same love of something your kids do but that's not the case most of the time. When I was a kid I was a big TMNT and Ghostbusters fan my parents bought me plenty of figures of both but never had a idea who any of the characters were.
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Post by nocturnal on Jun 15, 2019 2:30:30 GMT -5
I understand the theory behind the Top Picks, but I've seen the Elite sections of probably 30 combined Walmart and Target stores since the Great Hunt For Dunne began, and it seems their pegs are as stagnant as the worst of the main line or NXT. There are SO many 2018 AJs and Brauns wallowing way too close to Shower Rusev for months now. I really question how many of the stores I've been to could possibly be getting any 2019 Top Picks because there's no room. I think there was probably a need for something like this but they overshot the threshold and haven't let off the throttle. It would seem like they should lay off repeating the Top Picks guys in the main line so often too, but I suppose the very few Rollins from 64 that I've seen left would inform me that apparently they're selling. I think the AJ from 66 is pretty weak, so it'll be interesting to see whether it warms like his 2018 TP.
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Post by Elitemainia on Jun 15, 2019 10:04:55 GMT -5
Most parents watch wrestling so I'm sure they know who there buying why else would the kid know who the wrestlers are if the parents didnt watch it Im not saying it's the case for everybody but I know plenty of kids in my family that watches wrestling or at least knows enough about it to want figures of it but their parents couldn't tell you the difference in Braun and Roman to somebody like Titus or Elias what I'm getting at they never watched the product or never will. For example my nephew has been a huge wrestling fan since he's been 3 or 4 and now he's over 18 but his mom or dad never watches or have any idea who any are besides maybe ones like Cena or Finn(he's a big fan of Finn) and I've seen plenty of times they bought him figures of guys that he has piles of already and I've seen him buy the same figure that he bought recently just because he wanted to buy something and she didn't have the slightest idea he already had it. What I'm mostly getting at it's nice that you share the same love of something your kids do but that's not the case most of the time. When I was a kid I was a big TMNT and Ghostbusters fan my parents bought me plenty of figures of both but never had a idea who any of the characters were. How can your nephews parents be a fan of finn balor if they don't watch it.i mean they have to have watched it at some point to know who he is. I don't watch wrestling all the time there are weeks I do miss it due to my work schedule but basically your nephew parents have watched it before.and yeah I was a tmnt and Ghostbusters fan too but to compare the 80s and 90s cartoons to wrestling Is different I didnt know any parents who watched cartoons then. but my dad watched wrestling.all I'm trying to say is parents watch wrestling at some point. yes not all do.and the ones that do are well aware of who they are buying for there kids.
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Post by PJ on Jun 15, 2019 12:48:43 GMT -5
Im not saying it's the case for everybody but I know plenty of kids in my family that watches wrestling or at least knows enough about it to want figures of it but their parents couldn't tell you the difference in Braun and Roman to somebody like Titus or Elias what I'm getting at they never watched the product or never will. For example my nephew has been a huge wrestling fan since he's been 3 or 4 and now he's over 18 but his mom or dad never watches or have any idea who any are besides maybe ones like Cena or Finn(he's a big fan of Finn) and I've seen plenty of times they bought him figures of guys that he has piles of already and I've seen him buy the same figure that he bought recently just because he wanted to buy something and she didn't have the slightest idea he already had it. What I'm mostly getting at it's nice that you share the same love of something your kids do but that's not the case most of the time. When I was a kid I was a big TMNT and Ghostbusters fan my parents bought me plenty of figures of both but never had a idea who any of the characters were. How can your nephews parents be a fan of finn balor if they don't watch it.i mean they have to have watched it at some point to know who he is. I don't watch wrestling all the time there are weeks I do miss it due to my work schedule but basically your nephew parents have watched it before.and yeah I was a tmnt and Ghostbusters fan too but to compare the 80s and 90s cartoons to wrestling Is different I didnt know any parents who watched cartoons then. but my dad watched wrestling.all I'm trying to say is parents watch wrestling at some point. yes not all do.and the ones that do are well aware of who they are buying for there kids. Not necessarily they can know Cena because of the Today show and movies. And with Finn they don’t need to have seen him. He said his nephew is a big fan not the parents. They could just know him by name (from looking for his figures for the son) and know who is is now because of the images on the cards/boxes or posters. There’s been plenty of times I had seen parents and grandparents looking for figures at TRU/Target/WalMart who had no clue to who they were other than the name of the wrestler:character the kids wanted.
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Post by Elitemainia on Jun 15, 2019 13:46:46 GMT -5
Not necessarily they can know Cena because of the Today show and movies. And with Finn they don’t need to have seen him. He said his nephew is a big fan not the parents. They could just know him by name (from looking for his figures for the son) and know who is is now because of the images on the cards/boxes or posters. There’s been plenty of times I had seen parents and grandparents looking for figures at TRU/Target/WalMart who had no clue to who they were other than the name of the wrestler:character the kids wanted. Thank you for clearing things up So there for the parents know who they are buying because of the kids and watching TV I rest my case
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Post by PJ on Jun 15, 2019 13:53:00 GMT -5
Not necessarily they can know Cena because of the Today show and movies. And with Finn they don’t need to have seen him. He said his nephew is a big fan not the parents. They could just know him by name (from looking for his figures for the son) and know who is is now because of the images on the cards/boxes or posters. There’s been plenty of times I had seen parents and grandparents looking for figures at TRU/Target/WalMart who had no clue to who they were other than the name of the wrestler:character the kids wanted. Thank you for clearing things up So there for the parents know who they are buying because of the kids and watching TV I rest my case That’s not what I said but whatever. lol
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Post by maske2g on Jun 15, 2019 14:19:48 GMT -5
There were numerous posts a few years back, that Mattel had literally ran out of legends to make.
Names like Pat Patterson and Terry Taylor, still work for WWE and are absolutely scraping the barrel. A few names, such as Mabel were a complete shock.
Names that were in the concussion lawsuit could get figures depending how much grovelling they do to WWE to get back on good terms I guess.
Funny that after nearly 10 years of Mattel figures, people still base Mattels global demand off of their local Walmart. 1 of 6000 stores is a good measuring stick if you want to be wrong I guess.....
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jun 15, 2019 15:25:27 GMT -5
Im not saying it's the case for everybody but I know plenty of kids in my family that watches wrestling or at least knows enough about it to want figures of it but their parents couldn't tell you the difference in Braun and Roman to somebody like Titus or Elias what I'm getting at they never watched the product or never will. For example my nephew has been a huge wrestling fan since he's been 3 or 4 and now he's over 18 but his mom or dad never watches or have any idea who any are besides maybe ones like Cena or Finn(he's a big fan of Finn) and I've seen plenty of times they bought him figures of guys that he has piles of already and I've seen him buy the same figure that he bought recently just because he wanted to buy something and she didn't have the slightest idea he already had it. What I'm mostly getting at it's nice that you share the same love of something your kids do but that's not the case most of the time. When I was a kid I was a big TMNT and Ghostbusters fan my parents bought me plenty of figures of both but never had a idea who any of the characters were. How can your nephews parents be a fan of finn balor if they don't watch it.i mean they have to have watched it at some point to know who he is. I don't watch wrestling all the time there are weeks I do miss it due to my work schedule but basically your nephew parents have watched it before.and yeah I was a tmnt and Ghostbusters fan too but to compare the 80s and 90s cartoons to wrestling Is different I didnt know any parents who watched cartoons then. but my dad watched wrestling.all I'm trying to say is parents watch wrestling at some point. yes not all do.and the ones that do are well aware of who they are buying for there kids. Sorry I didn't mean his parents were big Balor fans I meant my nephew is and that's why they know him he has t-shirts and posters etc so they know him from that and Cena was his favorite when he was young so that's the same way for him. They've never watched a single episode or PPV or anything like that he started watching it early when he was a kid that's what got me b ack into it so now he comes over my house to watch the PPVs etc I agree the cartoon comparison doesn't really work how about football I know parents doesn't watch sports and their kids still loves it but I think it's that case for alot of things like I said earlier it's not always the case but I think it happens more then people might think. Sorry to everyday for getting the thread off topic.
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jun 15, 2019 15:30:18 GMT -5
Not necessarily they can know Cena because of the Today show and movies. And with Finn they don’t need to have seen him. He said his nephew is a big fan not the parents. They could just know him by name (from looking for his figures for the son) and know who is is now because of the images on the cards/boxes or posters. There’s been plenty of times I had seen parents and grandparents looking for figures at TRU/Target/WalMart who had no clue to who they were other than the name of the wrestler:character the kids wanted. Yeah that's what I meant to say I didn't write it to clearly my nephew the fan not his parents but like I said in the last comment I'm sorry to get off topic so I'll leave it there.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jun 15, 2019 16:18:43 GMT -5
I think one thing that hurts Mattel is that they aren’t signing their own legends and are going through WWE. Jakks was able to just cut the check and the wrestler got paid. Now WWE is involved some guys might not be so quick to sign
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Post by stc13 on Jun 15, 2019 17:02:29 GMT -5
I think one thing that hurts Mattel is that they aren’t signing their own legends and are going through WWE. Jakks was able to just cut the check and the wrestler got paid. Now WWE is involved some guys might not be so quick to sign Many guys are never going to sign, period. Legends deals just don't make financial sense for some wrestlers. It's a 6 year deal that signs away all global marketing rights and trademarks. When Mattel and Jakks signed wrestlers to direct deals they were paid for use of their likeness, but still retained the ability to sign other merch deals for other items. Unless something changes, it's pretty much what you see is what you get.
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Post by taserface on Jun 15, 2019 18:28:26 GMT -5
There were numerous posts a few years back, that Mattel had literally ran out of legends to make. Names like Pat Patterson and Terry Taylor, still work for WWE and are absolutely scraping the barrel. A few names, such as Mabel were a complete shock. Names that were in the concussion lawsuit could get figures depending how much grovelling they do to WWE to get back on good terms I guess. Funny that after nearly 10 years of Mattel figures, people still base Mattels global demand off of their local Walmart. 1 of 6000 stores is a good measuring stick if you want to be wrong I guess..... It’s a good measuring stick that everyone’s stores are usually crap on this whole board. That’s not just going off one store Also Mattel wasted so many names that they had signed, and did nothing with them that they could have Rick Martel (blue, Strike Force) Crush (multiple looks) Smash (Repo Man) Demolition repaints One Man Gang Superstar Billy Graham Jericho (WCW, Codebreaker, 500 other looks thru the years) Greg Valentine I’m sure others too. They make 3 Fred Ottoman figures in a year, but stall on names like Sting, Hogan, Jericho. Makes zero sense Choices that they are making (Bill I guess?) will come back to bite them, in turn hurting us as the collector portion of this line - Shinsuke Ult Edition. Really? - That Asuka he had planned will take up in an Elite spot. She can’t even stay relevant on tv - the shower time Rusev was an idiotic idea in the first place Amongst other decisions
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Post by Elitemainia on Jun 15, 2019 18:53:11 GMT -5
There were numerous posts a few years back, that Mattel had literally ran out of legends to make. Names like Pat Patterson and Terry Taylor, still work for WWE and are absolutely scraping the barrel. A few names, such as Mabel were a complete shock. Names that were in the concussion lawsuit could get figures depending how much grovelling they do to WWE to get back on good terms I guess. Funny that after nearly 10 years of Mattel figures, people still base Mattels global demand off of their local Walmart. 1 of 6000 stores is a good measuring stick if you want to be wrong I guess..... It’s a good measuring stick that everyone’s stores are usually crap on this whole board. That’s not just going off one store Also Mattel wasted so many names that they had signed, and did nothing with them that they could have Rick Martel (blue, Strike Force) Crush (multiple looks) Smash (Repo Man) Demolition repaints One Man Gang Superstar Billy Graham Jericho (WCW, Codebreaker, 500 other looks thru the years) Greg Valentine I’m sure others too. They make 3 Fred Ottoman figures in a year, but stall on names like Sting, Hogan, Jericho. Makes zero sense Choices that they are making (Bill I guess?) will come back to bite them, in turn hurting us as the collector portion of this line - Shinsuke Ult Edition. Really? - That Asuka he had planned will take up in an Elite spot. She can’t even stay relevant on tv - the shower time Rusev was an idiotic idea in the first place Amongst other decisions You are right with all those wrestlers they missed out on.the ones that stand out most to me are legion of doom so many attires they could have done they are making bad decisions on the figures they put out so many nwo figures they could do but don't. shock master c'mon I mean really no wonder the legend figures don't sell look at what they are putting out make the legends people want. the shark really alot of people don't even remember that Character from wcw.but we can't get a Jericho wcw elite and now we will probably never get one. this years sdcc macho man is one of the best decisions they made in awhile
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Post by stc13 on Jun 15, 2019 21:10:05 GMT -5
There were numerous posts a few years back, that Mattel had literally ran out of legends to make. Names like Pat Patterson and Terry Taylor, still work for WWE and are absolutely scraping the barrel. A few names, such as Mabel were a complete shock. Names that were in the concussion lawsuit could get figures depending how much grovelling they do to WWE to get back on good terms I guess. Funny that after nearly 10 years of Mattel figures, people still base Mattels global demand off of their local Walmart. 1 of 6000 stores is a good measuring stick if you want to be wrong I guess..... It’s a good measuring stick that everyone’s stores are usually crap on this whole board. That’s not just going off one store Also Mattel wasted so many names that they had signed, and did nothing with them that they could have Rick Martel (blue, Strike Force) Crush (multiple looks) Smash (Repo Man) Demolition repaints One Man Gang Superstar Billy Graham Jericho (WCW, Codebreaker, 500 other looks thru the years) Greg Valentine I’m sure others too. They make 3 Fred Ottoman figures in a year, but stall on names like Sting, Hogan, Jericho. Makes zero sense Choices that they are making (Bill I guess?) will come back to bite them, in turn hurting us as the collector portion of this line - Shinsuke Ult Edition. Really? - That Asuka he had planned will take up in an Elite spot. She can’t even stay relevant on tv - the shower time Rusev was an idiotic idea in the first place Amongst other decisions Some of those can be blamed 100% on the failure of the Legends line. They had great names under contract, killed the Legends line, sat on the contracts, and then rushed to push out some figures before the deals expired when Legends were added to the Elite line. In some alternate reality, Mattel rides out the bumps with the Legends line and I think the health of the whole WWE line is in a much better place with a bunch of figures made that we'll ultimately never get. But Bill is definitely guilty of holding back certain in demand attires and characters. It's beyond frustrating, and continues to come back to bite them (Hogan, Foley, Jericho) - but they never seem to learn their lesson. There is a placeholder lineup circulating that shows WCW Jericho for an upcoming Elite lineup. Never going to happen now obviously, but it just twists the knife deeper knowing that they had a decade to what would have been an iconic figure, and sat on their hands until it was literally a few months too late.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 21:45:46 GMT -5
I doubt anything will change because WWE doesn't care if certain older wrestlers sign a legends deal or not. The only ones they have interest in are the main eventers whom they can make money off due to their popularity.
I don't understand why they wouldn't release secondary figures of the legends they had under contract, specifically ones that taserface mentioned like Martel, Crush, Demolition and One Man Gang?! Why wouldn't you try and get back some of the money you paid out to these guys, that seems like a waste to me to have them under contract but not make any figures- isn't that why you signed them in the first place?! Co-incidentally these are some of the guys that I don't think would have any interest in signing a legends deal, they all initially signed with Mattel but have not re-signed now that they have to go through WWE and sign a legends deal.
The way Mattel has handled releases of legends figures is why I don't want to see them renew their deal with WWE. I think this line has run its course, it would be nice to see releases of some of the mid-carders that haven't been made but in the current environment with Mattel's constant cost cutting and the terrible distribution of these figures, I am not very excited about new release as I used to be. Due to Mattel's ongoing financial struggles, I think even if they renewed the deal that things would just continue the same- distribution will continue to be terrible, quality will continue to suffer due to the cost cutting measures and new faces in the line will be few and far between.
Yeah, I wonder what the deal was with Frank Ottman, why were they pumping out figures of his various gimmicks one after the other in such a short time span?! They did the same thing with John Tenta, 3 different figures in a relatively short time span- why couldn't they give this treatment to Demolition, Martel and Crush when they had then under contract.
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Post by legendsguy on Jun 15, 2019 21:56:21 GMT -5
I doubt anything will change because WWE doesn't care if certain older wrestlers sign a legends deal or not. The only ones they have interest in are the main eventers whom they can make money off due to their popularity.
I don't understand why they wouldn't release secondary figures of the legends they had under contract, specifically ones that taserface mentioned like Martel, Crush, Demolition and One Man Gang?! Why wouldn't you try and get back some of the money you paid out to these guys, that seems like a waste to me to have them under contract but not make any figures- isn't that why you signed them in the first place?! Co-incidentally these are some of the guys that I don't think would have any interest in signing a legends deal, they all initially signed with Mattel but have no res-signed now that they have to go through WWE and sign a legends deal.
Yeah, I wonder what the deal was with Frank Ottman, why were they pumping out figures of his various gimmicks one after the other in such a short time span?! They did the same thing with John Tenta, 3 different figures in a relatively short time span- why couldn't they give this treatment to Demolition, Martel and Crush when they had then under contract.
you guys forgot about Kerry and Kevin von Erich.. why the hell haven't they been re-signed.. Kevin seems to be on good terms with WWE as far as I know. And the only assumption I have is that Tenta/Ottman were given the OK by WWE to make a figure and then Mattel went out and signed them to a likeness deal. like they should be doing now, which Im guessing is what they did with Mabel and Muraco. The HOF thing also baffles me, they need to break out the list of HOF'ers and one by one see who the hell they can make and push for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 22:20:54 GMT -5
I think the Von Erichs are currently signed as they have recently released trading cards of them and also there was a rumoured Texas Tornado figure which was apparently slated for the now-defunct Hall of Champions line. Most of the legends figures that were released in the past few years were being released in the store exclusive lines- those have all been cancelled except for Retro Fest (who knows how long that will last, I think its probably next on the chopping block).
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Post by cldbld on Jun 15, 2019 22:24:21 GMT -5
All I see on the Pegs near me is AJ top picks, Nakamura, Charlotte, and James Ellsworth.
Thought the whole point of releasing these 4 top picks every so often was to be able to purchase 1 or all of these 4. Have seen Rollins once, but never the other 2. But there is 7 top pick AJs.
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