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Post by K5 on May 21, 2020 14:15:32 GMT -5
My only problem with the show, is that more often than not they're only telling one side of the story. Like I said earlier, they could have done so much more with the Owen episode. Why not interview Bret? Why not the police? Why not the guy who was responsible for the stunt? Rather than just saying Vince is the devil each week, give fans multiple perspectives and let them judge for themselves. Considering how many autograph conventions and shows Bret has done which are low level, I'm sure they reached out but I'm guessing if the show directly related to something bad Vince McMahon did that wasn't Montreal related Bret passed. I'm a huge Bret fan but it's all about HIS legacy, nothing more. Bret might talk poorly of Shawn and Hunter in shoots but at this point with Vince owning so much of Vince's footage he will keep his mouth shut about anything that will portray Vince poorly. I'm sure the producers reached out to a lot of Hart family but they just can't resist that free plane ride and hotel accommodations if Bret gets another appearance request from WWE. it’s far beyond that. as someone else stated, Martha most likely had it in her conditions to appear that if the harts were a part of it then she wouldn’t be. this is by far the most feasible reasoning. she wasn’t going to let it turn into a he said/she said, she was going to control how her husband’s death was presented. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 16:11:03 GMT -5
I’m trying to get the Owen shirt(among other things) from pro wrestling tees, but their site is lagging badly due to the sale!
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Post by Darkhawk on May 21, 2020 20:49:54 GMT -5
Besides the Benoit and Owen hart documentaries I definitely enjoyed Season 1 a lot more, especially the Von Eric episode which was pretty sad but presented nice and organized.
I admit I did enjoy the New Jack Episode lol
Any word if they're doing Season 3? Wonder what other stories they'll cover.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 21:19:25 GMT -5
Hands down, the UWF/Herb Abrams episode was the best one this season.
Frickin’ wrestling version of ‘Tiger King’. Hahaha
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Post by rateddal on May 21, 2020 22:45:41 GMT -5
Besides the Benoit and Owen hart documentaries I definitely enjoyed Season 1 a lot more, especially the Von Eric episode which was pretty sad but presented nice and organized. I admit I did enjoy the New Jack Episode lol Any word if they're doing Season 3? Wonder what other stories they'll cover. Topics I've thought of but may or may not have enough material for are The Dynamite/Jacque Rougeau incident or the Bulldogs in general, the man the myth the legend of Haku, The Plane ride from hell, the rise and fall of Sunny, The Kliq, and no way it'd happen but Macho and Stephanie. |
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Post by buddyboy101 on May 21, 2020 22:57:52 GMT -5
Besides the Benoit and Owen hart documentaries I definitely enjoyed Season 1 a lot more, especially the Von Eric episode which was pretty sad but presented nice and organized. I admit I did enjoy the New Jack Episode lol Any word if they're doing Season 3? Wonder what other stories they'll cover. Topics I've thought of but may or may not have enough material for are The Dynamite/Jacque Rougeau incident or the Bulldogs in general, the man the myth the legend of Haku, The Plane ride from hell, the rise and fall of Sunny, The Kliq, and no way it'd happen but Macho and Stephanie. Plane Ride from Hell would be amazing. Bossman, Bulldog, Warrior, or Perfect would be interesting too. Thank God Scott Hall is not on that list, but would still love to see them tackle him. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on May 22, 2020 1:57:51 GMT -5
I think the reason why Bret didn't wanna be apart of the Owen episode is because he is bitter towards the people who produce and created Dark Side of the Ring. He said at a question and answer seminar during StarrCast that the documentary that came out about the Montreal Screw Job by them made himself look bad and wanted nothing to do with them now.
Bret loves Bret. Plain and simple. Honestly though... Owen had more charisma and was the better wrestler than Bret ever could be.
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Post by Gorilla on May 22, 2020 9:52:02 GMT -5
I think the reason why Bret didn't wanna be apart of the Owen episode is because he is bitter towards the people who produce and created Dark Side of the Ring. He said at a question and answer seminar during StarrCast that the documentary that came out about the Montreal Screw Job by them made himself look bad and wanted nothing to do with them now. Bret loves Bret. Plain and simple. Honestly though... Owen had more charisma and was the better wrestler than Bret ever could be. I don't agree with the last part. There is a real skill to selling moves on offense and defense. Owen was super talented, but there is a reason he didn't get over. Bret could wrestle small guys and large guys. His offense looked legit even though he was a little methodical and boring |
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Post by MKSavage on May 22, 2020 12:01:43 GMT -5
I think the reason why Bret didn't wanna be apart of the Owen episode is because he is bitter towards the people who produce and created Dark Side of the Ring. He said at a question and answer seminar during StarrCast that the documentary that came out about the Montreal Screw Job by them made himself look bad and wanted nothing to do with them now. Bret loves Bret. Plain and simple. Honestly though... Owen had more charisma and was the better wrestler than Bret ever could be. I don't agree with the last part. There is a real skill to selling moves on offense and defense. Owen was super talented, but there is a reason he didn't get over. Bret could wrestle small guys and large guys. His offense looked legit even though he was a little methodical and boring Agreed. Bret has some of the best matches in WWF history; vs Austin WM13, vs Perfect SSL91 & KOTR93, vs Bulldog SSL92, vs HBK SSE92 & WM12, vs Owen WM10 & SSL94, vs 123 Kid Raw94, vs Taker SSL97, not to mention great tag team matches. Owen Hart was a tremendous talent but its ridiculous to say that Bret wasn't. |
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Post by Grumpyoldman on May 22, 2020 12:18:29 GMT -5
Bonus Owen footage:
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on May 22, 2020 13:01:24 GMT -5
I liked Bret Hart as much as anyone. He was one of my top five favourite WWF superstars in the New Generation era. But I still think Owen was better than Bret.
Bret had amazing matches, yes. But so did Owen. Owen could do high flying, he could do technical, he could brawl, he had a better interview, he had more charisma. Bret was just seen as cool because he was around in the 80s in an era where wrestlers didn't look like him or wrestle like him. Once you get into the mid 90s you see that Bret was just as good as everyone else during that time. Guys like HBK surpassed Bret. HBK had a more entertaining match with Owen Hart at the February 96 In Your House than he did with Bret at Wrestlemania XII.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 14:03:12 GMT -5
I think the reason why Bret didn't wanna be apart of the Owen episode is because he is bitter towards the people who produce and created Dark Side of the Ring. He said at a question and answer seminar during StarrCast that the documentary that came out about the Montreal Screw Job by them made himself look bad and wanted nothing to do with them now. Bret loves Bret. Plain and simple. Honestly though... Owen had more charisma and was the better wrestler than Bret ever could be. Thing with Bret is as much as he loved Owen, he also loves his legacy. That’s why he buried the hatchet with wwe and that’s why he’s mad at the producers of Dark Side. I disagree that Owen was better. He wasn’t as passionate about wrestling as Bret and that’s why Bret became the bigger star. Owen liked to have fun and pulled ribs during matches(there’s a good book out there about Owen’s ribs) whearas Bret took it very seriously. |
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Post by MKSavage on May 22, 2020 15:26:41 GMT -5
I liked Bret Hart as much as anyone. He was one of my top five favourite WWF superstars in the New Generation era. But I still think Owen was better than Bret. Bret had amazing matches, yes. But so did Owen. Owen could do high flying, he could do technical, he could brawl, he had a better interview, he had more charisma. Bret was just seen as cool because he was around in the 80s in an era where wrestlers didn't look like him or wrestle like him. Once you get into the mid 90s you see that Bret was just as good as everyone else during that time. Guys like HBK surpassed Bret. HBK had a more entertaining match with Owen Hart at the February 96 In Your House than he did with Bret at Wrestlemania XII.
I would disagree with part of this, I don't think Bret was as good as everyone else in the WWF at the time, personally, Bret and Shawn were far better than everyone else at the time - in terms of match quality event after event. Shawn and Bret pretty much traded off match of the night from about 1994 to 1997 when Bret left the company. I don't recall anyone else in the WWF at that time surpassing Bret for best matches night after night. Your last point is more of an opinion than a fact, some people preferred the match at WM12 over the one you are referring to, others didn't, that doesn't really prove that Bret was surpassed by multiple wrestlers in terms of talent and ability. I think the people commenting aren't trying to argue that you think Owen is better than Bret, I think its more about your comment that Owen was better than Bret could ever hope to be, that kind of implies that Bret wasn't good/great. Either way, both Owen and Bret were great. |
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Post by PJ on May 22, 2020 16:07:12 GMT -5
Personally I think Bret was and always will be better than HBK. And I think he was better than the rest of the roster then as well including Owen. But while I thought he was entertaining I was never 100% sold on Owen. That said even Bret has said many times that Owen was the most talented of the family.
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Post by buddyboy101 on May 23, 2020 0:13:35 GMT -5
Bret may have been more talented in the ring, but HBK will always be more entertaining than Bret. Owen and Bret are tough to compare. They're in different leagues. I don't meant that as a slight to Owen at all, who was immensely entertaining and talented, but he was not a headliner like Bret/HBK.
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Post by wheeljack83 on May 23, 2020 1:59:45 GMT -5
Whoever you want to say is the best all comes down to a matter of opinion. According to WWE, John Cena is the greatest of all time.
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Post by wheeljack83 on May 23, 2020 2:08:05 GMT -5
Yup, and both their kids want nothing to do with the WWE or the wrestling business as well. I cant blame them. I remember a post a while back where someone said they couldnt wait for Martha to die because they hoped that his kids would let the WWE make money off of Owen. Some people are pathetic and  ed in the head. Some fans are just selfish. Yeah, some official WWE merch of Owen would be nice. Action figures would be nice. Documentaries all the bells and whistles. All that would be nice, but there are some things more important than just things. The man died. Martha Hart has no obligation to reconnect to WWE because the fans want Owen Hart acknowledged by WWE. Also, if anything, Dark Side of the Ring did Vince McMahon a favor by not including the longer clip of the press conference: |
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Post by Warriah' on May 23, 2020 4:11:38 GMT -5
I liked Bret Hart as much as anyone. He was one of my top five favourite WWF superstars in the New Generation era. But I still think Owen was better than Bret. Bret had amazing matches, yes. But so did Owen. Owen could do high flying, he could do technical, he could brawl, he had a better interview, he had more charisma. Bret was just seen as cool because he was around in the 80s in an era where wrestlers didn't look like him or wrestle like him. Once you get into the mid 90s you see that Bret was just as good as everyone else during that time. Guys like HBK surpassed Bret. HBK had a more entertaining match with Owen Hart at the February 96 In Your House than he did with Bret at Wrestlemania XII. I don't wanna get into the whole Bret vs Shawn thing, but Shawn vs Owen at In Your house absolutely pales in comparison to Bret vs Owen from Mania 10 or SS94. Bret had better matches with Diesel, Taker, Vader, Austin, Razor, Mr Perfect, Bigelow, Kid, Bulldog than Shawn or Owen ever had. Bret was pulling classics out of Hakushi and Jean-Pierre and giving the majority of his opponents the best matches of their careers, even as far back as tags. Shawn and Owen are some of the all time greatest workers but we shouldn't be pretending anyone was on Bret's level during the 90s or really during any other time. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 10:35:05 GMT -5
Does anyone know what the finish to the Blue Blazer vs Godfather match was going to be?
I have a feeling it was slated to be a corny, goofy, comic relief match to make Owen look like a fool, which just makes the whole stunt, match all the more upsetting.
The Hart’s didn’t deserve any of this.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on May 23, 2020 13:51:35 GMT -5
Does anyone know what the finish to the Blue Blazer vs Godfather match was going to be? I have a feeling it was slated to be a corny, goofy, comic relief match to make Owen look like a fool, which just makes the whole stunt, match all the more upsetting. The Hart’s didn’t deserve any of this. If I remember correctly, Owen was supposed to win the title that night. I could have sworn I heard the Godfather say that in a shoot interview years ago. |
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